HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Msakh]

The LCA program originated in the early 1980s. In 1983, the Government of India established the LCA project with the initial goal to develop a new light combat aircraft to replace the ageing IAF fighters, especially the MiG-21 variants, in March 2006 IAF order for 20 Tejas planes, which were delivered in 2016. Another order for 20 Tejas planes was placed in December 2010, which were delivered in 2020.

All additional orders after 2021 are in various phases of production and there is no promise for delivery before 2025. One of the Tejas planes from batch of 2016 crashed on March 12, 2024, near Jaisalmer. The pilot was successfully ejected but his parachute was not opened and he sustained injuries. There is a video appeared showing the pilot coming down with parachute but it is not coincided with the elevation of plane.

 

[Yasser76]

So much hurt burn over wishful thinking !!

No heart burn at all, that is at IAF HQ.

Literally 10 years ago we had people confidently predicting an IAF fleet around now consisiting of

100 SU-57s
114 Rafales
200 Tejas MK1A
100 Tejas MK2


Instead only 36 Rafales and 40 odd Tejas.

So yeah, cry harder

 

[kaku]

No heart burn at all, that is at IAF HQ.

Literally 10 years ago we had people confidently predicting an IAF fleet around now consisiting of

100 SU-57s
114 Rafales
200 Tejas MK1A
100 Tejas MK2


Instead only 36 Rafales and 40 odd Tejas.

So yeah, cry harder

10 years ago there was no program as Tejas Mk1A.

 

[Yasser76]

The best course of action for the IAF would be to abandon the MMRCA program and instead acquire Tejas MK1A and MK2 because even if the MMRCA deal were signed today, it would still take at least 10 years before the first aircraft is delivered to India.
Tejas MK1A is currently in mass production, they should order around 300 of these aircraft. Additionally, once Tejas MK2 enters production, the IAF can consider ordering over 200 of them to bolster its fleet.

"mass production"?

 

[Yasser76]

10 years ago there was no program as Tejas Mk1A.

Oh yeah, sorry thats right, you had to introduce a new variant to rectify the 40 odd faults in the original. My bad.

 

[GatlingGun]

Oh yeah, sorry thats right, you had to introduce a new variant to rectify the 40 odd faults in the original. My bad.

And Mk1 was still better than your blk2 configuration. Low wing loading ie. Good high altitude performance, Longevity of composite airframe, GE engine.

 

[Pataliputra]

"mass production"?

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If the production of 83 aircraft does not qualify as mass production, then what does?

 

[Oscar]

And Mk1 was still better than your blk2 configuration. Low wing loading ie. Good high altitude performance, Longevity of composite airframe, GE engine.

Lol - when all else fails start putting in fake comparisons.

Typical.

 

[GatlingGun]

Lol - when all else fails start putting in fake comparisons.

Typical.

You can point out if I said anything wrong.

 

[vikNerv]

No heart burn at all, that is at IAF HQ.

Literally 10 years ago we had people confidently predicting an IAF fleet around now consisiting of

100 SU-57s
114 Rafales
200 Tejas MK1A
100 Tejas MK2


Instead only 36 Rafales and 40 odd Tejas.

So yeah, cry harder

You should try harder, literally 10 years ago (2014) the su 57 was testing, it was introduced into Russian AF in 2020, you telling me Russia was going to deliver 100 su 57 in 4 years and people were bragging about it? Not even delusional people like you go so far.
10 years ago, the mk2 was set to come by 2022 (yes now its delayed) you are telling me people were delusional like you to say HAL and ADA would deliver 100 mk2 in 2 years from first flight?

10 years ago, there was no mk1a, but let us suppose there was one, the time line for mk1a was for the first flight to have on 2022, you are telling me there was someone saying we will have 200+ mk1a in 2 years?

10 years ago, the MRCA was not even signed but you claim someone was singing that we will have 114 Rafales in 10 years without a deal being signed?

If you are going to try to troll, put some effort and try to get some believeable numbers so some other delusional fool will believe it, but then again that might be too much to ask from you.

Literally no one was saying anything like what you posted, no one but you

 

[fulcrum]

The LCA program originated in the early 1980s. In 1983, the Government of India established the LCA project with the initial goal to develop a new light combat aircraft to replace the ageing IAF fighters, especially the MiG-21 variants, in March 2006 IAF order for 20 Tejas planes, which were delivered in 2016. Another order for 20 Tejas planes was placed in December 2010, which were delivered in 2020.

All additional orders after 2021 are in various phases of production and there is no promise for delivery before 2025. One of the Tejas planes from batch of 2016 crashed on March 12, 2024, near Jaisalmer. The pilot was successfully ejected but his parachute was not opened and he sustained injuries. There is a video appeared showing the pilot coming down with parachute but it is not coincided with the elevation of plane.

Fo you're knowledge lca program as idea might exists since 1983. But the first funding was given in 1987 that was some crores only not much it was to carry out study on designs and also paying for consultancy..
The funding of project got delayed because of indian going almost bankrupt in 1991. Still by 1993 project secured some funding made the first prototype in 1998 and finally in 2001, 1st January on the eve of new year it did it's first flight successfully..
Then indian airforce changed it requirements dozens of times it was supposed to be a 12 tons mtow aircraft today its 14.3 tons it has already flow with 14.3 to s of mtow successfully.
Some of changes took alot of time hence it got delayed and most important not to mention the shitloads of sanction which came on us after testing nuclear weapons. all of the foreign companies which were working with us left the project in the middle by 2007 sanctions were lifted still the companies which left the project never came. It has successfully completed its high altitude trial in 2008. Not having a nationalist government in 2004-2014 led this project to slow down by 2015 40 lca Tejas were ordered.. the naval version is helping in learning alot of knowledge and knowledge why regarding carrier landings. Earlier Tejas components were over weight over the years the weight has been reduced. Even the most overweight Tejas of initial days weighed 7.5 tons still less than jf17..

with the kind of avionics and EW it is getting it will be the best light combat aircraft. It's EW is GaN based. It's will be getting very capable GaN asked radar from 41st unit.. with 992 trms. It's liquid cooled radar.
the jf17 lacks liquid cooling and neither it has GaN based radar.. still as of now I haven't seen even a single picture of it with pl15..
tejas has gotten it's active self protection jammer pod weight 130 kg with connector. That too is GaN based. India has its own GaN facilities so no worries.. however Gallium nitride (GaN)costs shitloads of money just too expensive
anyone with basic understanding can understand the level of advantage GaN based radars have over Gallium Arsenide based ones..they are significantly more efficient can deliver more performance than GaAs radars with same electric power. They can operate at very high temperatures with liquid cooling the performance with 912 x band trms can be quite long.
the engine is obviously better and major things to look is Russian engines often lack electric power output it is not as much as western engines have.. that could be reason why Pakis had not gone for liquid cooling.. and instead went with air cooling.
Tejas with astra mk2 & solid fuel ducted ramjet astra mk3 will be an absolute beast the GaN uttam radar will be enough to exploit range of astra mk3 SFDR..
the RCS is obviously very low of Tejas as it uses 90% composites on surface. And has not exposed engines from intakes.. and atleast it doesn't produce smoke. Which does compromise IR signature too.

 

[fulcrum]

There is a video appeared showing the pilot coming down with parachute but it is not coincided with the elevation of plane

Yes and it was some testing and you can see it on drdo website forgot the test name but it was supposed to turn on the engine in mid flight something like Recovery from engine stall and starting engine mid-flight i think a youtuber called defence Decode has made a video about it you can search
Watch this video from 2:30 minutes it was spin recovery tests.

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[fulcrum]

All additional orders after 2021 are in various phases of production and there is no promise for delivery before 2025.

First Tejas did it's first flight it is getting some new softwares. Will be delivered with in 2 month second is out of production line and will perform first flight soon.
If 2 aircrafts are out of assembly it means other are being assembled. So yeah it will not take 2025

One of the Tejas planes from batch of 2016 crashed on March 12, 2024, near Jaisalmer. The pilot was successfully ejected but his parachute was not opened and he sustained injuries.

As of now 7 or 8 jf17s have crashed and Wikipedia reports 5 of them u can read abt it. It even crashed just after 2-3 years of operationalising it in 2011.. at that time won't be much of jf17 flying.
Atleast Tejas served for 8.years without crash.
And who said the parachute didn't opened.
Watch this and every pilot suffers some pain during ejection because the body goes through 22G. I'm sure all pilots will just rest were they have elected so did the this pilot did..

 

[Yasser76]

And Mk1 was still better than your blk2 configuration. Low wing loading ie. Good high altitude performance, Longevity of composite airframe, GE engine.

Yes, so better it is still not in frontline service at scale, Blk 2 is with 8 squadrons, bombed India, shot down an Iranian drone and been exported, but sure go on about the low wing loading. That attitude sums up Indian domestic procurement

 

[GatlingGun]

Yes, so better it is still not in frontline service at scale, Blk 2 is with 8 squadrons, bombed India, shot down an Iranian drone and been exported, but sure go on about the low wing loading. That attitude sums up Indian domestic procurement

Wow you shot down drone with zero defence or offence mechanism, and you lobbed a bomb while flying within your own territory. Bravo kudos have a cookie.