HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

You should try harder, literally 10 years ago (2014) the su 57 was testing, it was introduced into Russian AF in 2020, you telling me Russia was going to deliver 100 su 57 in 4 years and people were bragging about it? Not even delusional people like you go so far.
10 years ago, the mk2 was set to come by 2022 (yes now its delayed) you are telling me people were delusional like you to say HAL and ADA would deliver 100 mk2 in 2 years from first flight?

10 years ago, there was no mk1a, but let us suppose there was one, the time line for mk1a was for the first flight to have on 2022, you are telling me there was someone saying we will have 200+ mk1a in 2 years?

10 years ago, the MRCA was not even signed but you claim someone was singing that we will have 114 Rafales in 10 years without a deal being signed?

If you are going to try to troll, put some effort and try to get some believeable numbers so some other delusional fool will believe it, but then again that might be too much to ask from you.

Literally no one was saying anything like what you posted, no one but you

Tragically for you it is all online for people to see. The jist of what I am getting at is for years, it has been bragging about what the IAF will induct (5 years ago 2 more Phalcons were apparently "ordered" but have now disappared, first stealth AEW planes, well done!).

As of right now IAF fighter procurement stands in total disarray, anyone can see that and even the fanboys who have been boasting for years now can see the emperor has no clothes. The realistic time to induct even ONE NEW SQUADRON is now about 2-3 years.

No new foreign fighters, MK1A will not be delivered in meaningful numbers till around 2027. People who know the modern history of the IAF (which I assume you do) can tell you this is the first time ever it has gone through such a period with no induction of new fighters. Any large air force needs new fighters to gradually replace older airframes when they reach their service lives or become obsolete. That has not happened so what you are seeing now is block obsolesence. Entire fleets unless all upgraded at once or all replaced at once will become obsolete as there has been no gradual and constant induction of new planes. That is a very very simple fact.
 
Wow you shot down drone with zero defence or offence mechanism, and you lobbed a bomb while flying within your own territory. Bravo kudos have a cookie.🍪

Mock as much as you want, it's like the dumb kid at school who dropped out laughing at people who got a B instead of a A. JF-17 has acheived much more then Tejas in operations, numbers and now with Blk 3, capability.
 
Tragically for you it is all online for people to see. The jist of what I am getting at is for years, it has been bragging about what the IAF will induct (5 years ago 2 more Phalcons were apparently "ordered" but have now disappared, first stealth AEW planes, well done!).

As of right now IAF fighter procurement stands in total disarray, anyone can see that and even the fanboys who have been boasting for years now can see the emperor has no clothes. The realistic time to induct even ONE NEW SQUADRON is now about 2-3 years.

No new foreign fighters, MK1A will not be delivered in meaningful numbers till around 2027. People who know the modern history of the IAF (which I assume you do) can tell you this is the first time ever it has gone through such a period with no induction of new fighters. Any large air force needs new fighters to gradually replace older airframes when they reach their service lives or become obsolete. That has not happened so what you are seeing now is block obsolesence. Entire fleets unless all upgraded at once or all replaced at once will become obsolete as there has been no gradual and constant induction of new planes. That is a very very simple fact.
I am talking about the fighter numbers you pulled out of some hole. Its not online, never was, the timelines for all 4 programs (FGFA, tejas mk1a, mk2, Rafales) are all online, they have been revised but never have they mentioned anything close to what you claim as of 2014. So try again.

Falling fighter numbers is a concern, cant speak about it now, i have little knowledge about IAF plans other than that they are hedging their bets with the tejas (smart plan) but there are fears for AMCA (either delayed timeline becuase of shifting goal posts by IAF or seeking foreign 5th gen planes).

As for Phalcon, i have no knowledge, but while IAFs attitude towards AEW aircraft has been disappointing, the news about Netra mk1a and mk2 is heartening. But need more confirmation about the project before commenting further.
 

India's Uttam AESA Radar Is Close To Clearing A Major Milestone — Here's The Lowdown​

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India’s indigenously developed Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Uttam radar is nearing of completion of its flight trials.

In an interview with Anantha Krishnan M of Tarmak Media House, ADA Director Dr Jitendra Jadhav disclosed that the Uttam radar has been successfully integrated into the Tejas Mk-1 jet.

Having undergone more than 125 flight tests, including both Air-to-Air (A2A) and Air-to-Ground (A2G) modes, the radar has showcased performance equivalent to or greater than the Israeli Elta 2052 AESA radar across almost all parameters.

Dr Jadhav says, "We have integrated the Uttam radar with Tejas Mk-1 and completed 125 flights. We have completed the A2A and A2G performance and other features [of the radar]," adding that "a few of the flight tests are pending which will be conducted shortly, but today, as a radar, it is functioning on par with imported radars, and in some areas, it performs much better than imported radars."

In fact, according to the ADA director, the radar has been cleared for hardware production as well.

He says, "We have already given the hardware clearance for production. The production can now proceed concurrently till we finish some tests which are pending, and then hopefully, we are expecting that by the 41st aircraft, the Uttam radar will be integrated into the MK-1A."

The Israeli Elta 2052 AESA radar will be installed on the first 40 Tejas Mk-1A serially produced jets.

The remaining 43 Tejas Mk-1A jets will feature the indigenously developed Uttam AESA radar, propelling India into the select group of nations that have mastered this technology, including the US, UK, France, Russia, China, Germany, Italy, Israel, and Japan.

AESA radars are modern radars that, instead of using a single antenna dish in a mechanically steered radar, contain hundreds or thousands of small transmitter/receiver modules (TRMs) that are electronically controlled.

Their electronic control makes these radars more precise, gives it increased range, and less prone to failure.

Unlike radars using mechanically steered antennas, which rely on machinery to rotate and change the orientation of the antenna, AESA radars electronically steer the radar beam, removing any moving parts and making them more reliable.

These TRMs, in comparison to a single antenna to transmit and receive signals, can operate on independent frequencies, enabling the radar to perform multiple tasks simultaneously, such as searching for targets in the air while tracking multiple targets.

Each TRM can modulate its power levels to focus energy more efficiently, resulting in better target tracking.

Since each TRM can operate on different frequencies, the radar can conduct frequency-hopping to avoid radar jamming while simultaneously jamming enemy radars, enhancing the jet's electronic counter-countermeasures capability (ECCM).

Moreover, the ability of TRMs to operate at different frequencies allows the radar to operate in a low-probability of intercept (LPI) mode.

Typically, when any radar operates, the energy of the radar signal is detected by precise receivers called radar warning receivers (RWRs), which can detect and identify the presence of the radar (and, hence the fighter jet carrying the radar) in a given area, alerting the enemy.

These RWRs can even precisely identify the location of the radar emissions (hence the jet) making it vulnerable to potential reprisals.

Due to the frequency-hopping ability of the TRMs of the AESA radar operating in LPI mode, it becomes much harder to detect the presence of the radar by enemy RWR sensors.

The current Uttam radar is supposed to use TRM modules made of Gallium Arsenide (GaAs). Another, more advanced version using TRMs made of new Gallium Nitride (GaN) is under development and is intended for use on the LCA Mk-2 jet, 5th generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), and potentially even on the Su-30 MKI upgrade.

The GaN TRM-based AESA radars are more efficient and have increased detection range, to the tune of 20 to 25 percent.

With the new Uttam AESA radar nearing completion of testing and the advanced GaN variant under development, most of the Indian Air Force's fighter jets will sport Indian-made radars in the near future
 
I am talking about the fighter numbers you pulled out of some hole. Its not online, never was, the timelines for all 4 programs (FGFA, tejas mk1a, mk2, Rafales) are all online, they have been revised but never have they mentioned anything close to what you claim as of 2014. So try again.

Falling fighter numbers is a concern, cant speak about it now, i have little knowledge about IAF plans other than that they are hedging their bets with the tejas (smart plan) but there are fears for AMCA (either delayed timeline becuase of shifting goal posts by IAF or seeking foreign 5th gen planes).

As for Phalcon, i have no knowledge, but while IAFs attitude towards AEW aircraft has been disappointing, the news about Netra mk1a and mk2 is heartening. But need more confirmation about the project before commenting further.

Read my posts properly before you answer, will make you look less foolish. I clearly stated it was members here who indulged in false claims, as for the timelines, HAL ensures they are never met anyway.

Regarding the extra Phalcons, the below post was from 4 years ago and these aircraft were never ordered, so you can forgive us all if we are sceptical of the many plans the IAF insist will come to fruition....

 
Read my posts properly before you answer, will make you look less foolish. I clearly stated it was members here who indulged in false claims, as for the timelines, HAL ensures they are never met anyway.

Regarding the extra Phalcons, the below post was from 4 years ago and these aircraft were never ordered, so you can forgive us all if we are sceptical of the many plans the IAF insist will come to fruition....



Yasser
Tall claims about mass induction of fighters is on both sides
Just go and see the Pakistani thread apparently j31 is coming to Pak air force very soon ...some one thinks two three years
Another posted 90 j10 and j31 and kaan front turkey by 2030

The difference is this Tejas is here in Aesa format with Indian bvrs Ew suites the works
Tejas mark 2 is rolling out next year prototype
Amca funds cleared for development...2 billion dollars .

The eco system is there but I get your reservations about time scales

The issue is not Pakistan they are can't threaten India never will ...
The issue is China they are growing at alarming rate and India can not check this no way..
 
Yasser
Tall claims about mass induction of fighters is on both sides
Just go and see the Pakistani thread apparently j31 is coming to Pak air force very soon ...some one thinks two three years
Another posted 90 j10 and j31 and kaan front turkey by 2030

The difference is this Tejas is here in Aesa format with Indian bvrs Ew suites the works
Tejas mark 2 is rolling out next year prototype
Amca funds cleared for development...2 billion dollars .

The eco system is there but I get your reservations about time scales

The issue is not Pakistan they are can't threaten India never will ...
The issue is China they are growing at alarming rate and India can not check this no way..

When it comes to Pakistani production and induction the PR has been almost the complete opposite of India's, very hard to compare. Mainly due to military secrecy production rates and inductions are never talked about until literally the planes are on the tarmac and entering service. We saw this with Block II JF-17 and J-10E. No one in the Pakistani press or military has mentioned any numbers for any induction dates for J-31, it will just happen. Compare this to every Tejas test flight or new aircraft resulting in activation of Indian multimedia circus for days

Boast all you like about Tejas and AMCA, but Indians been doing that for years on here. Best keep quiet and let acheivements speak for themselves. Empty vessels creak the loudest....
 
Read my posts properly before you answer, will make you look less foolish. I clearly stated it was members here who indulged in false claims, as for the timelines, HAL ensures they are never met anyway.

Regarding the extra Phalcons, the below post was from 4 years ago and these aircraft were never ordered, so you can forgive us all if we are sceptical of the many plans the IAF insist will come to fruition....

And who has been parroting those numbers? Which delusional fool said we would have 100 su 57 by 2024? Again, no one ever did. The only numbers close to what you claim would have been tejas if it wasnt so delayed. Again, at no point during 2014 were there any indications of fighter aircraft being inducted in even half the numbers you say "some Indians here" were claiming to have. When there are official timelines being provided and none of them point to these numbers, why would anyone claim otherwise? So stop trying to convince us about a narrative that never existed anywhere but in your head.
No one claimed those numbers, not here not anywhere, the one making flase claims is you, about Indians making false claims. Talk about double feints, this one is right up there.
 
Their is a likelihood that Indian Navy will induct a small number of Twin seat Naval Tejas for carrier Take off and Landing training

That makes sense. I always advocate for making 2-seat variants of the same type of aircraft a must and better than say a separate make for a trainer. It just makes so much more sense and is ultimately better as a smoother transition, especially for cadets, green fresh out of the academy.

Our current fleet of 6 Mig29KUB are not enough
And we also don't know whether the 4 Rafale Bs which the navy is buying along with 22 RAFALE Ms are going to be carrier capable.

Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute, my friend. What do you mean by "6 MiG-29KUB"? I'm trying to figure out if by "6" you mean 6 squadrons which sounds a bit too much considering the average squadron is 12 aircraft so that would mean a total of 72 which I don't think the IN has that many.

As far as I know (which is only as an outside fan looking in and by no means am I an expert in IAF/IN number of aircraft lol) is that there is a total of 45 MiG-29Ks in the IN. Are you saying that out of those 45 Ks, there are 6 KUBs? Or am I missing something?

And we also don't know whether the 4 Rafale Bs which the navy is buying along with 22 RAFALE Ms are going to be carrier capable.

Now that makes sense and is interesting that they would buy 4 Bs (2-seaters) and the other 22 are single-seat Ms which I would think they would do the opposite and load up more in the Bs than the Ms considering the IAF is usually much more interested in the dual-seat fighter configuration for almost all its fighters. The FGFA being the prime example of that line of thinking. Interesting.

I won't be surprised if the Navy decides to order 12-18 Naval Tejas Trainer , so as to reduce the load on its limited units of Twin seat Mig29KUB and Rafale Bs

So that brings us back almost full circle to the MiG-29KUB count. If you're saying there is a limited number of the naval 29s, I still find it hard to believe there's only 6 of them! lol. I must be confusing & missing something.

But it's also a testament to the rise of the Tejas and how it's impacting the numbers. Now if it only was in a dual engine configuration, there might not be any need for the MiGs or Rafales, despite the latter's technological prowess.

I also think that had the Tejas been a dual-engine LCA, it would've won the recent Egyptian tender for a light combat aircraft with local production and the whole kicking kabutle. I was really rooting for it because of obvious reasons but they ended up going with the South Korean KAI-T-50 Golden Eagle. It's not bad at all, but too much US influence that the Tejas IMO would've been an all-around better option.

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I think the number of aircraft the EAF wanted was too low for HAL to consider providing a contract with ToT and that makes all the sense in the world. Business is business and if it's not worth it, it's not worth it. Simple but too bad.

I also think with the strong possibility of a Eurofighter Typhoon contract being signed in the next few month for 24 jets, the EAF will be drowning in delta-winged fighters. Between the 54 Rafales, 15 Mirage 2Ks, 24 EFTs (countless Mirage Vs that we're not sure have been retired or not) and an additional 24-30 Tejas loool. Delta wing heaven!

Speaking of the Indian Navy and Rafale Ms & Bs, there are vicious rumors floating around in Egypt that the EN is interested in purchasing the Charles De Gaul carrier along with 24 Rafale Ms loooool. I think we've gone mental TBH. If that ever came to fruition, I'm retiring from aviation fandom and just gonna sit on my worn-out recliner and watch TV for the rest of my life lmao. :D

R-73E are somewhat long in the tooth compared to the state of the art WVRAAMs like the ASRAAM, Python V and IRIS-T. Older tech seeker and recently during one of the IAF firepower exercises, a Tejas Mk1 fired a R-73E at a drone and it sailed right past it, without detonating the warhead.

While a fighter is a bigger target and will almost certainly the radio proximity fuse will go off, it was alarming to see it miss the drone that it was able to get within a couple of meters of.

Plus the ASRAAM is more aerodynamic, without any fins that add to the drag of the platform carrying it. It also has a larger motor and a longer range of >25 kms and a more modern focal plane array IIR seeker. It is also lighter by 18 kgs than the R-73E.

With the Tejas Mk1A, the ASRAAM is the only WVRAAM that will allow carriage of 2 CCMs plus the ASPJ. If the R-73E is used, then the dual rack pylon isn't going to work.

Makes a lot of sense. I kinda figured it was something along those lines but I never knew about the failed testing story. I'm not surprised TBH as that's not an unfamiliar scenario with Russian A2A missiles. The R-77 also has a troubled history of testing stories that are similar to that of this R-73E you mentioned. It's a shame, really, since Russia could really use a boost in the reputation of its weapons systems as well as other air forces being able to have other options.

I'm hoping that with the introduction of the R-74, R-77-1 and especially the R-37M that there is a whole new success level that promotes Russian A2A missiles into a better and competitive light, especially when it has to deal with western systems that are only getting better & better and moving to the top of the list. Between the AIM-120C7/D, AIM-260, AIM-9X, IRST-SL, MBDA's MICA NG and of course the vaunted Meteor, Russia has its work cut out for it if wishes to keep playing with the big boys.

BTW, are there any pics of Indian Rafales carrying the Meteor that you know of? I've been looking for one and can't seem to find any.
 
Tejas MK1A stands out in the IAF fleet as the only fighter jet, besides Rafales, equipped with an AESA Radar right from the start. Despite potential delays, the MK2 will still be completed much sooner than the MMRCA program. As a result, it's likely that the MMRCA will be scrapped, and the IAF will opt to acquire approximately 600 units of Tejas MK1A and MK2.
 
That makes sense. I always advocate for making 2-seat variants of the same type of aircraft a must and better than say a separate make for a trainer. It just makes so much more sense and is ultimately better as a smoother transition, especially for cadets, green fresh out of the academy.



Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute, my friend. What do you mean by "6 MiG-29KUB"? I'm trying to figure out if by "6" you mean 6 squadrons which sounds a bit too much considering the average squadron is 12 aircraft so that would mean a total of 72 which I don't think the IN has that many.

As far as I know (which is only as an outside fan looking in and by no means am I an expert in IAF/IN number of aircraft lol) is that there is a total of 45 MiG-29Ks in the IN. Are you saying that out of those 45 Ks, there are 6 KUBs? Or am I missing something?



Now that makes sense and is interesting that they would buy 4 Bs (2-seaters) and the other 22 are single-seat Ms which I would think they would do the opposite and load up more in the Bs than the Ms considering the IAF is usually much more interested in the dual-seat fighter configuration for almost all its fighters. The FGFA being the prime example of that line of thinking. Interesting.



So that brings us back almost full circle to the MiG-29KUB count. If you're saying there is a limited number of the naval 29s, I still find it hard to believe there's only 6 of them! lol. I must be confusing & missing something.

But it's also a testament to the rise of the Tejas and how it's impacting the numbers. Now if it only was in a dual engine configuration, there might not be any need for the MiGs or Rafales, despite the latter's technological prowess.

I also think that had the Tejas been a dual-engine LCA, it would've won the recent Egyptian tender for a light combat aircraft with local production and the whole kicking kabutle. I was really rooting for it because of obvious reasons but they ended up going with the South Korean KAI-T-50 Golden Eagle. It's not bad at all, but too much US influence that the Tejas IMO would've been an all-around better option.

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I think the number of aircraft the EAF wanted was too low for HAL to consider providing a contract with ToT and that makes all the sense in the world. Business is business and if it's not worth it, it's not worth it. Simple but too bad.

I also think with the strong possibility of a Eurofighter Typhoon contract being signed in the next few month for 24 jets, the EAF will be drowning in delta-winged fighters. Between the 54 Rafales, 15 Mirage 2Ks, 24 EFTs (countless Mirage Vs that we're not sure have been retired or not) and an additional 24-30 Tejas loool. Delta wing heaven!

Speaking of the Indian Navy and Rafale Ms & Bs, there are vicious rumors floating around in Egypt that the EN is interested in purchasing the Charles De Gaul carrier along with 24 Rafale Ms loooool. I think we've gone mental TBH. If that ever came to fruition, I'm retiring from aviation fandom and just gonna sit on my worn-out recliner and watch TV for the rest of my life lmao. :D



Makes a lot of sense. I kinda figured it was something along those lines but I never knew about the failed testing story. I'm not surprised TBH as that's not an unfamiliar scenario with Russian A2A missiles. The R-77 also has a troubled history of testing stories that are similar to that of this R-73E you mentioned. It's a shame, really, since Russia could really use a boost in the reputation of its weapons systems as well as other air forces being able to have other options.

I'm hoping that with the introduction of the R-74, R-77-1 and especially the R-37M that there is a whole new success level that promotes Russian A2A missiles into a better and competitive light, especially when it has to deal with western systems that are only getting better & better and moving to the top of the list. Between the AIM-120C7/D, AIM-260, AIM-9X, IRST-SL, MBDA's MICA NG and of course the vaunted Meteor, Russia has its work cut out for it if wishes to keep playing with the big boys.

BTW, are there any pics of Indian Rafales carrying the Meteor that you know of? I've been looking for one and can't seem to find any.
Cant comment on the rest of your post, but according to wiki its either 4 or 8 KUB fighter trainers in IN
 
Tejas MK1A stands out in the IAF fleet as the only fighter jet, besides Rafales, equipped with an AESA Radar right from the start. Despite potential delays, the MK2 will still be completed much sooner than the MMRCA program. As a result, it's likely that the MMRCA will be scrapped, and the IAF will opt to acquire approximately 600 units of Tejas MK1A and MK2.
600 over the lifetime (50+ years) of the program seems feasible as long as babus and import lobby dont get in the way. That said, dont think India will ever have 600 lca at a single time
 
That makes sense. I always advocate for making 2-seat variants of the same type of aircraft a must and better than say a separate make for a trainer. It just makes so much more sense and is ultimately better as a smoother transition, especially for cadets, green fresh out of the academy.



Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute, my friend. What do you mean by "6 MiG-29KUB"? I'm trying to figure out if by "6" you mean 6 squadrons which sounds a bit too much considering the average squadron is 12 aircraft so that would mean a total of 72 which I don't think the IN has that many.

As far as I know (which is only as an outside fan looking in and by no means am I an expert in IAF/IN number of aircraft lol) is that there is a total of 45 MiG-29Ks in the IN. Are you saying that out of those 45 Ks, there are 6 KUBs? Or am I missing something?



Now that makes sense and is interesting that they would buy 4 Bs (2-seaters) and the other 22 are single-seat Ms which I would think they would do the opposite and load up more in the Bs than the Ms considering the IAF is usually much more interested in the dual-seat fighter configuration for almost all its fighters. The FGFA being the prime example of that line of thinking. Interesting.



So that brings us back almost full circle to the MiG-29KUB count. If you're saying there is a limited number of the naval 29s, I still find it hard to believe there's only 6 of them! lol. I must be confusing & missing something.

But it's also a testament to the rise of the Tejas and how it's impacting the numbers. Now if it only was in a dual engine configuration, there might not be any need for the MiGs or Rafales, despite the latter's technological prowess.

I also think that had the Tejas been a dual-engine LCA, it would've won the recent Egyptian tender for a light combat aircraft with local production and the whole kicking kabutle. I was really rooting for it because of obvious reasons but they ended up going with the South Korean KAI-T-50 Golden Eagle. It's not bad at all, but too much US influence that the Tejas IMO would've been an all-around better option.

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I think the number of aircraft the EAF wanted was too low for HAL to consider providing a contract with ToT and that makes all the sense in the world. Business is business and if it's not worth it, it's not worth it. Simple but too bad.

I also think with the strong possibility of a Eurofighter Typhoon contract being signed in the next few month for 24 jets, the EAF will be drowning in delta-winged fighters. Between the 54 Rafales, 15 Mirage 2Ks, 24 EFTs (countless Mirage Vs that we're not sure have been retired or not) and an additional 24-30 Tejas loool. Delta wing heaven!

Speaking of the Indian Navy and Rafale Ms & Bs, there are vicious rumors floating around in Egypt that the EN is interested in purchasing the Charles De Gaul carrier along with 24 Rafale Ms loooool. I think we've gone mental TBH. If that ever came to fruition, I'm retiring from aviation fandom and just gonna sit on my worn-out recliner and watch TV for the rest of my life lmao. :D



Makes a lot of sense. I kinda figured it was something along those lines but I never knew about the failed testing story. I'm not surprised TBH as that's not an unfamiliar scenario with Russian A2A missiles. The R-77 also has a troubled history of testing stories that are similar to that of this R-73E you mentioned. It's a shame, really, since Russia could really use a boost in the reputation of its weapons systems as well as other air forces being able to have other options.

I'm hoping that with the introduction of the R-74, R-77-1 and especially the R-37M that there is a whole new success level that promotes Russian A2A missiles into a better and competitive light, especially when it has to deal with western systems that are only getting better & better and moving to the top of the list. Between the AIM-120C7/D, AIM-260, AIM-9X, IRST-SL, MBDA's MICA NG and of course the vaunted Meteor, Russia has its work cut out for it if wishes to keep playing with the big boys.

BTW, are there any pics of Indian Rafales carrying the Meteor that you know of? I've been looking for one and can't seem to find any.

Indian navy has a total of 41 Mig29s
35 are single seat Mig29K and 6 are Twin seat Mig29KUB

Both variants are carrier capable

Indian navy needs to train around 80 fighter pilots for it's two CBG

6 MIG29KUB and 4 Rafale Bs are not enough

Hence I expect them to order 12-18 units of twinseat Tejas Navy for carrier bourne Operations training
 
600 over the lifetime (50+ years) of the program seems feasible as long as babus and import lobby dont get in the way. That said, dont think India will ever have 600 lca at a single time

It's unlikely to cross 400
Total LCA numbers being discussed hover between 324-400 for IAF and another 12-18 Tejas N Trainers for the Navy

The lower end ie 324 units actually indicate that IAF might retire it's 16 IOC Tejas MK1 early, ie after they get sufficient number of Mk1A fighters in service.

This is because , Their is not much upgrades we can apply to these airframes due to design restrictions
And they are about at par with our Mirage 2000 Dash5 as far as tech is concerned
Considering the fact that Mirage 2000 are set for retirement around 2035

So it's quite possible that IAF will phase out 16 Tejas IOC aircrafts after that, or possibly sell them to a friendly country like Philippines , Sri Lanka or Bangladesh
 

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