Tamerlane
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Maybe it’s better if the Palestinians leave, not just from Gaza but the West Bank as well. Then, when the final conflict comes we don’t have to worry about killing Muslims.
Iran launches Operation True Promise - massive missile/drone strikes across Israel, Israel allegedly responds with quadcopters
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Maybe it’s better if the Palestinians leave, not just from Gaza but the West Bank as well. Then, when the final conflict comes we don’t have to worry about killing Muslims.
Hopefully Pessimistic
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The moment this happens, everyone will normalise ties with Israel and talk of peace, leaving the past behind. No one will have the energy to continue war with a nuclear state with the backing of a superpower and international financers.
It is only the sympathy for the dying Palestinians that keeps the cause alive.
PakAl
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The problem is if Palestinians leave Gaza and WestBank and move to Jordan, will Israel stop its expansion. I highly doubt it. They want greater Israel and will create an issue to invade and annex more land.
Iran is playing in to Israeli hand, Israel wants an Iranian response so they can then claim to be a victim again, if Iran attacks, Israel will respond, they are not scared because their child Nato will back Israel. Iran best response should be to make Syria, Hizbollah, Iraq and Yemen strong enough to deal with Israel and defend their territories, possibly retake Golan Heights to show their real power. Look at Israel, its backers made it strong enough to challenge all surrounded nations, its shows the power of Nato. I understand its not just Iran responsibility but the whole Muslim nations but what can we do when we have cowards as leadership.
PakAl
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The Arab GCC are economy and military powerful but are dreaming of recognising Israel. This is the biggest problem. Countries like Turkey, Iran and Pakistan are outsiders, if the Arabs themselves want to give land away and jump in bed with the Zionist then others can't do much.
Hopefully Pessimistic
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I don't think Israel will expand further into legal neighbouring territory. This is fear mongering.
The fact though is if the Palestinians become refugees in foreign lands, Israel will complete the Palestinian colonisation and the war will eventually be settled. It will talk of peace, putting their past behind and going forward, the Muslim world starting with gulfies will follow. People will forget mostly about Israeli past like they did with Japanese.
I feel an Iranian regime change coming soon.
Dalit
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This conflict has exposed many things. We always knew that Islamic countries had coward leaders. We didn't know the depth of cowardice. Now we know how deeply coward and flawed these rulers are.
Dalit
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Abraham Accords are a formality.
Hopefully Pessimistic
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Most importantly, the Arabs.
Once the Arabs give up on the cause, third parties getting involved makes them look like wannabes and desparates when even Arabs don't care. And they are too far away for it to matter.
This is a conflict that will end with a bang very fast, in favour of Israel.
The target is Iran's nuclear infrastructure and regime.
PakAl
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If Pakistan Iran Turkey send 1M troops to Gaza and WestBank, I guarantee the Arabs will say we are being invaded by foreigners, the Persians are here, the Turks are here. The 1M army will be trapped. The surrounding Muslim states must stop their relation with the zionist Israel, introduce complete boycott, increase pressure on them, form a joint force with all Muslim states and enter Gaza and WestBank which is Arab territory, the war will become a stalemate, Palestinians will not be killed anymore, they can live in Gaza and WestBank peacefully until Israel and USA is willing to come to the negotiation table.
They definitely want to weaken Iran, and they have full capability to do it, even Russia is struggling so what chance does Iran have, even if Pakistan Iran and Turkey get together, they will struggle against Nato.
Shadihassan28
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I wouldn’t say economically or militarily powerful, most are highly dependent on oil and even as hard as they try to diversify they’re still heavily dependent and if oil came crashing down their economies would start collapsing, see how fast America turns away from them than. Military wise having a bunch of shiny toys doesn’t mean you’re strong either if you don’t have the will to use them other than on your own people. I said this about the GCC but to be fair this can be said about most of the Muslim world, we can be othe too definitely but infighting will keep us down.
Dalit
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You are one of the very few talking sense and actually offering some form of a solution. Often the question is raised, what can we do? Islamic countries can do a lot of damage without firing a single bullet. The problem is that our leaders are part of the cabal. Islamic countries have tainted leaders that are sellouts.
Dalit
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We still don't know what Iran is.
maverick
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The answer is simple, No! Israel, will never stop conquering the land which they want from Nile to you for Euphrates. this is just the beginning. It will be a perpetual war, and it would not stop till some major catastrophe place in the world
Hopefully Pessimistic
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Israel will stop after Palestine. We have no reason to believe otherwise.
They diplomatically won't be able to justify Colonising more land and there'll be no excuses.
We haven't even seen any propaganda groundwork or official claims.
PakAl
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The problem is wider than the leadership, the ummah is busy after the dunya, lying, betraying, backbiting, killing, corruption is in high numbers, not giving neighbours rights, exploiting the weak. You should read on the Islamic opinion on how the end of times will be, what will the people be doing and leadership, why will we be weak even though in huge numbers of 2Billion.
I dont want to start religious discussion but just want to share a view hadiths regarding our current situation.
Thawban reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Soon the nations will be summoned to you just like one is invited to a feast.” It was said, “Will we be few in that day?” The Prophet said, “No, rather you will be many in that day, but you will be scum like such flowing down a torrent. Allah will remove your esteem from the chests of your enemies, and Allah will insert feebleness in your own hearts.” It was said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is this feebleness?” The Prophet said, “Love for the worldly life and hatred of death.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4297
Narrated 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "Near the establishment of the Hour, there will be the days of Al-Harj, and the religious knowledge will be taken away (vanish i.e. by the death of Religious scholars) and general ignorance will spread." Abu Musa said, "Al-Harj, in the Ethiopian language, means killing," Ibn Mas'ud added: I heard Allah's Apostle saying; (It will be) from among the most wicked people who will be living at the time when the Hour will be established."
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 9, Book 88, Number 187:
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