Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[HRK]

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From old posts of the deterrent.

We have pictorial evidence warhead thrusters on both S-II & S-III, same issue was discussed on old PDF I think 7 or 8 years back.

 

[Taimoor]

There is no logic in mentioning nuclear tech in a comparison between missile technology.

Iran has poured a significant amount of time and resources into its missile programs because it forms the backbone of its deterrence - in essence you can consider it their symbolic nuclear weapons.

Pakistani and Iranian missiles are somewhat similar and it's possible that Iran is actually ahead given their HGV claim and visible MaRV warheads

Rather silly comment. A nuclear power by logic, will have far superior missiles because they are the means of delivery of the deterrence as oppose to the other nation which use it only for conventional war.

This was way back in 2011

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The Washington Post reported on Monday that Pakistan has quietly become the world's fifth largest nuclear power, surpassing both Britain and France. Many nuclear weapons experts worry about what a nuclear arms race between Pakistan, India and others could mean for regional security.

in 2016:

https://carnegieendowment.org/2016/06/30/pakistan-s-nuclear-force-structure-in-2025-pub-63912

Alarmists estimate that by 2025, Pakistan will become the third-largest nuclear weapon power, leapfrogging ahead of France, China, and the United Kingdom, behind only the United States and Russia


Add to this mix, the open admission of having battlefield miniaturised tactical nukes.


If you use "the logic" you will understand what is being said. You cant have all this fire power at your disposal and not have credible, superior and reliable delivery system.

 

[Bilal]

We have pictorial evidence warhead thrusters on both S-II & S-III, same issue was discussed on old PDF I think 7 or 8 years back.

And on ghauri. The “crash” that happened in Dadu was a PBV:

American PBV:



Ghauri:

 

[falcon34]

We have pictorial evidence warhead thrusters on both S-II & S-III, same issue was discussed on old PDF I think 7 or 8 years back.

can u kindly elaborate how the thrusters on warhead would impact on warheads trajectory changes?.

 

[Taimoor]

You can’t compare American technology to Pakistan. So no point bringing out this point.

I am not comparing anything, just trying to make you understand the irrelevance of your argument bring in north korea and China as the origin of Pakistani missiles.

 

[falcon34]

Can any knowledgeable member please provide input on this? Do we possess truly maneuverable warheads (MaRV)?

this PSAC system just seems to be for minor corrections rather than full on evasive maneuvers to reliably penetrate AD.

@Oscar @JamD @Quwa

@Bilal
@HRK
@arjunk
The thread has gone into trolling and irrelevant comparisons, whilst the questions for which this thread was created has not been answered. So the informed members, kindly take ur time to answer the above, question while ignore the trolls
Regards.

 

[Bilal]

@Bilal
@HRK
@arjunk
The thread has gone into trolling and irrelevant comparisons, whilst the questions for which this thread was created has not been answered. So the informed members, kindly take ur time to answer the above, question while ignore the trolls
Regards.

Brother, I am not an informed or in the know category. What I do is give my take on or share information tidbits shared by the actual informed members. For most informed source would be people like oscar and now inactive the deterrent.

Coming to your question, the future direction of Pakistan missile can be extrapolated from what is being done with Fatah-2 onwards. In the words of GIDS CEO it has a glide vehicle. So it should be maneuverable beyond an MRV. Also it can be assumed that it will develop into an HGV.



I would assume the Fatah flight profile would be somewhere in between MARV and proper HGV shown above.

 

[farooqbhai]

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From old posts of the deterrent.

In the recent parade, as compared to the narration done over the other missiles, the Shaheen-2 was described as being able to surpass "Enemy ABM" systems.

 

[falcon34]

Brother, I am not an informed or in the know category. What I do is give my take on or share information tidbits shared by the actual informed members. For most informed source would be people like oscar and now inactive the deterrent.

Coming to your question, the future direction of Pakistan missile can be extrapolated from what is being done with Fatah-2 onwards. In the words of GIDS CEO it has a glide vehicle. So it should be maneuverable beyond an MRV. Also it can be assumed that it will develop into an HGV.

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I would assume the Fatah flight profile would be somewhere in between MARV and proper HGV shown above.

@Oscar

 

[Bilal]

In the recent parade, as compared to the narration done over the other missiles, the Shaheen-2 was described as being able to surpass "Enemy ABM" systems.

Considering that Ghauri PBV can be seen in the debris from 11 years ago. We can expect technology has moved forward quite significantly.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

I have a feeling we have a few Indians larping as Pakistanis

My response to them over the last few years has always been the same

Remember the Su30 raptor of the east
Or the mighty IAF, or Indian EW

Now do you remember In 2019 when it all fell apart, Pakistan blinded the IAF, shot down a Indian jet and in panic india shot down its own helicopter

The point I'm trying to make is Indians spout a lot of bullshit but when it came to the practice they failed miserably


Pakistan has a varied missile force, with new developments for Fatah I, 2, 3 and 4 to strike AD targets
A now deployable MIRV with 3-8 warheads depending on the warhead size
A possible hypersonic ballistic missile in the works
And a sub based second strike capability

With India being right next door, I think we are well positioned to wipe as much of India off the map as we want

You can check our post history if you believe we are Indian or not, but this is a very Pakistani-esque toxic trait where we refuse to acknowledge constructive criticism properly.

We are not saying this to put Pakistan down but so that we can fix the issue and progress where it matters.

It is a fact by the way that Pakistani and Iranian missiles trace their lineage to North Korean missiles and Pakistan some Chinese. It's also a fact that India has greater organic R&D going on locally than us while we are more heavily reliant on foreign support.

We only say these things so we can improve.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

Rather silly comment. A nuclear power by logic, will have far superior missiles because they are the means of delivery of the deterrence as oppose to the other nation which use it only for conventional war.

This was way back in 2011

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The Washington Post reported on Monday that Pakistan has quietly become the world's fifth largest nuclear power, surpassing both Britain and France. Many nuclear weapons experts worry about what a nuclear arms race between Pakistan, India and others could mean for regional security.

in 2016:

https://carnegieendowment.org/2016/06/30/pakistan-s-nuclear-force-structure-in-2025-pub-63912

Alarmists estimate that by 2025, Pakistan will become the third-largest nuclear weapon power, leapfrogging ahead of France, China, and the United Kingdom, behind only the United States and Russia


Add to this mix, the open admission of having battlefield miniaturised tactical nukes.


If you use "the logic" you will understand what is being said. You cant have all this fire power at your disposal and not have credible, superior and reliable delivery system.

It will aim to yes, but it's not an immediate given. To ignore Iran which has poured significant resources, funding, time and focus on its missile program with it being its main deterrence is extremely arrogant.

Iran has just as much of a strong reason to have capable missiles (especially since it's up against someone the most formidable AD in the world) as us.

 

[Oscar]

@Oscar

Only comment I will make to not waste time on Indian member known for copy paste derailment is that assured Quid pro quo plus is the standard and so far regardless of Indian ABM progress that has not changed based on what I know very recently.

 

[Taimoor]

It will aim to yes, but it's not an immediate given. To ignore Iran which has poured significant resources, funding, time and focus on its missile program with it being its main deterrence is extremely arrogant.

Iran has just as much of a strong reason to have capable missiles (especially since it's up against someone the most formidable AD in the world) as us.

I dont care what Iran posses, irrelevant to me, because Pakistan and Iran operate at different hierarchy when it comes to firepower, one is full fledged nuclear power other isnt. Someone tried to bring Pakistani missiles program status as lower to Iran, which warranted the response. that's about it.

No thats not the case, Iran doesnt have nukes to mate with its missiles. Pakistan does. Completely different ball game all together.

You sound naïve to me.

 

[prothought]

It's good to be patriotic but you should also be objective in your analysis. His arguments are backed by logic and facts and hold true.

First strike or not, India has second strike capability to retaliate and has layered AD to also defend in some capacity.

Being the first to get MIRVs is good but again it's a symbolic achievement, speaks nothing on the dynamic currently.

India has active serious research going on with huge funding. You don't. You rely *heavily* on foreign support unfortunately.

It's good to be realistic but needlessly belittling Pakistani missile technology is not useful either. Little (or even not enough) information on Pakistani (or any other country's) missile capabilities is available in public domain. However, it's safe to assume that MIRV tech is much harder to master than MARV. Also, Pakistan is known to have missiles with depressed trajectory. I think we need not be worried or get disappointed for no reason. Our enemies know our missile capabilities much batter than us laymen. Afterall, something is holding our enemies to overtly hit us for many decades now.