Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[ghazi52]

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Care to explain who is exactly demanding an immediate repayment of what is now $131 billion?

Pakistan repaid $24 billion last year. Did the sky fall? No. How did Pakistan make those repayments?

Again, think, research and analyse before answering.

Just to get things again in perspective “In December 2023, SBP Governor Jameel Ahmad stated that Pakistan was scheduled to pay $24.6 billion in foreign debt and debt servicing by the end of June 2024. This figure includes a rollover of $12.4 billion, with $9.3 billion of this amount already confirmed by creditors.” In short taking more loans and paying the old loan off and asking for debt roll overs is not a sane of a prudent strategy and is certainly not a long term workable solution. Need to boost exports, cut down expenditures, and imports of non essential and substitutable goods with local manufacture.

The Circular Debt, PSDP and new big ticket defence procurement in the current economic situation is not sustainable unless supported by more loans. With our negative GDP growth, if we factor in our population growth rates, and narrow tax base, we have little to no hope of repaying our debt.

If Pakistan was a private corp there would have been serious going concern and gearing ratio issues!

My 2c worth

 

[Fatman17]

Bell 412 EP

 

[Falcon26]

That's not accurate.

For 2023, Pakistan exported $28 billion.

For 2022, Pakistan exported $40 billion.

While down, Pakistani exports are set to recover this year.

From $40 billion to $28 billion is a massive drop. Any idea why this is so?

 

[That_Guy]

From $40 billion to $28 billion is a massive drop. Any idea why this is so?

Political instability, and a refocus on domestic consumption over export growth, which is a hallmark of PMLN.

 

[Malik]

From $40 billion to $28 billion is a massive drop. Any idea why this is so?

Take the previous record and see whenever there is a N-League government, Pakistan's exports have decreased, even during global golden economic period from 2015 to 2018, Pakistan's exports did not grow.

 

[FuturePAF]

Nah... I feel if Gaza has shown anything, the Arab states are more entrenched with western interests than the interests of their own nations. Pakistan needs to figure out how to completely extricate itself from dependence on GCC ASAP. The dependence on them already showed it was a severe handicap when the forced IK to skip Kuala Lampur conference for their own benefits. They are fully in Indias camp along with US and Israel and have sold Palestinians down the river. They will/have also sold Kashmir. That is the lesson Pakistan should drawn from Gaza.

it has shown that the GCC decides its policies based on their economies not their stated ideologies.

If Pakistan focused on growing its economy, requiring it to import more GCC oil and gas, as well as build a rail line (directly or indirectly through Afghanistan and Central Asia) to China (and east Asia), it can make it worth the GCC’s economic benefit to be more balanced between India and Pakistan; a basket of opportunities and currently a basket case.

What Pakistan does have is a well trained military and decades of extensive knowledge employing and modifying Chinese arms, in wars and MOOTW. Pakistan needs to leverage this head start to become a part of the GCC supply chain for the economic diversification they are seeking to achieve.

The GCC also fear Iran, and before Israel and since Iraq, Pakistan was the only country to have fired major munitions into Iran.

Pakistan needs to find a way to be in a key irreplaceable place in the supply chains and economic development plans of all major countries around it (even India, although not at the expense of its strategic interests, especially for at least the next most critical 25-30 years; long enough for India’s demographic dividend to run out).

 

[MastanKhan]

Nah... I feel if Gaza has shown anything, the Arab states are more entrenched with western interests than the interests of their own nations. Pakistan needs to figure out how to completely extricate itself from dependence on GCC ASAP. The dependence on them already showed it was a severe handicap when the forced IK to skip Kuala Lampur conference for their own benefits. They are fully in Indias camp along with US and Israel and have sold Palestinians down the river. They will/have also sold Kashmir. That is the lesson Pakistan should drawn from Gaza.

Hi,

That is one strange post---makes no sense---. You telling us that we need to cut our relationship with our known friends that have helped us for decades.

IK is a great guy but he fck'd up royally---. We have no resource---no wealth---we are a broke nation with nuc weapons---and christian world our enemy and you are telling us that we should forego our muslim brethren.

The piece of flesh known as tongue is so easy to wag----and IK has wagged it without any thought---.

Palestinian leadership sold its citizens when it walked out of Camp David peace deal---. Don't blame the GCC for that---. Palestinians are their own worst enemies---.

Who asked hamas ( palestinians ) to sneak attack israel when Bibi is in power---.

No person in the world is stupid enough to attack israel with Bibi in power---but only the hamas ( palestinians )---.

And don't bring Kashmir into it---we had kashmir in our hands during china / india conflict---then in 1965 as well---.

IK maybe a honest man---but he has fck'd up pakistan as bad as anyone else could---.

He talks about Riasat a medina---forgetting what the meccans did to medinites---. The muslim riasat was mecca---mecca was the center.

Who could be more stupid to appoint Usman Buzdar as the PM of the largest state in the nation---.

When evidence was presented to him---who could be more stupid to say---I don't believe it---they are innocent---she is just a property dealer agent. That is the height of stupidity of a leader to not to acknowledge an accusation made at those close to him and seek further investigation---.

 

[Bilal]

Take the previous record and see whenever there is a N-League government, Pakistan's exports have decreased, even during global golden economic period from 2015 to 2018, Pakistan's exports did not grow.

It fell and only recovered to 5 year old level in the last year.

 

[Mrc]

Just to get things again in perspective “In December 2023, SBP Governor Jameel Ahmad stated that Pakistan was scheduled to pay $24.6 billion in foreign debt and debt servicing by the end of June 2024. This figure includes a rollover of $12.4 billion, with $9.3 billion of this amount already confirmed by creditors.” In short taking more loans and paying the old loan off and asking for debt roll overs is not a sane of a prudent strategy and is certainly not a long term workable solution. Need to boost exports, cut down expenditures, and imports of non essential and substitutable goods with local manufacture.

The Circular Debt, PSDP and new big ticket defence procurement in the current economic situation is not sustainable unless supported by more loans. With our negative GDP growth, if we factor in our population growth rates, and narrow tax base, we have little to no hope of repaying our debt.

If Pakistan was a private corp there would have been serious going concern and gearing ratio issues!

My 2c worth

Pakistan debt to gdp is 70% Indian is around 80 US 100+ UK 100+

There is no crisis only mismanagement

And we had a perfect self loathing psychotic to do that

Google the stats than make knowledgeable arguments

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... The Circular Debt, PSDP and new big ticket defence procurement in the current economic situation is not sustainable unless supported by more loans. With our negative GDP growth, if we factor in our population growth rates, and narrow tax base, we have little to no hope of repaying our debt.

If Pakistan was a private corp there would have been serious going concern and gearing ratio issues!

My 2c worth

Pakistani GDP growth fluctuates like it does with rest of the world. Its not like it's been minus 3-4% year-after-year for a decade or so.

Mayoosi is haraam.

The biggest and the most experienced political party in Pakistan is the military. Considering that Pakistan is the sole Muslim nuclear power, it has made many many enemies because a certain part of the world can't stand the fact how a dirt poor Muslim country can master nuclear fusion. Many of these enemies also always appear friendly towards Pakistan but behind closed doors, they're all always plotting and planning against the Islamic Republic. It is for that reason Pakistan never shows it's true strengths. It's a long-term game and the main political party has been playing this game since the 1970s.

An example, when NATO entered Afghanistan in 2001, did you notice the silent proliferation of guns in the civilian sector all over the country? Nobody raised an eyebrow.

That's just my own humble opinion. Nothing more.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Yes you are right GDP growth has not been in the negative (average GDP is 4.0% for the last decade versus 4.3% in the region but if u factor in average 0.6% population growth the figure is 3.4%. In the same period external debt has averaged about 29% of our GDP which has now climbed to 34%) since last ten years.

The above financial indicators of the country does not support massive induction of big ticket military items nor war mongering.

Speaking the truth is paramount in any society or religion.

The gun culture in Pakistan did not start with NATO it started with our adventure in Afghanistan back in the 80’s.

As far as who is running what and why the less said the better. We are our own biggest enemies.

My 2c worth

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Pakistan debt to gdp is 70% Indian is around 80 US 100+ UK 100+

There is no crisis only mismanagement

And we had a perfect self loathing psychotic to do that

Google the stats than make knowledgeable arguments

Pakistans Debt to GDP ratio is 75% and not 70% in 2022. India’s Debt to GDP ratio is 57% in 2023. As far as US.. PKR is not a global currency of exchange.

Thank you for the “mismanagement” bit. This is exactly what I was pointing in my argument that policy, fiscal, economic, foreign n defence, should be aligned with the health of the country. We, at present, can not and should not dabble our fingers in buying big ticket military equipment.

 

[Mrc]

Pakistans Debt to GDP ratio is 75% and not 70% in 2022. India’s Debt to GDP ratio is 57% in 2023. As far as US.. PKR is not a global currency of exchange.

Thank you for the “mismanagement” bit. This is exactly what I was pointing in my argument that policy, fiscal, economic, foreign n defence, should be aligned with the health of the country. We, at present, can not and should not dabble our fingers in buying big ticket military equipment.

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Z-10ME - Chinese Answer to US Apache -64

China is displaying the export version of its domestically developed attack helicopter, the Z-10ME, for the first time at the Singapore Air Show, which will be held between February 20 and 25.

In service with the People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA) aviation units, it has extensively been seen in exercises and drills and featured frequently in official publicity material.

The medium-class attack helicopter is seen flying in large formations during training maneuvers on both China’s eastern and western fronts – Taiwan and India. The helicopter is also set to be inducted by the Pakistan military, which was supposed to begin receiving deliveries of the Z-10ME in late 2023.




Reports said that the Chinese aircraft was a substitute for the Turkish T129 ATAK helicopter that Islamabad could not acquire due to the lack of approval from the US since it is powered by an American engine.

Pakistan later canceled the project in January 2022.

Interestingly, China is also displaying its first indigenously developed narrow-body commercial airliner, the COMAC C919, for the first time outside the mainland. The plane would also perform a flying display for spectators, among the eight others that also includes an aerial performance by the Indian Air Force’s (IAF) Sarang helicopter aerobatic team.

The Chinese passenger plane’s entry into the global civilian aviation market comes at a time when leading airline manufacturers Boeing and Airbus are “struggling to ramp up production and meet demand for new planes, and Boeing struggling with a string of crises,” Reuters said.

Z-10ME In Singapore Air Show’s Static Display​

Handles on X (formerly Twitter) showed the Z-10ME at the static display in a desert light-brown and green color scheme. While the Z-10 would not be participating in a flying display, its primary competitor at the air show appears to be the AH-64E Apache, two of which would also be placed in a static display.

One aircraft would be from the US Army, while the other Apache is an AH-64D from the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF).

The show’s website does not mention the Apaches either to be taking part in a flying display. However, Boeing would certainly have a massive pavilion and exhibit with possibly a mockup of the Apache, with its executives actively pitching the helicopter to military delegations.



The Z-10ME is the export variant of China’s latest attack helicopter, which is already in service with the People’s Liberation Army. It has a range of roughly 1,120 kilometers and an empty weight of around roughly 5,100 kg.

The six-tonne attack helicopter, which occupies pride of place on the outdoor static display, has been brought to the show by the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC). We are targeting sales in Middle East, Southeast Asia and South America, a company official who did not wish to be named told AMR. The official added that the helicopter carried an affordable price tag with an offer for Transfer of Technology (ToT) if needed. The Z-10ME made its first public appearance in China in 2018 but at that time did not feature the millimetre-wave fire control radar or extensive self-protection systems now on display.

The unit on display also appears to be bristling with sensors and defensive equipment, including a mast-mounted fire control radar, nose-mounted electro-optical/infrared sensor turret, an infrared exhaust suppressor and other devices that may represent countermeasure dispensers.




The helicopter being shown at the airshow carries the Serial No. Z10ME-02 and appears to be the second company owned prototype. The Z-10ME is being displayed alongside a wide-variety Chinese produced munitions, including FS70B aerial blast fragmentation rockets, GR5 guided rockets, TY-90 air-to-air missile, CM-502KG air-to-surface missiles. The helicopter is fitted with a chin-mounted 23mm cannon and a nose-mounted EO pod, in addition to a millimetre-wave fire control radar.

The helicopter on display featured two-rocket pods which can together accommodate 14 rockets on the inner stub wings, followed four TY-90 air-to-air missiles and CM-502KG air-to-surface missiles on the underwing pylons. It can also be configured to carry 16 Anti-Tank missiles or four seven-barrel rocket launcher or two 19-barrel rocket launchers.


It fires a 23-millimeter chin-mounted cannon and four external hardpoints that can hold air-to-ground, air-to-air, and rocket launchers. Both the left and the right-hand-side weapons stubs can carry up to 16 anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM), four multiple 7-barrel rocket launchers, or two multiple 32-barrel rocket launcher pods, depending on the nature of the mission.

Together with the Z-10ME, a wide selection of compatible munitions, including the CM-502KG air-to-surface missiles, TY-90 air-to-air missiles, GR-5 guided rockets, FS70B aerial blast fragmentation rockets, and 23mm high explosive incendiary ammunitions, were displayed at the Singapore Airshow.



The Z-10ME also features what looks like missile approach warning sensors on the side chin, under the weapons stubs, a sand filter for the engine intakes, and heavier armor to withstand small arms fire.

The Z-10ME exhibited in Singapore was fitted with the Yu Huo millimetre wave fire-control radar mounted over the rotor, providing an all-weather capability.

Competitor To AH-64 Apache?​

Chinese media claims the Z-10 is easier to maintain, has greater range, and is faster and more maneuverable than the Eurocopter Tiger. As of 2022, some of the Z-10s stationed in the border facing India were reported to be flying with an engine developed in cooperation with French engine maker Safran Helicopter Engines.





The power plant is capable of supporting operations in high-altitude and ratified atmosphere. It is not clear if the rest of the Z-10s with the PLA or the export-oriented Z-10ME also fly with the same power plant.

Nevertheless, the presence of a millimeter wave radar on the mast, above the main rotors, suggests the Z-10 is somewhere largely designed to be comparable to the American AH-64 Apache’s Longbow variant.

The systems are fire-control radars that target and guide many of the long-range anti-tank missiles and other air-to-ground munitions.



Zhao DaShuai, a member of China’s People’s Armed Police (PAP) Propaganda Bureau on X (formerly Twitter said in a post, “Components made from better materials that can withstand more heat and pressure are all factors in squeezing more power into an engine.”

This hints that China, like India, is struggling with the niche metallurgical sciences that make successful aero engines – a technology mastered by the US, UK, France, and Russia.

Beijing, however, is still largely ahead of India in possessing a diverse series of operational jet engines like the WS-10 and WS-12 for fighters and the WZ-16 turboshaft engines for helicopters.

Z-10ME: China’s Answer To AH-64 Apache Attack Helicopter Makes 1st Appearance At Singapore Air Show

China is displaying the export version of its domestically developed attack helicopter, the Z-10ME, for the first time at the Singapore Air Show, which will be held between February 20 and 25. In service with the People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA) aviation units, it has extensively been seen in...

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