HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[harpy1]

Yes, Pakistan and China will be inducting just 5th gen by then, JF-17 and J-10C production will be over

There is a big difference between manufacturing and maintaining

China had some over 1000 flankers and J10
Only 150. J20
Nil.J32
Still several.hundreds j7 and J8

So in post 2030
They stop.producing j10.
Those 1000/1500 planes will.take two decades to phase out

For Pakistan it's worse
You have 200 mirages and F7 fifty years old still.in use
You have 150 thunders soon to be obselete by 2030 bar 30 block 3
All.your F16 bar 18 block 52 are datexd

No way is PAF replacing that number in 2030/2035

With no USA fighters likely you will.keep some of your falcons say 50
You can't get rid of your child Thunders so they stay 150
You have just opened up j10
So they stay say 50

No more room.for more planes for decades other than few j31

 

[Yasser76]

There is no 5th generation fighter in Europe until post 2045
Check the progress of both UK led Tempest and French led FCAS both are designated sixth Generation

So come back to Kaan they have no engine for certain one prototype no Aesa radar no sensor fusion tech
This is shell only

How many more prototypes and how many flights say five thousand
Yasser that is decade of work
Assume entry ioc 2032 how long to set production how long to fill turkey order book
How long for you to negotiate a price make payments
You get my reservations

As losing Thunders no chance there staying for decades bro
Your not building anything else not for twenty year

We are realistic with expectations
Despite 80 billion defense budget likely to double in ten years we know
TEJAS IS FUTURE OF INDIA both mark one and two

Amca will.come be it later than J31 and possibly same time as Kaan and euro birds

One thing is certain both Tempest and FCAS will be within Indian reach if they need them.post 2040

India has always had fighters from UK and France

Again, you either cannot read or just present a twisted version of the truth.

5th gen is already in service in Europe. european projects (6th Gen) will be online in around 10 years, tempest has a service entry date of 2035, around the same time as Tejas MK2.

See the point here? RAF will be getting 6th Gen the same time IAF gets 4.5th gen


The sheer arrogance of people assuming India will advance and the rest of the world stands still is amazing.

KAAN is ACTUALLY FLYING, AMCA prototype is years from being built but you suggest timelines are the same?

Are you actually serious and belive what you type or do you post out of pure nationalistic inferiority complex?

 

[Yasser76]

There is a big difference between manufacturing and maintaining

China had some over 1000 flankers and J10
Only 150. J20
Nil.J32
Still several.hundreds j7 and J8

So in post 2030
They stop.producing j10.
Those 1000/1500 planes will.take two decades to phase out

For Pakistan it's worse
You have 200 mirages and F7 fifty years old still.in use
You have 150 thunders soon to be obselete by 2030 bar 30 block 3
All.your F16 bar 18 block 52 are datexd

No way is PAF replacing that number in 2030/2035

With no USA fighters likely you will.keep some of your falcons say 50
You can't get rid of your child Thunders so they stay 150
You have just opened up j10
So they stay say 50

No more room.for more planes for decades other than few j31

PAF will replace Mirage and f-7 BY 2030, new inductions of JF-17/J-10 are ensuring that.

J-10/JF-17B3/F-16/J-31 combined will give PAF decent numbers, even if they have to reduce force size, more capable planes are coming online. By 2030 new planes will be J-31 being inducted as India inducts Tejas MK1A.

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

PAF will replace Mirage and f-7 BY 2030, new inductions of JF-17/J-10 are ensuring that.

J-10/JF-17B3/F-16/J-31 combined will give PAF decent numbers, even if they have to reduce force size, more capable planes are coming online. By 2030 new planes will be J-31 being inducted as India inducts Tejas MK1A.

Whether the J-31 is more capable than Rafales depends on one's subjective definition of capability. The IAF does not consider any fifth-generation fighter in the world, apart from the F-22 and F-35, as true fifth generation. This statement was made by IAF Chief BS Dhanoa during an official press conference. He also mentioned that there is no immediate requirement for a fifth-generation fighter jet, and the upcoming AMCA of the IAF will be a true fifth-generation fighter jet, akin to the F-22 or F-35.

 

[Yasser76]

Whether the J-31 is more capable than Rafales depends on one's subjective definition of capability. The IAF does not consider any fifth-generation fighter in the world, apart from the F-22 and F-35, as true fifth generation. This statement was made by IAF Chief BS Dhanoa during an official press conference. He also mentioned that there is no immediate requirement for a fifth-generation fighter jet, and the upcoming AMCA of the IAF will be a true fifth-generation fighter jet, akin to the F-22 or F-35.

No offence to the great IAF chief, but the capabilities of the J-31 are a major unknown, even to the US, from many accounts it lags behind the F-35 in some areas and in some areas it exceeds it, certainly a lot of us commentators it does not have the design drawn back of catering to the VTOL version requirements.
Maybe more wishful thinking by India.

Also, to suggest India, on it's own, without any proven jet fighter engine or AESA radar home developed yet, can, in 10 years, out of nowhere, produce a fighter on part with the F-35 defies every concept of reality and logic I know about, maybe it suits the IAF thread though....

 

[harpy1]

Who said we have no Aesa
We have more advanced Aesa than Turkey and kaan fighter and better bvrs like Astra
Tempest news I live in UK I know about Tempest far more than you

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

No offence to the great IAF chief, but the capabilities of the J-31 are a major unknown, even to the US, from many accounts it lags behind the F-35 in some areas and in some areas it exceeds it, certainly a lot of us commentators it does not have the design drawn back of catering to the VTOL version requirements.
Maybe more wishful thinking by India.

Also, to suggest India, on it's own, without any proven jet fighter engine or AESA radar home developed yet, can, in 10 years, out of nowhere, produce a fighter on part with the F-35 defies every concept of reality and logic I know about, maybe it suits the IAF thread though....

When it comes to fighter jet manufacturing, India is certainly not as experienced as the US, Russia, China, France, or the UK, but it does have way more experience than Turkey.

 

[harpy1]

PAF will replace Mirage and f-7 BY 2030, new inductions of JF-17/J-10 are ensuring that.

J-10/JF-17B3/F-16/J-31 combined will give PAF decent numbers, even if they have to reduce force size, more capable planes are coming online. By 2030 new planes will be J-31 being inducted as India inducts Tejas MK1A.

India is inducting Mark1a now as we speak
So why you saying 2030
Yasser that is six years away we will.hace Tejas mark 2
J31 is prototype in china
It's not ready for you until 2035

 

[Yasser76]

India is inducting Mark1a now as we speak
So why you saying 2030
Yasser that is six years away we will.hace Tejas mark 2
J31 is prototype in china
It's not ready for you until 2035

IAF is not inducting any MK1A this year, everyone on this forum knows it, it has only just had it's first flight.

J-31 had it's first flight in 2012, and, no offence, I would be on Chinese manufacturing capability over India's any day of the week and twice on Sundays

 

[Yasser76]

When it comes to fighter jet manufacturing, India is certainly not as experienced as the US, Russia, China, France, or the UK, but it does have way more experience than Turkey.

Perhaps so, however Turks have caught up quickly, they have surpasseds most nations bar US in drone tech alone

 

[Yasser76]

Who said we have no Aesa
We have more advanced Aesa than Turkey and kaan fighter and better bvrs like Astra
Tempest news I live in UK I know about Tempest far more than you

Well you did not seem to know that Tempest is due to be in service by 2035, so "knowing more then me" may not be 100% accurate.

India has no proven AESA, Uttam is stll in develment and even Tejas m1ka will use Israeli radar. You need to stop deluding yourself

 

[DDG-80]

India has no proven AESA, Uttam is stll in develment and even Tejas m1ka will use Israeli radar. You need to stop deluding yourself

In an interview with Anantha Krishnan M of Tarmak Media House, ADA Director Dr Jitendra Jadhav disclosed that the Uttam radar has been successfully integrated into the Tejas Mk-1 jet.

Dr Jadhav says, "We have integrated the Uttam radar with Tejas Mk-1 and completed 125 flights. We have completed the A2A and A2G performance and other features [of the radar]," adding that "a few of the flight tests are pending which will be conducted shortly, but today, as a radar, it is functioning on par with imported radars, and in some areas, it performs much better than imported radars."

He says, "We have already given the hardware clearance for production. The production can now proceed concurrently till we finish some tests which are pending, and then hopefully, we are expecting that by the 41st aircraft, the Uttam radar will be integrated into the MK-1A."

India's Uttam AESA Radar Is Close To Clearing A Major Milestone — Here's The Lowdown

India’s indigenously developed Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Uttam radar is nearing of completion of its flight trials

swarajyamag.com

 

[DDG-80]

KAAN is ACTUALLY FLYING, AMCA prototype is years from being built but you suggest timelines are the same?

Are you actually serious and belive what you type or do you post out of pure nationalistic inferiority complex?

Don’t make me laugh. Turkey don’t even have a FTB for AESA radar,,, heck they even lack a RCS facility for VLO. Even to certify FBW’s CLAW you need around 2000 hours of test flying, that alone is a 4-5 years of testing. But magically somehow they're able to certify everything within the timeline. BTW, F-35 had to fly 17000 flying hours to complete SDD.

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[harpy1]

Well you did not seem to know that Tempest is due to be in service by 2035, so "knowing more then me" may not be 100% accurate.

India has no proven AESA, Uttam is stll in develment and even Tejas m1ka will use Israeli radar. You need to stop deluding yourself

You call me delusional
Your the one with Pakistan will have
200, plus fifth fighters by 2035:
Not me bro
We won't have one
So whose deluded you or me

 

[vkdindian]

J31 could be a very good aircraft and better than MK IA. But it has flaws and those make it not as formidable as its peers in the game. Just because other countries don’t have data on it, doesn’t make it a ghost. Dhanoa had made a statement based on the basic aspects of its aerodynamics. People not liking Dhanoa, wouldn’t change those facts.

China definitely has a lead in developing and making its own aircraft. India has been late to the party and is playing a catch up game. Sadly, there is no shortcut to that.

Worrying over it can’t be of any help either. It is not possible to bridge the gaps with an adversary like China at all times. Look at the Chinese navy. Their numbers, reach and capabilities. What to do? Die worrying over it?

Moreover, would China field only J31 class aircraft against India at all times?

There are battle plans against stronger adversaries. Plans based on working on own strengths and exploiting adversaries weaknesses.

Assuming that all the strengths lie with China and all weaknesses with India, would be naive to say the least.