The possible ways of action of the Egyptian army in an initiated war against Israel

[arjunk]

Israel would have air supremacy and decimate the Egyptian Army. There is no question of Egypt's castrated air force posing a remotely potent threat to Israel.

 

[retaxis]

***OMG.. at an average $60 000 000 per ton.. this reserve amounts to..

$17,000,000,000,000 (Yes that is $17 trillion!!!)

I wouldn't read into these type of things. Mines for lithium/nickel/gold always being discovered depending on how deep you dig but nothing every happens because its too expensive to dig that deep. Plus its all just estimates anyway.

According to discoveries, India has hundreds of trillions in minerals but nothing ever come out of it you can simply google it.

 

[GoMig-21]

Egypt wouldn’t be just going to war with Israel and they know it. The war would be very short lived as the west could cripple Egypt's economy pretty quickly.

It's not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.
It all depends on the reason for the war. If Egypt is seen as the aggressor or mounts an offensive into occupied Palestine, then yes, your prognosis is correct. However, Egypt's has no intentions of invading or mounting any type of offensive war into occupied Palestine so that aspect is moot. Egypt's main military doctrine -- and especially its logistical makeup in Sinia -- is geared to a defensive strategy and not much more. Only certain offensive tactics are at the ready to assist in the defensive role, but that's about it.

However, if the zionist pull off another stunt like they did in 67 and try to invade Sinai under some stupid or silly pretext, that won't be the case at all as far as outside assistance. Especially after their murderous campaign in Gaza. World opinion has drastically shifted and has not been very kind to the criminals like it used to be, so they better tread lightly.

Also, there are many clauses in the peace treaty that warn against either party from mounting an attack on the other. If either one is found in violation of these clauses, then there are punitive measures that take place so the zionist are equally held accountable for their actions under the treaty. But that is a tricky proposition especially when it comes to the US as it would almost always find a way to side with the zionist under any pretext. The rest of the world...maybe not so much.

without getting into comparisons between levels of efficiency nor numbers. The Egyptian Army's stock of fighters and tanks depends mostly on US made weapons. if war was ever erupts between the two countries, Egypt will not receive spare parts or ammunition instead of these consumed during the battle. on the contrary zionists Israel would receive continuous resupply.while Egypt be arms embargoed by the US.

Again, it depends on the belligerent or instigating party. Plus, if we take stock of Egypt's inventory at a quick glance, the EAF has approximately 176 F-16s and 80 MiG-29M/M2 & Rafales & Mirage 2000s. It has approximately another 80 Mirage 5SD/SDE and other aircraft such as the F-7 (not sure if they're completely retired or not but should be at least in storage) so it basically evens out as far as the US/Russian-European inventory. One can say the Europeans are the west, hence would side with the US and while that's somewhat true, it might not be a huge factor in the case of Egypt defending itself since under the purchase contract agreements come all sorts of clauses for wartime support. Defending itself would allow the contract clauses to supersede the ones in the treaty.

Egypt also has a very capable in-house spare part & maintenance depot for its Russian & US-made fighters and will be opening a much bigger one for the Rafale in the next year or two.

The army has approximately 1,300 M1A1 Abrams tanks assembled in Egypt and fabricates many of the parts as well. It also fabricates munitions and is outsourcing some ammo from other parties exactly for this reason. Ammo is the first thing that runs out in time of war and Egypt has huge stockpiles of almost every kind. One of the reasons we see the military firing many weapons during numerous training exercises it's borderline wasteful. But that's a reason it can do that.

It has around 3,400 M60/M-60A3s which it fabricates almost all the needed spare parts. It also has a few hundred T-55/62/80 and is soon to begin the production of 500 T-90MS and would undoubtedly get support from Russia for its tanks and armored vehicles etc.

The biggest asset that wouldn't get threatened and is one of the strongest in the region is its air defense. While mostly Russian, it does have French, German and a few other odd-sourced systems so those would be at the grace of who started the war, especially the IRIS-T-SL/SLM. One of its better systems unfortunately. But it does have a HUGE supply of missiles which ought to last a while and contingencies.

All that said, these are the essentials in understanding what the outcome would be, and not just clear-cut assuming a simple and complete lopsided scenario for one side or other.

 

[KingQamaR]

It's not as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.
It all depends on the reason for the war. If Egypt is seen as the aggressor or mounts an offensive into occupied Palestine, then yes, your prognosis is correct. However, Egypt's has no intentions of invading or mounting any type of offensive war into occupied Palestine so that aspect is moot. Egypt's main military doctrine -- and especially its logistical makeup in Sinia -- is geared to a defensive strategy and not much more. Only certain offensive tactics are at the ready to assist in the defensive role, but that's about it.

However, if the zionist pull off another stunt like they did in 67 and try to invade Sinai under some stupid or silly pretext, that won't be the case at all as far as outside assistance. Especially after their murderous campaign in Gaza. World opinion has drastically shifted and has not been very kind to the criminals like it used to be, so they better tread lightly.

Also, there are many clauses in the peace treaty that warn against either party from mounting an attack on the other. If either one is found in violation of these clauses, then there are punitive measures that take place so the zionist are equally held accountable for their actions under the treaty. But that is a tricky proposition especially when it comes to the US as it would almost always find a way to side with the zionist under any pretext. The rest of the world...maybe not so much.



Again, it depends on the belligerent or instigating party. Plus, if we take stock of Egypt's inventory at a quick glance, the EAF has approximately 176 F-16s and 80 MiG-29M/M2 & Rafales & Mirage 2000s. It has approximately another 80 Mirage 5SD/SDE and other aircraft such as the F-7 (not sure if they're completely retired or not but should be at least in storage) so it basically evens out as far as the US/Russian-European inventory. One can say the Europeans are the west, hence would side with the US and while that's somewhat true, it might not be a huge factor in the case of Egypt defending itself since under the purchase contract agreements come all sorts of clauses for wartime support. Defending itself would allow the contract clauses to supersede the ones in the treaty.

Egypt also has a very capable in-house spare part & maintenance depot for its Russian & US-made fighters and will be opening a much bigger one for the Rafale in the next year or two.

The army has approximately 1,300 M1A1 Abrams tanks assembled in Egypt and fabricates many of the parts as well. It also fabricates munitions and is outsourcing some ammo from other parties exactly for this reason. Ammo is the first thing that runs out in time of war and Egypt has huge stockpiles of almost every kind. One of the reasons we see the military firing many weapons during numerous training exercises it's borderline wasteful. But that's a reason it can do that.

It has around 3,400 M60/M-60A3s which it fabricates almost all the needed spare parts. It also has a few hundred T-55/62/80 and is soon to begin the production of 500 T-90MS and would undoubtedly get support from Russia for its tanks and armored vehicles etc.

The biggest asset that wouldn't get threatened and is one of the strongest in the region is its air defense. While mostly Russian, it does have French, German and a few other odd-sourced systems so those would be at the grace of who started the war, especially the IRIS-T-SL/SLM. One of its better systems unfortunately. But it does have a HUGE supply of missiles which ought to last a while and contingencies.

All that said, these are the essentials in understanding what the outcome would be, and not just clear-cut assuming a simple and complete lopsided scenario for one side or other.

Pls I am only putting counter argument here only, Egypt has a mixed bag of weapons which generate a giant logistics and inter-operational issues. The thing is, Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky according to experts. And the biggest threat is if Egypt had to fight alone then those zionists F35s with the new AMRAAMs might be enough to make Egypt's Airforce basically a non-factor, again.

Depends on how well those Raphael & Russian Migs could do.




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[GoMig-21]

Pls I am only putting counter argument here only, Egypt has a mixed bag of weapons which generate a giant logistics and inter-operational issues. The thing is, Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky according to experts. And the biggest threat is if Egypt had to fight alone then those zionists F35s with the new AMRAAMs might be enough to make Egypt's Airforce basically a non-factor, again.

Depends on how well those Raphael & Russian Migs could do.

My post was only to address your 2 points about a hypothetical war with the zionist. Your first point was Egypt wouldn’t be just going to war with Israel and it would be very short lived and the 2nd point was that it would be over quickly because the west could cripple Egypt's economy pretty quickly.

Those are fair points and I just gave you my opinion about the two.

Would the west really support the zionist if they were the belligerents and attacked first? The US might, but at the same time don't forget that Egypt is also an ally of the US as presently constituted. So unless Egypt is the belligerent, I don't think the US would be eager to cripple its economy etc. It has a pact with Egypt also and frankly a zionist attack for a crappy reason (for example they might claim Egypt is not doing enough to stop Hamas from getting all its weapons through tunnels) and decides it's going to invade & occupy Sinai again to make sure no more contraband gets through to Gaza. That won't sit well with the US at all. It would be extremely difficult for the US (let alone the rest of the west) to support such a crime especially now after their despicable massacre in Gaza.

Certainly the world support for the zionist is waning like never before so that brings in your 2nd point. How much of the Egyptian military equipment would really be affected by the West?

That's what I was getting at. Plus, there is so much more one would need to take into consideration like I mentioned; the treaty clauses and even the zionist wouldn't be able to mount anything remotely close to a declaration of war without the US' approval in the first place. Would the US simply give the go-ahead with everything I just mentioned? I don't think so. Egypt would have to do something extremely stupid and decisive to lose the US' alliance.

 

[The SC]

I wouldn't read into these type of things. Mines for lithium/nickel/gold always being discovered depending on how deep you dig but nothing every happens because its too expensive to dig that deep. Plus its all just estimates anyway.

According to discoveries, India has hundreds of trillions in minerals but nothing ever come out of it you can simply google it.

These are proven reserves according to the Canadian firm.. and they have already found gold in there..

 

[The SC]

Pls I am only putting counter argument here only, Egypt has a mixed bag of weapons which generate a giant logistics and inter-operational issues. The thing is, Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky according to experts. And the biggest threat is if Egypt had to fight alone then those zionists F35s with the new AMRAAMs might be enough to make Egypt's Airforce basically a non-factor, again.

Depends on how well those Raphael & Russian Migs could do.




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Egypt has 2 Resonance-N stationary three-coordinate radar complex of the meter wavelength range..They can spot the F-35 before take off..

 

[retaxis]

These are proven reserves according to the Canadian firm.. and they have already found gold in there..

Then why doesn't anyone dig it up just like no one digs up lithium in India even though it has massive 'proven reserves'. Fact is it would cost 10x more to dig it up making it improbable for the next 50 years.

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Plus the total amount of gold that is in the market that is dug up is only 16trillion so there is no way egypt has gold that can be dug up worth more than the world combined.

Market Cap of Gold (precious metal)

The Market Capitalization of Gold is currently around $31.795 T. The Market Cap of a precious metal is calculated by multiplying the above the ground reserves with its current market price

companiesmarketcap.com

 

[The SC]

Then why doesn't anyone dig it up just like no one digs up lithium in India even though it has massive 'proven reserves'. Fact is it would cost 10x more to dig it up making it improbable for the next 50 years.

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Plus the total amount of gold that is in the market that is dug up is only 16trillion so there is no way egypt has gold that can be dug up worth more than the world combined.

Market Cap of Gold (precious metal)

The Market Capitalization of Gold is currently around $31.795 T. The Market Cap of a precious metal is calculated by multiplying the above the ground reserves with its current market price

companiesmarketcap.com

Egypt is already mining gold.. and now you are talking about the available gold on the market and the companies are talking about reserves.. two different things..

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Egypt should buy military equipment from China.

 

[retaxis]

Egypt is already mining gold.. and now you are talking about the available gold on the market and the companies are talking about reserves two different things..

How much profit are you gaining from that yearly then? Anything close to that 17trillion figure you suggested? It has to be a few hundred billion revenue at least right?

All I spoke about was that every country has these massive estimates of reserves but its unachievable and unrealistic and better to stick with reality.

 

[GoMig-21]

Egypt should buy military equipment from China.

Such as? Anything specific on your mind? I'm genuinely curious.

Armor? Sure. Naval assets? Maybe, would need to see which ones. If you're thinking fighter jets and specifically the J-10C, the problem with that (IMO) is that it will only introduce another weapons system and inventory to deal with. While we already have American, Russian and French, why add a 4th platform with its own associated weapons and convolute the inventory any more than it already is when it's not really necessary?

For example, we already have the Rafale and a good number of them (54 - 30 still to come but they're on their way) and so it is better to stick to another platform that is somewhat compatible to either that Rafale, or the Russian MiG-29M/M2. To have a western base and a Russian base is good enough, but to introduce a 3rd base in the Chinese jet while it brings a significant threat level, the compatibility gap becomes even larger than it already is.

Is it manageable? Yes, of course and the EAF has proven it for decades. But why make it more difficult than it needs to be, especially when we have the option to get the Eurofighter Typhoon which could very well happen this year, or not. And its systems are much compatible with the Rafale and even our F-16s than the F-16/Rafale + J-10C.

And, considering the level of trade that China does with the zionist entity, it's difficult to imagine the Chinese offering the PL-15 and better when available like they probably will for Pakistan. We have a neighbor that China is HEAVILY invested in (same with Turkey but that's another story lol) so I have strong doubts China would be willing to upset the demons much, especially when the J-10C is allegedly an inspiration of the POS lavi lol.

Look at China and its exports to the demons!

 

[Developereo]

While we already have American, Russian and French

If you ever get into a war with Israel, the Americans, French, Germans, Italians, etc will be on the other side, knowing your equipments' vulnerabilities to the last detail.

The Chinese may sit on the sides but they will never actively help Israel the way US/Europe will.

 

[GoMig-21]

If you ever get into a war with Israel, the Americans, French, Germans, Italians, etc will be on the other side, knowing your equipments' vulnerabilities to the last detail.

Again, the only way that scenario happens is if Egypt is the aggressor, and that'll never happen unless the zionist do something extraordinarily stupid like bomb Makkah or Medina or some lunacy of that level. In that case it'll be the end of times.

90% of Egypt's military doctrine is geared for defensive warfare and not offensive. The other 10% is underground and hardly anyone knows the extent of it except those privy to it.

So that whole idea of going to war with the zionist entity in the aggressor's role and lose the support is moot since it would never happen.

People like to bring that up all the time because it's fun to talk about and compare equipment and rag on the Egyptian side as inferior etc. and that's fine, I guess. But they never look at the political or strategic factors of that scenario.

And should they attack us again like they did in 56 & 67, there is no way the world blindly supports them. Absolutely not for all the reasons I already listed.

The Chinese may sit on the sides but they will never actively help Israel the way US/Europe will.

Isn't that the same thing?

 

[Developereo]

Again, the only way that scenario happens is if Egypt is the aggressor,

If Israel is in a full blown war, it will not matter who started it. The US/European leaders will have zero choice in the matter.

Isn't that the same thing?

Sitting on the side is not the same as actively providing real time intelligence and equipment to Israel while denying the same to its adversary.

Also, China has been more critical of Israel in this Gaza genocide than most of the Muslim countries. China has no active enmity with Israel but it also not a slave of Israel, like most Western leaders. China will do what is in China's best interests, and taking the West down a notch is always a win for China/Russia.