The possible ways of action of the Egyptian army in an initiated war against Israel

[KingQamaR]

If you ever get into a war with Israel, the Americans, French, Germans, Italians, etc will be on the other side, knowing your equipments' vulnerabilities to the last detail.

The Chinese may sit on the sides but they will never actively help Israel the way US/Europe will.

It would be best for Egypt to look somewhere else for their Airforce requirements.

Well, that could be either Pakistan or China.

Egyptian F-16 block 50/52 is considered to be almost useless because of restrictions placed on its use of BVR weapons still Egypt maintain this expensive fleet?

Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky.

Wouldn't the EU producers of the EuroFighter or France jet Rafael be just as likely to place restrictions on the use of this aircraft as the US does with the F-16?

 

[Developereo]

It would be best for Egypt to look somewhere else for their Airforce requirements.

Well, that could be either Pakistan or China.

Egyptian F-16 block 50/52 is considered to be almost useless because of restrictions placed on its use of BVR weapons still Egypt maintain this expensive fleet?

Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky.

Wouldn't the EU producers of the EuroFighter or France jet Rafael be just as likely to place restrictions on the use of this aircraft as the US does with the F-16?

Every single military nut and bolt sold by the West to a Muslim country would need to be approved by the Zionists first and would be useless against Israel.

It makes no sense to buy European military hardware. China has surpassed the Europeans in almost all military areas and is second only to the US in some areas. Yet Muslim countries continue to pour billions of dollars into the second rate European military machine.

 

[GoMig-21]

If Israel is in a full blown war, it will not matter who started it.

Sure it will. What full-blown war scenario are you referring to? There has to be a reason why the zionist would go to war with Egypt, and that reason matters big time.

A simple example is 1967 & 1973. In the former the zionist were the aggressors and they were not supported whatsoever. Even in 1956 when they invaded Sinai with the British and the French invading Port Said because of Nasser nationalizing the Suez Canal, Eisenhower immediately issued an ultimatum to all three to immediately withdraw and give back all lands including the full rights to the Suez Canal back to Egypt or face the consequences.

In 1973, when Egypt attacked the zionist occupying forces (and mind you, on its own land in Sinai not even in occupied Palestine), the US jumped with billions of $ to support the zionist (Operation Nickle Grass) and save them from a full-blown thrashing and defeat. Those are the perfect examples of why the reason to the war makes a huge difference in whether they would be supported or not.

There's also the Egyptian side of its own support level that I mentioned that's also being ignored here.

The US/European leaders will have zero choice in the matter.

This point is moot because of the above reasons. Yes they'll support the zionists only if they are being attacked or Egypt is stupid and gives them a reason to and not the other way around. And Egypt will never give the zionist a legitimate reason to act criminally like they can in Syria (and against Iranian assets) & Hezbollad and especially against the Palestinians.

 

[GoMig-21]

It would be best for Egypt to look somewhere else for their Airforce requirements.

We have been, and we are.

Egyptian F-16 block 50/52 is considered to be almost useless because of restrictions placed on its use of BVR weapons still Egypt maintain this expensive fleet?

Considered "useless" by whom? And you really believe that? The term "useless" means it serves absolutely no function whatsoever. Is that what you're saying?

Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky.

Does that mean the JF-17 is useless? All the Pakistani Mirages are useless? All the F-7PGs are useless?

What about Pakistan's F-16 fleet that don't fire the AIM-120? If I'm not mistaken, I think the only ones capable of firing the AIM-120 are the block 52s and either 4 or 12 or all 16 of the A/B's after their MLU upgrades. Correct me if I'm wrong I don't want to make assumptions on something I'm not very familiar with, just going by what I know a little bit about which is not all the PAF F-16s are BVR capable. If so, does that make them also "useless" like the label you're assigning to the EAF F-16s? Which BTW, do have the AIM-7 Sparrow which is a BVR and yes, I'm completely aware that it's passive homing and not active homing but hey, that makes them even less "useless", right? And with today's exploding world of advanced decoys, AWACs, ECM and counter tactics etc., it's much more complicated than just possessing BVR missiles and that's the end of it.

Egypt doesn't have the AIM-120. So, majority of their Air Force (F-16s) would get slaughtered in the sky.

Our military personnel must be very stupid, then. With that kind of credit you're giving them, we should consider firing them and maybe hiring you, my friend. Just kidding.

 

[KingQamaR]

It was the American state dept released the information on this. And we read up on Egypt’s F-16s by western aviation experts , Are all reporting Egypt f16s do not have BVR capability, they do have the AIM-7 Sparrow. Yes, the AIM-7 is considered an out of date and fairly obsolete missile. On your generous offer my dear Egyptian brother. I am to busy doing up my garden next few months so I am afraid I will have to pass up on this fantastic opportunity of not able to work with the Mr Sissi the commandant

 

[GoMig-21]

On your generous offer my dear Egyptian brother. I am to busy doing up my garden next few months so I am afraid I will have to pass up on this fantastic opportunity of not able to work with the Mr Sissi the commandant

Hahaha, enjoy your gardening, my brother. Planting anything good?

 

[SuperWarrior]

If a war breaks out against Egypt i am so sure Iran will support Egypt, and Russia and China would be forced too. Turkiyeh would positionate also.

Israel, nor US can stand that scenario, defintely US will lose all middleast street.

And it can be a possible future scenario. I have little doubts of that.

 

[KingQamaR]

Hahaha, enjoy your gardening, my brother. Planting anything good?

We recently moved and bought a house with a total concrete front garden. I would love to be able to remove some of it and turn it back to garden, but dread to think what it will cost so I am going to try do it myself lol

 

[KingQamaR]

If a war breaks out against Egypt i am so sure Iran will support Egypt, and Russia and China would be forced too. Turkiyeh would positionate also.

Israel, nor US can stand that scenario, defintely US will lose all middleast street.

And it can be a possible future scenario. I have little doubts of that.

Cairo has plentiful friends you are right . Attack on Egypt is an attack on all Arabs they will respond let’s not forget the Weapons Saudis, Qataris, UAE and others have in their possession Tel Aviv will be screwed. Only thing is nukes why the hell did Egypt not get some of their own that I will never understand.

 

[Sami_1]

You need to capitalize and go for that industry, not just talk about it and have others hinder you, this incident happened when Egypt had plans to build a microchip factory to produce its own semiconductors since they have huge amounts of white sand (which contains silicon)

You wanted to confirm, and I explained to you the story of the exploitation of these wealth
This is based on transparency, integrity, and honor, and the head of power in Egypt lacks them. In fact, anyone who is or wants to turn Egypt into an economic tiger is being fought. Rather, decisions are being taken, taking steps that are hostile to the Egyptian interest, and the easiest thing for him would be to sell Egypt’s assets and wealth.

 

[SuperWarrior]

Cairo has plentiful friends you are right . Attack on Egypt is an attack on all Arabs they will respond let’s not forget the Weapons Saudis, Qataris, UAE and others have in their possession Tel Aviv will be screwed. Only thing is nukes why the hell did Egypt not get some of their own that I will never understand.

Absolutely, if war breaks out, Egypt will have massive support,not doubts here.

 

[Sami_1]

According to the Indians the Egyptians are in cohorts with the Israelis;-

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Israel has turned into a weaker state. It is as capable as it was in 1956. It cannot fight Egypt alone, and Egypt sees things differently. Why does it fight Israel only? It engages Israel in civil wars and with the militias surrounding it in Gaza and Lebanon. Egypt knows full well that Israel is the creation of Hamas. Therefore, eliminating the two is a benefit to Egypt and the continuation of the war. A conflict between Hamas and Israel weakens the two for the longest possible period, and Egypt will not allow the displacement of the Palestinians, not because of their resettlement in Sinai, as Hamas and Israel want, but now the goal is to continue the conflict between Israel and its neighbors. To illustrate a simple example, Israel has lost, to date, more than 100 billion American dollars, and the West is compensating it, but the conflict continues. Israel points out that it is a Crusader emirate, and the cost of its continuation is higher than the benefit that was created because of it, because the cost will increase over time, in addition to the illusion that it is a democracy, a deception that did not deceive anyone, and the illusion that the West wants the benefit of the Arabs, who are another, and their alliance with Israel militarily and their war with it makes clear the extent of the extreme weakness that Israel suffers from, and that it is It is no longer able to protect itself even from several thousand fighters who possess the weakest weapons. Also, economically, Israel will not be able to recover for a long time. Being a successful model for the West, its technologies have gradually become a failure.

 

[Sami_1]

Absolutely, if war breaks out, Egypt will have massive support,not doubts here.

This is completely wrong talk. Saudi Arabia was calling on America and Israel to attack Egypt in 1967 so that the UAE would be safe. Its alliance with Israel is very strong, and the economic alliance between Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia is directed primarily against Egypt, meaning that these countries claim to be friends with Egypt and are allied with its enemy in the first place. Who will give? A gunshot in the Emirates or Saudi Arabia. These countries have American weapons bases and American bases, and America maintains their presence in power, and none of them can move one centimeter away from the Americans.

 

[SuperWarrior]

This is completely wrong talk. Saudi Arabia was calling on America and Israel to attack Egypt in 1967 so that the UAE would be safe. Its alliance with Israel is very strong, and the economic alliance between Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia is directed primarily against Egypt, meaning that these countries claim to be friends with Egypt and are allied with its enemy in the first place. Who will give? A gunshot in the Emirates or Saudi Arabia. These countries have American weapons bases and American bases, and America maintains their presence in power, and none of them can move one centimeter away from the Americans.

You are not assesing the right way the issues.

American bases would exist the time Iran permits. If something has been shown to us, is Iran can take anything in west asia, for sure if not beyond. Anyone doubting still about that is very deranged.

I say to you, if war break up US will support Israel, but all arabs, Iran, Russia, China and maybe Turkiyeh would support Egypt.

This scenario has their probabilities to happen, because Israel is pushing gazans to Egypt by force. And Egyptians cannot tolerate that.

Saudi Arabia and emirates will have to support Egypt. iran is inthe equation of all future wars in the region. That s it a reality from now on, not a wish.

You people must understand the domino s effect, countries has their interests but are impacted by other events in other regions too, Russia and China cannot overlook issues happening in west asia, they simple cannot, because results impacts in all aspects,economy,military,balance of power and alliances, it s very complex it s a very chess master move at geopolitical level. Iran has a clear vision of all of this.

 

[Dalit]

This is not a war of one or two nations. Remember that Israel is getting help from the entire Western bandwagon. Just have a good look how they united and coordinated when Iran announced the missile attack. They started intercepting missiles on behalf of their Zionist poodle.

This conflict requires unity among all Islamic and civilised countries. Even then the challenge will be great.