Iranian Chill Thread

[tsunset]

uneducated people, brainwashed panahandeha ,

Pahlavis stand on Zionism. (which costed him the support of the Zio-US government in his last two years)

Could you translate the writings

 

[ParthianLord]

Could you translate the writings

"Shahnshah Reza Pahlavi: "We don’t want Jerusalem to remain under the control of Zionists."

"Shah n Shah Reza Pahlavi: "The holy Islamic sites should not remain under the control of Israel."

This was when Iran went into Alliance with Syria and Assads father

shah says"
Reza Pahlavi: "We will assist the Arab countries if there is a war with Israel."

"Shah n Shah Reza Pahlavi: "Israel will lose in the ultimate war."

and ofcoruse his english interviews

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as i said in my last post, he lost western (by that time already occupied by Zionists) support in his last two years of power.


He was a good friend of John F kennedy

who was killed by the Zionists because he wanted declare the Israeli lobby as foreign agents

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the last American presidents that were friends of Iran were John F Kennedy and Nixon,

after them Zionists took over and Pahlavi became a "Target"

 

[Persian Gulf]

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can we *deal with* this guy and all other pan turks ?

 

[muhammed45]

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can we *deal with* this guy and all other pan turks ?

What is the problem with speaking Turkish among Iranians?

I had a Kermani mate that learnt repeatedly used Turkish words from me. His intention was migrating to Turkey for business having almost 2 hectares of pistachio garden in Rafsanjan, he saw plenty of opportunities to do business with east European countries. With Turkish language, he could have an opportunity with Turkish speaking people in Hungary, Turks of Germany, Cyprus and other former Ottoman colonies in Europe.

Smart people see it as an opportunity.

Iranian people don't have any problem with their own local languages.

@Mehdipersian why is our friend @Persian Gulf trying to pretend as if there is an ethnic faultline in Iran?

Why choose Salehi? Formerly he was claiming that the former Iranian ambassador to Azerbaijan was a Pan Turk. Can you imagine a Tabari bro from Mazandaran be a Pan Turk? Or Salehi born in Karbala from a Qazvini father?

What is the purpose of these accusations?

 

[Mehdipersian]

What is the problem with speaking Turkish among Iranians?

I had a Kermani mate that learnt repeatedly used Turkish words from me. His intention was migrating to Turkey for business having almost 2 hectares of pistachio garden in Rafsanjan, he saw plenty of opportunities to do business with east European countries. With Turkish language, he could have an opportunity with Turkish speaking people in Hungary, Turks of Germany, Cyprus and other former Ottoman colonies in Europe.

Smart people see it as an opportunity.

Iranian people don't have any problem with their own local languages.

@Mehdipersian why is our friend @Persian Gulf trying to pretend as if there is an ethnic faultline in Iran?

Why choose Salehi? Formerly he was claiming that the former Iranian ambassador to Azerbaijan was a Pan Turk. Can you imagine a Tabari bro from Mazandaran be a Pan Turk? Or Salehi born in Karbala from a Qazvini father?

What is the purpose of these accusations?

Those who live outside of Iran have wrong ideas about Iran.

Persian Gulf is a good person , you think wrong about him

 

[HamidAgha]

Those who live outside of Iran have wrong ideas about Iran.

Persian Gulf is a good person , you think wrong about him

He never said he was a bad person, just questioning the ethnic division that he's always pushing.

 

[vmro]

He never said he was a bad person, just questioning the ethnic division that he's always pushing.

No way to avoid ethnic ideas, Sadam Hussein was also driven by hate for iranians, while turkish idea is cultural and ethnically projected influence on Iran...most influential turkish politicians are talking about huge turkish percentage in iran that is somehow oppressed by officials in Tehran...for such multicultural national tradition like iran, this is not naive at all...of course, iran irself should decide does it want to be first or second rate geopolitical player...

 

[Persian Gulf]

What is the problem with speaking Turkish among Iranians?

well do you see Turkish officials boasting about half their population speaking or being Persian ?!

if iran doesn't have a strong unifying identity we are finished and can be carved up by foreign influence very easily

by saying 40% of iranians speak Turkish Salehi is suggesting 40% of iranians are of Turkic origin somehow, what kind of proud nationalist will say this? your problem is that you are an islamist not a nationalist so you don't care about origin or culture or language as long as they are shia muslim. I am not religious but don't mind using an Iranian brand of Islam to unite people as part of our national identity.

in turkey they try to remove all arabic/persian loanwords from their language (Shah tried to do the same in Iran as well but it is harder with Persian since the influence of Arabic is greater) and here Salehi boasts that 40% of Iranians speak Turkish (which is not true to begin with), and then Azeri separatists and Turkish fanatics repeat his words with happiness and thank him for his great gift to their cause.

He never said he was a bad person, just questioning the ethnic division that he's always pushing.

I will always call out threats to Iran, from Israel and the USA to internal traitors and diaspora useful idiots. It's not an ethnic issue. Iran is a land of many ethnicities and languages, but we need some unifying factors as well and to not allow people to serve causes hostile to Iran.

 

[muhammed45]

by saying 40% of iranians speak Turkish Salehi is suggesting 40% of iranians are of Turkic origin somehow, what kind of proud nationalist will say this?

I don't think that he said something like that. Iranians are known to Turkish language is much different to Iranians are of Turkish origins.

You are writing in English, does that make you someone of English origin? You may speak in multiple languages, it doesn't make you lose your origins.

On the contrary speaking in different languages makes your mind stronger and also gives you more skills.

your problem is that you are an islamist not a nationalist so you don't care about origin or culture or language as long as they are shia muslim.

Well well. @Mehdipersian read this part.

in turkey they try to remove all arabic/persian loanwords from their language (Shah tried to do the same in Iran as well but it is harder with Persian since the influence of Arabic is greater) and here Salehi boasts that 40% of Iranians speak Turkish (which is not true to begin with), and then Azeri separatists and Turkish fanatics repeat his words with happiness and thank him for his great gift to their cause.

Now you resort to name calling.

Pan turk , without nationalism or maybe as you try to portray a traitor.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't think that he said something like that. Iranians are known to Turkish language is much different to Iranians are of Turkish origins.

You are writing in English, does that make you someone of English origin? You may speak in multiple languages, it doesn't make you lose your origins.

On the contrary speaking in different languages makes your mind stronger and also gives you more skills.

vast majority of people who speak Turkish generally are of some kind of Turkic background, it's not a lingua franca like English or even French

I ask again: do you see Turkish officials stating that half of turks speak persian and being proud of it? don't be so naive about their intentions here. why do you think Turkish and Azeri channels promoted that clip so happily?

Now you resort to name calling.

Pan turk , without nationalism or maybe as you try to portray a traitor.

show me the name calling?

 

[muhammed45]

He never said he was a bad person, just questioning the ethnic division that he's always pushing.

Iran as a country has always enjoyed different ethnics and different languages even different religions.

For Christians for instance, Iran is a paradise. For Jews, Iran is a tolerant country.

What @Persian Gulf is suggesting is not exactly strengthening Persian, on the contrary he wants alienating Persian in the region.

Persian language is strong thanks to the poets like Ferdowsi. And it will live forever with or without Arabic alphabets.

Azeri language will also live forever thanks to poets of Sharyar.

This unimaginable hatred that this guy has in his mind and heart is one of the greatest threats to Iran. Iran is Iran because of its diversity and tolerance and also, unity of it's different ethnics.

The only hope for unifying the lost lands is the same religious standards plus our mutual culture that people like this guy sees as a threat.

 

[muhammed45]

vast majority of people who speak Turkish generally are of some kind of Turkic background, it's not a lingua franca like English or even French

I ask again: do you see Turkish officials stating that half of turks speak persian and being proud of it? don't be so naive about their intentions here. why do you think Turkish and Azeri channels promoted that clip so happily?

I ask you again, does learning German language or Chinese or Russian, whatever, makes you lose your origin?

 

[Sarhang]

Muslim fanatics are the greatest threat to Irans culture and identity.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I ask you again, does learning German language or Chinese or Russian, whatever, makes you lose your origin?

well you didn't answer of my questions but sure I will answer you again: it depends on the context of your neighbours and threats to unity and separatism and logical utility of the language. Chinese is no threat to unity and is a very useful and important language to learn. same for English (global lingua franca, mastery of which is essential in today's globalised world).

Turkish is not in that category so to boast that half your population speak it is a lie and not clever. Turkic separatists claim 40% of Iran is Turkish then Salehi says 40% of Iranians speak Turkish...! Turks will NEVER boast about Persian being that popular in Turkey. Nor will any other proud nation... we need unifying factors to establish the Iranian identity. I am not religious but can see that Islam is able to play a positive role in that, as Iranians had a major influence on the development of Islam from the inside out.

we should be honest. diversity is a strength and inherent part of the Persian nation but can also be a weakness that can be exploited by enemies, as it is in every country. we should not fuel those enemies.

 

[muhammed45]

well you didn't answer of my questions but sure I will answer you again: it depends on the context of your neighbours and threats to unity and separatism and logical utility of the language. Chinese is no threat to unity and is a very useful and important language to learn. same for English (global lingua franca, mastery of which is essential in today's globalised world).

Turkish is not in that category so to boast that half your population speak it is a lie and not clever. Turkic separatists claim 40% of Iran is Turkish then Salehi says 40% of Iranians speak Turkish...! Turks will NEVER boast about Persian being that popular in Turkey. Nor will any other proud nation... we need unifying factors to establish the Iranian identity. I am not religious but can see that Islam is able to play a positive role in that, as Iranians had a major influence on the development of Islam from the inside out.

we should be honest. diversity is a strength and inherent part of the Persian nation but can also be a weakness that can be exploited by enemies, as it is in every country. we should not fuel those enemies.

Their language is full of Persian words. Whether Azeri or Turkey

Its a Zionist plan to remove Persian words from Azeri and Turkish language. You repeat them in an other way.

Instead of falling in the same trap, you have to insist on mutual points and defend Persian language by criticizing their actions not falling in the same plan.

For example in France they learn German and Visa verse. While we know that some elements in France are of German origin and Hitler made them his excuse to invade France and Poland.

I repeat myself, Iran is Iran because of tolerance and diversity . History gas proved that tolerant people always prevail not the racist or fascist bunch.