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Iranian Chill Thread
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Cancerous Tumor
Registered Member
Things started like this ... 
این حالت نگاه کردن از زیر رو اگه جایی دیدید فورا از منطقه دور شید
این حالت نگاه کردن از زیر رو اگه جایی دیدید فورا از منطقه دور شید
vmro
Registered Member
Safavid idea is masterpiece in history, they created neo-iranian empire in only possible way, preserving portion of persian culture and iranian imperialism, with shia islam area of influence...in europe, many scholars view concept of finalizing shia islam as iranian revenge for arab's conquering, or - persia strikes back...iran became leader of it's former invaders, key player from the persian gulf to mediterranean sea, ancient sphere of influence for iranian nationhood...i read one great dissertation "islamisation of iran - iranization of islam"...
And from any point of view, this 3 pillars, iranian institutional tradition, persian culture and shia islam are making iran such melting uniqueness...and way to preserve major regional power ...
Which other way is possible for iran? aryan land concept? Very hard way to project power to Tajikistan, and part of china and russia, having turkish state as rival also... so, conflict with 3 major powers, for barely useful area....
I mean, in geopolitical sense, this way of iranian projection in west asia, or middle east, crucial global region btw, is geopolitical masterpiece, shia islam is iranian interest more than vice-versa...I'm writing this as iranian fan, in love with persian culture and ancient empires...just my honest opinion...cheers
Cancerous Tumor
Registered Member
تصویر بالا مربوط به جهاد خود کفایی نیروی هوایی 1980~می شد
جالبه که در طول جنگ هر نیرویی اگر جایی چیزی کم میاورد و یا نیاز به چیزی داشته سراغ نیروی هوایی می رفته که این نشون میده از نظر علم و صنعت ایران منهای امریکا کجا ایستاده بوده
All Saturn V launches, 1967–1973
جالبه که در طول جنگ هر نیرویی اگر جایی چیزی کم میاورد و یا نیاز به چیزی داشته سراغ نیروی هوایی می رفته که این نشون میده از نظر علم و صنعت ایران منهای امریکا کجا ایستاده بوده
All Saturn V launches, 1967–1973
vmro
Registered Member
Don't get me wrong, but I think that focus on this jets is story of distraction from the real deal...IMHO, at least 2 main reasons are behind this, first thing is tactical and strategic decreased importance of hyper expensive jets for minimal gains...second thing, power projection of iran is on irgc, they are new iranian imperial fist, offensive and defensive high level... i mean, at the end, iran will have this jets, but they will be probably lest important segment of the ongoing process ...iranian actual work in military improvement with russians is known for probably few persons from both sides...
This is actually biggest headache for TelAviv and reason for this chaotic state in the entity...however, iran will be able to provide new level in military potential, not based on any emotional growth, but for russians strong iran will allow easier coping strategies... because they don't have significant issues with each other...
Cancerous Tumor
Registered Member
این مردم ما هم عجیب مردمی هستند
شاید بخاطر این باشه که ما خیلی در مورد تاریخ کار نکردیم و یا نصفه نیمه کار شده
این چند روز مستند های نیرو هوایی رو میدیدم که اسم آلمان تو 1 مورد وسط اومد
اونم رفتن 10-15 تا خلبان فانتوم به آلمان و احتمال قرارداد با اون ها و با رضایت آمریکا برای تحویل گرفتن یه تعداد فانتوم از آلمان بود
فکر کنم سال 2-3 جنگ باشه و فرانسه داره به عراق هواپیما میده حتی به صورت اجاره ای !!
ولی این موضوع ایران-آلمان-آمریکا به سر انجام نمیرسه
خلاصه این همکاری شوروی و فرانسه در عراق خیلی به ضرر آلمان تمام نشد ولی حتما به ضرر ایران بود
داستان شیمیایی ها هم که به کنار
عجیب مردمی هستیم
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
Scale is vote of the people
www.asriran.com
صف مردم برای دریافت کتاب خاطرات دکتر ظریف در نمایشگاه کتاب (فیلم)
چاپ چهارم خاطرات ۸ساله ظریف در نمایشگاه عرضه شده و جشن امضای کتاب با حضور محمدجواد ظریف، ساعت ۱۷ امروز در غرفه انتشارات اطلاعات برگزار میشود
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Khorasan Black Flags
Trusted Member
Zarif the shameless traitor who stopped our nuclear high tech and space programs for 8 yearsScale is vote of the people
صف مردم برای دریافت کتاب خاطرات دکتر ظریف در نمایشگاه کتاب (فیلم)
چاپ چهارم خاطرات ۸ساله ظریف در نمایشگاه عرضه شده و جشن امضای کتاب با حضور محمدجواد ظریف، ساعت ۱۷ امروز در غرفه انتشارات اطلاعات برگزار میشود
Khorasan Black Flags
Trusted Member
A bit old but gold:
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
Stop your nonsense political agenda zarif is a politician who can deliver. And he negotiated what all levels of government and .... agreed on.Zarif the shameless traitor who stopped our nuclear high tech and space programs for 8 years
As Mr. Khomeini said the scale is vote of the people .
Khorasan Black Flags
Trusted Member
Stop your nonsense
8 years of Rouhani was worse than 135 years of Qajars
And popularity of Rouhani is less than 8%
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
The scale is vote of the people
And jcpoa was not zarif decision it's was everybody who was somebody decision
muhammed45
Elite Member
That's true and should always be true. Even if that prick Mousavi lost elections. Isn't it? But hey, I guess law applies only when it suits ego of a few people.
Btw tell us, What would Zarif mention in his memories I wonder? That he trusted west and he hadn't properly read the JCPOA? That he didn't exactly know the difference between 'lifting' and 'cancellation, abolition'? You just imagine that our foreign minister who claimed to be a professor in English language couldn't recognize that lift cannot be permanently but only temporarily. After Khatami, Iran never accepted the additional protocols but at the time of Zarif, we accepted it.
I wouldn't waste a Rial on his stupid book. John Kerry fooled Zarif in a way that the guy cannot even deny that.
Zarif was a traitor or not, it doesn't really matter. What matters is, he gave up nuclear program, cemented our reactors, sent our scientists to middle of a no where in UAE along with space program scientists in the hope of selling oil and Mashallah Mashahllah of western backstabbers. All those points were given up just to sell oil.
Zarif was the wannabe Mosaddeq but Trump didn't even accept that level of humiliation that Zarif had brought to himself and his country. Zarif couldn't become Mosaddeq but he became half-Qaddafi. He was lucky that he failed to finish Qaddafi's process and Iranian missile program wasn't sent to negotiating table thanks to resistance of leadership.
SuperWarrior
Registered Member
Zarif and iranian policy of tha epoch has been a proben disgrace. Unfourtunately.
A lot of years of retards and retardation diplomacy missions and betting for a useless deal US torn apart when Trump reached to administration.
This was a disgraced period, Iran conceded years that can be invested on a serious class space program ,serious nukes and serious ICBMs. Hope never repeat itself. Iran cannot waste more time.
Iran will be in war in coming, days, weeks, months or years, no one knows due to the dynamics the region events are. Iran must not destroy itself believing in stupid diplomacy.
Diplomacy never works. Never.
Immortals
Elite Member
Criticizing Zarif negotiating skills is understandable, although I doubt the Iranians would truly have made a difference strategically in winning any more major demands no matter who the diplomatic team was. The western world has been negotiating arms treaties long before modern Iran.
That aside, the JCPOA and it’s subsequent adherence was accepted by all major power factions (and majils) and the National Security council as well as the SL himself.
Thus wether Zarif got hoodwinked or not or was capable or not is irrelevant. Iran signed the deal based on the redlines it thought it could achieve.
The problem was lack of foresight into how hated Iran is inside US Congress and how toxic supporting any type of diplomatic deal is for your US senators. The deal should never have been negotiated with the liberals and should have been negotiated with the republicans of America. If you cannot get the Republicans (conservative faction) onboard, then your agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written. Might as well throw it away.
Iran realized this in 1980 when it negotiated with Reagan and not Jimmy Carter. Seems like they forgot how power dynamics work in the US, even though the conservative vs liberal struggle inside Congress is irrily similar to Iran’s own political factions.
