Unrest in AJK Update and Discussion

[Goenitz]

all sorted for now. I hope the Govt keeps its promise this time. I wonder what the IMF will say.

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

You don't need to do that

You just need to do some simple logical steps that no one will dare to do

1- dissolve all army business
2- ban army from agriculture and dairy farming (hell at ghazi air base that was taken over from WAPDA you can see all the base commanders have dairy farms for themselves on govt money, don't believe it come and see)
3- ban all BMWs
4- ban all private clubs and golf clubs
5- ban batman culture or wives of army generals
6- ban govt posts for retired army personel (they can go into private sector if they are qualified).
7- ban two retirements(sometimes three).
8- reduce army size to logical size ..small and lethal force is needed

You missed big few big one
- stop giving free plots/land.
- No dual citizen s be allowed in Pakistan government jobs or military. I would say no dual citizenship.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

Watch yesterday's press conference of KP CM. He has also given warning to Federal government regarding load shedding and payment of KPK produced electricity to the province.

Totally different issues
KP CM is asking for Royalties as per law that fed gov is struggling to pay in recent years and only reason he is not pushing this further than he could have is because of the country's financial situation

What these protestors are asking for on the other hand is simply preposterous - Give free electricity or energy at production cost, give all the AJK dams to AJK gov for them to sell back to rest of the country, no GST, property Taxes, Income taxes, Subsidy on 48 food items

Some demands like local gov etc are alright

 

[MapleKing]

Totally different issues
KP CM is asking for Royalties as per law that fed gov is struggling to pay in recent years and only reason he is not pushing this further than he could have is because of the country's financial situation

What these protestors are asking for is simply preposterous - Give free electricity or energy at production cost, give all the AJK dams to AJK gov for them to sell back to rest of the country, no GST, property Taxes, Income taxes, Subsidy on 48 food items

Some demands like local gov etc are alright

The main demands from what I have been able to gather are:
-electricity at production rate
-flour subsidy akin to GB
-curtailing of govt. privilages

apparently, some promises made when mangla dam was built that weren't fulfilled. i can't comment on this as i don't know the history. whatever the case, govt. should handle this with care especially given that india is pumping billions into iok.

 

[Masai]

Balochs are un-happy, Kashmiris are protesting but the rulers control media narrative to keep Pakistanis fixated to Palestine.

 

[Masai]

The main demands from what I have been able to gather are:
-electricity at production rate
-flour subsidy akin to GB

Demands are fair.

Their land was taken for constructing Dam, their water irrigates entire Pakistan so they should also get benefit from the dam and Hydro power that's generated from their land

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

The main demands from what I have been able to gather are:
-electricity at production rate

Why? That's dirt cheap energy
Why should AJK be given dirt cheap energy while industries in Karachi, Faisalabad are not? Whose taxes paid for the dam especially karachis and is still paying for the dam
why not Sindh whose coal we are all benefiting from? why not communities around nuclear power plants? why not urban middle class paying up for all those who are not paying thier fair share of bills? why not the salaried classes whose money goes into buying of imported oil and gas for energy?

Royalties is fair but the production cost, free electricity would set a bad precedent

-flour subsidy akin to GB

Why? why are they so special?
GB, Chitral I can understand because of low pop, transportation costs etc

Give money to AJK gov and let them figure out all the "subsidies" they are willing to give but nothing should come out of federal budget except for Higher education and other such federal responsibilities

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[MapleKing]

Why? That's dirt cheap energy
Why should AJK be given dirt cheap energy while industries in Karachi, Faisalabad are not? whose taxes paid for the dam especially karachis
why not Sindh whose coal we are all benefitting from?

Why? why are they so special?
GB, Chitral I can understand because of low pop, transportation costs etc

Then keep doing what you are doing. You will find out soon enough. Kashmir is still a disputed territory and technically not Pakistan. People are just asking for what was commited to them when Mangla was built. Either don't make the commitment. If you do, then fulfill them.

 

[Masai]

Why? That's dirt cheap energy
Why should AJK be given dirt cheap energy while industries in Karachi, Faisalabad are not? Whose taxes paid for the dam especially karachis and is still paying for the dam
why not Sindh whose coal we are all benefiting from? why not communities around nuclear power plants? why not urban middle class paying up for all those who are not paying thier fair share of bills? why not the salaried classes whose money goes into buying of imported oil and gas for energy?

Royalties is fair but the production cost, free electricity would set a bad precedent

Why? why are they so special?
GB, Chitral I can understand because of low pop, transportation costs etc

Give money to AJK gov and let them figure out all the "subsidies" they are willing to give but nothing should come out of federal budget except for Higher education and other such federal responsibilities

Official demands

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When you stole Kashmiri land to construct dam and steal their water to irrigate your wheat farms- at least they can be given hydro-electricity and wheat at cost.This is what Kashmiris are demanding and it's fair.

May be take this to International Court of Justice and see what they say.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

If they can steal from AJK, the most educated region in Pakistan with literacy above 90%, I wonder what these mafias steal from KPK and Balochistan, and GB Baltistan is also Kashmir.

what is your definition of stealing?

 

[WildApache]

All resolved the Pakistanis accept all demands made by the Kashmiris .

Fucking thieves got a beating they'll remember

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

When you stole Kashmiri land to construct dam

Just like you "stole" our ports to import stuff, use our highways, use our universities, use our food, use our airports
Just like that we stole your land to build a dam that we paid for and are paying for its upkeep

If you dont know how entire regions not just countries rely on each others strength to generate value than you deserve to live in your bumfrington town bartering your way through life
Go argue with a wall

and steal their water to irrigate your wheat farms

For 5000 years we have been stealing your water so have been the whole of Indus Valley to irrigate thier lands
Do something about it
Send in the army to stop the water flow downstream

- at least they can be given hydro-electricity

Pay for the dam and its upkeep through taxes over a period of couple decades and then you can call it "yours" till than its not

and wheat at cost.This is what Kashmiris are demanding and it's fair.

Delusions are not fair

May be take this to International Court of Justice and see what they say.

Take it to the international court of Orangi town
I'll send in my lawyers

 

[newb3e]

Just like you "stole" our ports to import stuff, use our highways, use our universities, use our food, use our airports
Just like that we stole your land to build a dam that we paid for and are paying for its upkeep

If you dont know how entire regions not just countries rely on each others strength to generate value than you deserve to live in your bumfrington town bartering your way through life
Go argue with a wall

For 5000 years we have been stealing your water so have been the whole of Indus Valley to irrigate thier lands
Do something about it
Send in the army to stop the water flow downstream

Pay for the dam and its upkeep through taxes over a period of couple decades and then you can call it "yours" till than its not

Delusions are not fair

Take it to the international court of Orangi town
I'll send in my lawyers

its not you or we its them these fking elites and the mouaziz bs idara protecting them who are stealing and putting all the burden on the people they control all the resources make money get rich use resources as their personal treasure and Pakistanis suffer! its the system that needs to be uprooted and a just system of distribution of resources needs to be implemented which benefits the people and not the servants yes fking PA thats you!

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

its not you or we its them these fking elites and the mouaziz bs idara protecting them who are stealing and putting all the burden on the people they control all the resources make money get rich use resources as their personal treasure and Pakistanis suffer! its the system that needs to be uprooted and a just system of distribution of resources needs to be implemented which benefits the people and not the servants yes fking PA thats you!

Mere payare Bhaijan
Elite subsidies amount to $17 billion yearly so when I am talking about subsidy culture they are my first target
Its the urban middle thats keeping this country afloat not the elite nor do the "you stole my water like you have been for 5000 years of civilizational history" crew

F army too, I 100% agree

I am just arguing with him in the language he understands that's all; I agree with your general sentiments most of the time

 

[JaneBhiDoYaaron]

No it wasn't bound to happen if Mujeeb had been given his right to form the government, instead army installed a government who lost the elections, similarly what they are doing today.

It was bound to happen even if power was given to Mujib. In that case demand would have been from west pakistan. Both countries were geographically and culturally too far to stay as one country.