Clashes with Afghan Taliban break out again: Taliban removing fence and covering for TTP infiltration

[Dalit]

Dear @Dalit I am a follower of your posts and i have learnt a lot from your bravely and valuable replies in different threads and for a fact, I know that you have a patriot charcter.

But let me criticize Pakistan. Just a couple of days ago American terrorist the head of CENTCOM visited Pakistan and also he was present on your border areas. That's way too dangerous and it conveys much more dangerous massages. These bastards were the ones that heliborned ISIS into Syria. USA is a destabilizing element.

Talibani minister says that USA transfers ISIS into Afghanistan through Pakistan and the Pakistani side is scapegoating Afghans.

Now I am not going to defend Talibs. They have done much to hurt us in the past.

But the guy had a point.

USA will try to leave Afghanistan and Pakistan lock horn over border issues. And in this chaos they will end their own mission covertly.

Pakistanis obviously don't want ISIS on their border but as it seems USA is on a mission. They might import ISIS under cover without Pakistanis noticing it. Don't trust them, it is a great threat to Pakistan. The attacks on Chinese engineers must be a wake up call to you 99.99% of Pakistanis. That 0.01 % is the same bunch that enables USA to play ISIS card against China and Afghanistan and Iran with JuA. And Pakistan itself in the long run. Your country has to recognize those betraying elements before it's too late.

Afghan- Pakistan issue must be solved through dialogue.

Bro, I agree with everything you say. I am absolutely for peace between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Heck, we have family across the border. As long as the Afghans don't get over their territorial disputes with Pakistan you can't expect meaningful peace. It is really up to the Afghans.

 

[RealNapster]

If it were true, than no security person had been killed in the past few years. Just remember, you are just fighting with small groups

You are confusing state of Afghanistan with non-state actors. Afghanistan, as a nation, can not sustain continuous bombing.

Really? Does Pakistan have as many resources as the United States?

Is the way such things work so easy

How many artillery pieces, helicopters, jets, tanks Afghanistan have ? Maybe close to 500 ? Can be dealth within 200 sorties of JF-17/J-10/F-16s.

I am sure we can afford that. To ensure a future of 10 years in which State of Afghanistan poses no serious threat to us. The aim is not to destroy Afghanistan but to destroy it's offensive and defensive capabilities to make it unable to attack and defend.

 

[Baadil]

Heck, we have family across the border.

So is your family then a hybrid between enemy and foe? Or do you mean that Afghanistan, not Afghans, “is a permanent enemy of Pakistan”. And such predicament is not analogous to cross-border Pakistani-Indian familial ties

 

[Baadil]

You are confusing state of Afghanistan with non-state actors. Afghanistan, as a nation, can not sustain continuous bombing.



How many artillery pieces, helicopters, jets, tanks Afghanistan have ? Maybe close to 500 ? Can be dealth within 200 sorties of JF-17/J-10/F-16s.

I am sure we can afford that. To ensure a future of 10 years in which State of Afghanistan poses no serious threat to us. The aim is not to destroy Afghanistan but to destroy it's offensive and defensive capabilities to make it unable to attack and defend.

Asymmetric warfare through leveraging civilian discontent. The state may not pose a threat, but it’s ideological manifestations are perceived to due to persisting identity crisis of Pakistani nationalism

 

[SaadH]

IK is already align with them …is this another East Pakistan happening where Taliban are coming in to rescue the pathans from Pak army ?

More like Abdali coming to save punjabi musalmans from their contemporaneous tormentors.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Book a Property for these Afghan in Dubai too , or rent them a house

Problem will be solved at border

 

[Mrc]

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[That_Guy]

Why don't we just bomb the shiit out of their posts in that region.
Caz few hundred casuality and they will learn

Causing a few hundred casualties will likely lead to the Afghans declaring open war.

However, I think Pakistanis need to finally get their heads out of their asses, and stop pretending Afghanistan can ever be friendly to Pakistan.

The best course of action is the complete dissolution of the territory known as Afghanistan, and redraw borders along political and tribal lines.

 

[Mrc]

Pak side seems to have opened up with field artillery and tanks. Expect heavy causality on afghan side tonight especially if air assets or drones are used

Its called superior fire power totally different war than what a guerilla force can fight

 

[KAAFIR]

Because Pakistan military is well aware about the situation.

When Soviet and USA, can't win against Afghanistan, Pakistan has no chance.

It will be disaster for Pakistan and situation will be worst than 2000s in Pakistan if they go fully offensive.

Going strongly offensive means, you will have a permanent enemy at your West border and gorilla war is more problematic, it is not easy to deal with

Best option for Pakistan to tight security at border fence as India does between india and Pakistani borders

Sometimes okay to go offensive but with limits... This will be the best deAl.

It is not like that Pakistan can't win. There is a big difference between US and soviet thousands miles away and Pakistan the right next at the door. Pakistan has a big advantage than US and soviet. It has a big standing army at Afgan border and all resources, intel and people.
But the problem is, huge corruption and dishonesty within the armed forces. Many army people itself are involved in leaking informations to TTP and Taliban. And those who are ruling the army doesn't want to end the conflict. Bcz if it ends, they will lose big business. No one cares about foot soldiers.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

You are confusing state of Afghanistan with non-state actors. Afghanistan, as a nation, can not sustain continuous bombing.



How many artillery pieces, helicopters, jets, tanks Afghanistan have ? Maybe close to 500 ? Can be dealth within 200 sorties of JF-17/J-10/F-16s.

I am sure we can afford that. To ensure a future of 10 years in which State of Afghanistan poses no serious threat to us. The aim is not to destroy Afghanistan but to destroy it's offensive and defensive capabilities to make it unable to attack and defend.

Even this is overdoing it.

What Pakistan needs to do is secure its border - strike TTP infrastructure. That will be enough.

You can also destroy any conventional weaponry they have to weaken them from offensives.

Those comparing this to America are stupid, Pakistan is not trying to occupy Kabul and build up their country. It wants to seek and destroy.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You are confusing state of Afghanistan with non-state actors. Afghanistan, as a nation, can not sustain continuous bombing.



How many artillery pieces, helicopters, jets, tanks Afghanistan have ? Maybe close to 500 ? Can be dealth within 200 sorties of JF-17/J-10/F-16s.

I am sure we can afford that. To ensure a future of 10 years in which State of Afghanistan poses no serious threat to us. The aim is not to destroy Afghanistan but to destroy it's offensive and defensive capabilities to make it unable to attack and defend.

That's funny that you believe that.

Most members are unaware of the past history, which led to the present crisis in your West border.

In order to install a puppet government, Soviets and West (Pakistan supported the West). They mutually destroy a country.

Since 1970s, Pakistan has made a lot of mistakes. Meanwhile, you ignored everything because you were getting dollars and military equipment.

Because of wrongdoing from 1979, a series of events have led to the current situation, but why is Pakistan the only victim? Why not China and Iran, who are also Afghanistan's neighbors?

The destruction of Afghanistan is equally the fault of the United States of America, the Soviet Union, Pakistan, and a few other nations. Pakistan went above and beyond line by housing armed Taliban and offering training, etc.

Iran handled things throughout that period extremely effectively.

The current state of affairs is the result of blunders made by both Pakistani government and other parties.

actual real victims are afghan people.

 

[Awan68]

We need to take the gloves off against Tali's, these half-assed tit for tat measures are not working, we need to send across a message that any infiltration from the Afghan side will be met with heavy and continued airstrikes against TTP and if the TTA react to that at the border we shall bomb them to oblivion.

 

[Lulldapull]

We need to take the gloves off against Tali's, these half-assed tit for tat measures are not working, we need to send across a message that any infiltration from the Afghan side will be met with heavy and continued airstrikes against TTP and if the TTA react to that at the border we shall bomb them to oblivion.

Pincer movement can solve this drama bro.......Go in from Chaman in da south and push N west about 100 miles in deep. Same from up north from Kohat push in SW. Complete a big cordon/ encirclement. Trap them all in. Then smash them with drones and air power. Sweep up the cauldron later.......retreat back.

We can do it......and it will be epic.

Afghanio ne baaz ne aana.......no matter what.