Clashes with Afghan Taliban break out again: Taliban removing fence and covering for TTP infiltration

[MastanKhan]

The Soviets, the US and Pakistan don't have the same mission.

The US and Soviets were on a nation building mission

Pakistan is on a mission of **self-defence** which means securing a border and striking any targets that pose a threat

Hi,

If it comes to that---pakistan would decimate afg the likes of which they never imagined---.

 

[Mrc]

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[Awan68]

Pincer movement can solve this drama bro.......Go in from Chaman in da south and push N west about 100 miles in deep. Same from up north from Kohat push in SW. Complete a big cordon/ encirclement. Trap them all in. Then smash them with drones and air power. Sweep up the cauldron later.......retreat back.

We can do it......and it will be epic.

Afghanio ne baaz ne aana.......no matter what.

Amen to that.

 

[arjunk]

AFghan high command is claiming they have no control over their border forces and cannot implement a ceasefire (condition for re opening border trade, which afghans are begging for).

All Afghan nationals who do not want to be considered a rogue hostile combatant should withdraw 20km behind the Durrand line for the next 5-10 years... Whoever remains will be obliterated.

 

[RealNapster]

Asymmetric warfare through leveraging civilian discontent. The state may not pose a threat, but it’s ideological manifestations are perceived to due to persisting identity crisis of Pakistani nationalism

That is something we are facing for the past 77 years. No issue

 

[RealNapster]

That's funny that you believe that.

Most members are unaware of the past history, which led to the present crisis in your West border.

In order to install a puppet government, Soviets and West (Pakistan supported the West). They mutually destroy a country.

Since 1970s, Pakistan has made a lot of mistakes. Meanwhile, you ignored everything because you were getting dollars and military equipment.

Because of wrongdoing from 1979, a series of events have led to the current situation, but why is Pakistan the only victim? Why not China and Iran, who are also Afghanistan's neighbors?

The destruction of Afghanistan is equally the fault of the United States of America, the Soviet Union, Pakistan, and a few other nations. Pakistan went above and beyond line by housing armed Taliban and offering training, etc.

Iran handled things throughout that period extremely effectively.

The current state of affairs is the result of blunders made by both Pakistani government and other parties.

actual real victims are afghan people.

Well. Your knowledge of history starts from the day USSR attacked Afghanistan and West/Pak went against them.

My history starts from the day when King of Afghanistan attacked Pakistan using it's regular forces. And he repeated the same mistake 2 more times. Pakistan tribal belt has been attacked by Afghan kings 3 times. It is only then that Pak realised Afghanistan won't let it survive. So it sought Allies. UsSR attack on Afghanistan was that opportunity for Pakistan which it took. This is not Pakistan's "blunder", but availed opportunity"

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

More like Abdali coming to save punjabi musalmans from their contemporaneous tormentors.

Muhajir racial fantasies still persisting in 2024? Jerk off in private bro about your domination fantasies.

I absolutely hate these cringe racially insecure history nerds under the guise of "musalaman" because you sound exactly like Hindus and behave like them lmao.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Well. Your knowledge of history starts from the day USSR attacked Afghanistan and West/Pak went against them.

My history starts from the day when King of Afghanistan attacked Pakistan using it's regular forces. And he repeated the same mistake 2 more times. Pakistan tribal belt has been attacked by Afghan kings 3 times. It is only then that Pak realised Afghanistan won't let it survive. So it sought Allies. UsSR attack on Afghanistan was that opportunity for Pakistan which it took. This is not Pakistan's "blunder", but availed opportunity"

Finally a Pakistani that actually understands their diplomatic history with Afghanistan.

Can you believe it that even on a defence forum, 80% of Pakistanis here don't even know about the past clashes in Bajaur or about the Durrand line claims from Afghanistan?

I swear these people are delusional no wonder their country is a dysfunctional piece of crap

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Afghan Taliban bringing military reinforcements, they claim they will do Jihad against Pakistan as its more important than even against Jews.

They've turned their own personal nationalistic fued for land into some religious thing.

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[Mrloveday]

@Circadian Rhythm @Mrloveday @SoulSpokesman

Moderator Joe Shearer reprimanded me, issued a warning and deleted my post for basically saying the same thing as in this quote.

Atleast he didn't ban you. Show some gratitude.

Other Indian Mods aren't so merciful.

 

[Agha Sher]

Some of you here are really saying retarded stuff. Pakistan does not have the capacity nor will to enforce any of your wet dreams.

Anyway this is not how problems are solved among neighbors. common sense needs to prevail.

Also, keep in mind that the perspective being share here is most certainly no the entire truth of what is going on.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Well. Your knowledge of history starts from the day USSR attacked Afghanistan and West/Pak went against them.

My history starts from the day when King of Afghanistan attacked Pakistan using it's regular forces. And he repeated the same mistake 2 more times. Pakistan tribal belt has been attacked by Afghan kings 3 times. It is only then that Pak realised Afghanistan won't let it survive. So it sought Allies. UsSR attack on Afghanistan was that opportunity for Pakistan which it took. This is not Pakistan's "blunder", but availed opportunity"

Ist India and Pakistan fought the war in 1948 and 1965??

Regarding Afghanistan Pakistan went above the line by interfering other country internal affairs and try to install a puppet government.
Later once joined by Soviet, due to cold war.. USA joined and then Pakistan made a lot of blunders..

Well if you say, opportunity, then what Pakistan got benefits by doing so????

From 1979, Pakistan got only dollars and a few military equipments free during the era but lost many things if you just a look and review properly.

Pakistan still paying the price what they did between 1970s to 1992, enjoyment period was short between 1989 to 2001 when Afghanistan became backyard of Pakistan.

But if I review as a third party - Pakistan lost many things - most importantly: human lives, lost opportunity for business and foreign investors due to security etc etc .. there are many important points I can add. Which lost by Pakistan.

Again I question - what Pakistan got after interfering in Afghanistan? Is Taliban agreed with Pakistan on Durand line?

 

[Guru Dutt]

Regarding Afghanistan Pakistan went above the line by interfering other country internal affairs and try to install a puppet government.


Again I question - what Pakistan got after interfering in Afghanistan?

THey got as per Donald Trump more than 33 Billion Dollars and almost same ammount of weapons and since early 1980s till just a few years back there entire officers of Army , Navy , Air force and special forces got training in best US militarry schools and all that free of cost

besides that there militarry higher rank officers made billions in illeagel weappons and Drug Trade from Afghanistan that they controlled wia Haqqanni and Gudbuddin Hykmetyar group but since Taliban came to power solo again after US left the tallibunnies stopped giving pakistani militarry Junta there cutt in the weapons and drug trade ... bass kirpa yaheen atki hui hai sirji

but for Pakistan as a nation they sure got a very bad deal cause since 1960s till 2011 they had just taken 62 billion Foriegn Loans but after Kerry Lugar Bill came into force since then they form 2011 have taken 65 billion forien loans more to run there nation

while all those war remmitences and coilation support funds and US AID or monitarry aid that Pakistan got from Europe and USA and UNESCO for KEEPING AFGHAN Refugees went back to USA/UK/EUROPE and Dubai ... just as so called Dubai leeks have just established

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

THey got as per Donald Trump more than 33 Billion Dollars and almost same ammount of weapons and since early 1980s till just a few years back there entire officers of Army , Navy , Air force and special forces got training in best US militarry schools and all that free of cost

besides that there militarry higher rank officers made billions in illeagel weappons and Drug Trade from Afghanistan that they controlled wia Haqqanni and Gudbuddin Hykmetyar group but since Taliban came to power solo again after US left the tallibunnies stopped giving pakistani militarry Junta there cutt in the weapons and drug trade ... bass kirpa yaheen atki hui hai sirji

but for Pakistan as a nation they sure got a very bad deal cause since 1960s till 2011 they had just taken 62 billion Foriegn Loans but after Kerry Lugar Bill came into force since then they form 2011 have taken 65 billion forien loans more to run there nation

while all those war remmitences and coilation support funds and US AID or monitarry aid that Pakistan got from Europe and USA and UNESCO for KEEPING AFGHAN Refugees went back to USA/UK/EUROPE and Dubai ... just as so called Dubai leeks have just established

Yeah, I have the same point - mostly people don't understand here

Pakistan has lost many opportunities in past 75 years, they are having less population than India, have better geographical location for connectivity with the Western world, Iran is next to provide oil and gas, etc

today Pakistan could be better than Taiwan, south Korea etc... but they went wrong direction

Now fencing at borders and deporting Afghani from Pakistan, it's a very right move but due to blunders in past causing the challenges

 

[Gadreel]

Taliban shot down Pakistan army helicopter, wait for the photo evidence.