Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Bags Another Fighter Deal, Media Says; India’s LCA Tejas Banks On Massive IAF Contract

[Bhojpuranchali]

Sir Ji Forget what the so called Article by that "Ritu Sharma" Says

ADSA-HAL or be it MOD & PMO and even IAF had made it pretty clear from day 1 LCA was never meant to be an export oriented platform like what chinese wanted from JF17


ADA-HAL desigend LCA as a Light fighter for Patrol and excort roles that too Indiside Indian territory to replace 1960s era Mig21s but deu to constant goal post changes and new requirement added every time ADA-HAL met the last ones LCA Morphed into worlds smallest supersonic MRCA in its catogory thats supersonick at all alltitudes and still carry 5250 Kgs externally and now has a AESA radar and new gen onboard self protection suite and latest HOBS capability and entire LCA programme till its first 40 MK1 copies were made along with all those 4500 hours of testing and making of diffrent labs /fuel and avionics and weapon systems costed little over 2.3 Billion US dollars since its first flight tell me another fighter programme that achieved all this under this costs

while JF17 was baught /develpd by china-pakistan as nothing else was on offer to pakistanby west or russia nor could it afford anything else axept chinese who sold them JF17 which they themselfs did not use as it was not usefull in there doctroine deu to its .. khair janne do sannu ki

as for record JF17 was always a chines made fighter and chines had all the IP rights but since JF17 had a Russian RD93 engine could not market it to those markets where potentially Mig29 was oferred under its agreement with Russians they chose a clever JOINT DEVELOPMENT strategy and sold PAC Kamra assembelled fighters as jointy develpoed fighters

The combat range of Tejas MK1A is 739 kilometres its much higher than the 550 kilometres combat range of F16

• The F-16 Fighting Falcon's combat radius is 550 km (340 mi) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 450 kg (1,000 lb) bombs.

Radius of action - Wikipedia

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Tejas Mk 2 languishes amid lack of funds

India's Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk 2 programme is languishing without funding, months after the project was approved by New Delhi.

www.janes.com

Jackson FRAes, Paul (27 April 2017). Jane's All the World's Aircraft: Development & Production 2017-2018 (2017-2018) (105th ed.). Jane's Information Group. p. 244

 

[Guru Dutt]

The combat range of Tejas MK1A is 780 kilometres its much higher than the 550 kilometres combat range of F16

There is no comparrission between F16's 780Km combat radius and LCAs 500 to 550 that too with very minimal load of just 6 air to air missiles

LCA was never meant to be a deep strike long range intercptor or fighter bomber its itself as name suggests a LIGHT COMBAT FIGHTER

while F16 is a medium wieght class multi role fighter bomber and it has a pair CFTs hence its all 9 hard points could be utilised for weapons and it has a much mcuh more powerfull engine than LCA

so sorry sir LCA and F16 are both very very different fighter jets it can becompared like diffrence between a 1Litre 3 cylinder suzuki car against a 1.8 litre 5 inline BMW car can you say both are equal ...??????

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

There is no comparrission between F16's 780Km combat radius and LCAs 500 to 550 that too with very minimal load of just 6 air to air missiles

LCA was never meant to be a deep strike long range intercptor or fighter bomber its itself as name suggests a LIGHT COMBAT FIGHTER

while F16 is a medium wieght class multi role fighter bomber and it has a pair CFTs hence its all 9 hard points could be utilised for weapons and it has a much mcuh more powerfull engine than LCA

so sorry sir LCA and F16 are both very very different fighter jets it can becompared like diffrence between a 1Litre 3 cylinder suzuki car against a 1.8 litre 5 inline BMW car can you say both are equal ...??????

Combat range of F16 is only 550 kilometres
295 nmi (339 mi, 546 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with 4 × 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
Combat range of Tejas MK1A is more than 740 kilometres, payload carrying capacity has also increased by 500kg

 

[Guru Dutt]

Combat range of F16 is only 550 kilometres
295 nmi (339 mi, 546 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with 4 × 1,000 lb (454 kg) bombs
Combat range of Tejas MK1A is more than 740 kilometres, payload carrying capacity has also increased by 500kg

well are you telling me the combat radius of F16 on internal feul only ...??

cause F16 had a pair of CFTs aswell and they carry quite a good ammount of feul and have very low drag aswell .... and which F16 you are talking bout cause the F16 A/B are very different than F16 C Or F16 D of now what they have in F16 or what they call F16 V version

but as for LCA MK1A still it sure can fight with F16 BLK52s and have great chnaces of success but above that level it will be tricky ... cause its not just about payload but overal capacity

 

[Guynextdoor]

So Indian airforce placing massive order is a bad thing and PAF not placing order is. a 'good' thing?

What an excellent thinking.

 

[Guru Dutt]

So Indian airforce placing massive order is a bad thing and PAF not placing order is. a 'good' thing?

What an excellent thinking.

thats cause already they were petrified by the capbilities of Rafale now if IAF gets 10 more squads of almost as capable (AESA FRC & Jammers & latest BVR missiles & Air to ground) there chances will go slim to nill and cost of countring IAF will go beyond there reach

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

well are you telling me the combat radius of F16 on internal feul only ...??

cause F16 had a pair of CFTs aswell and they carry quite a good ammount of feul and have very low drag aswell .... and which F16 you are talking bout cause the F16 A/B are very different than F16 C Or F16 D of now what they have in F16 or what they call F16 V version

but as for LCA MK1A still it sure can fight with F16 BLK52s and have great chnaces of success but above that level it will be tricky ... cause its not just about payload but overal capacity

Conformal Fuel Tanks were introduced in the F-16 to increase its fuel carrying capacity and thereby extend its combat range. But, the Tejas MK1A, even without CFTs, has a combat range exceeding 740 kilometers. Tejas MK1A does not require CFTs due to its modern design.
Gripen also doesn't have any CFTs yet the combat range is 1,300 kilometres because it's a modern design, F16 is a very old design which has been modified several times

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

It will be interesting to compare the Tejas MK1A with the F-16 once the specifications for the Tejas MK1A are released. Maintaining a compact size while also ensuring a decent combat range is a significant challenge. Although the Tejas MK1A may not be comparable to the Gripen, it could be compared to the F-16.

 

[Taimoor]

ADSA-HAL or be it MOD & PMO and even IAF had made it pretty clear from day 1 LCA was never meant to be an export oriented platform like what chinese wanted from JF17

Then why the itch to somehow sell this half cooked samosa?

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[Guru Dutt]

It will be interesting to compare the Tejas MK1A with the F-16 once the specifications for the Tejas MK1A are released. Maintaining a compact size while also ensuring a decent combat range is a significant challenge. Although the Tejas MK1A may not be comparable to the Gripen, it could be compared to the F-16.

Yes all three you mentioned have GE turbofans and all three are single engined fighter jets thats for sure but from there evry thing changes

1. F16 was designed as a high speed high agaility fighter in 1970s-80s and most loved and most upgraded fighter in history i guess

the latest verssion of F16 is almost like more than five times capable in terms of its overall capabilities of what its initial designers ever dreamt of

Grippen on the other hand is in its third upgrade programme and has been evolving since 1990s so it also is a great fighter much mcuh more capble than LCA

LCA on its own was not meant to be anything even close to F16 but now its almost close to in its MK1A verssion almost identical to F16 BLK SUFA when it comes to AESA radar and onboard avionics and different LRUs for self protection and electronic counter measures and HOBS capbilities besides it can fire all those missiles which a latest israeli F16 SUFA dose as both use same ELTA EL2052 AESA radar and DASH IV HMD system and HUD and other support systems and even air to air and air to ground missiles like I DERBY ER and Griffin II and PAVEWAY II and SPIKE II family of missiles

 

[Guru Dutt]

Then why the itch to somehow sell this half cooked samosa?

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wo isliye chichha cause we know owr real worth when we have to compete in the open market .... we know we wont be able to furnish the asked number as we are still strugglling to furnish orders given by the IAF but still if we dont compete how will we know how much can we strech owr limits ...????

Chichha hamarre aur aapkee soch me barra farq hai aur wo rehna chihye

 

[Guynextdoor]

Then why the itch to somehow sell this half cooked samosa?

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More money is always good.

 

[Taimoor]

wo isliye chichha cause we know owr real worth when we have to compete in the open market .... we know we wont be able to furnish the asked number as we are still strugglling to furnish orders given by the IAF but still if we dont compete how will we know how much can we strech owr limits ...????

Chichha hamarre aur aapkee soch me barra farq hai aur wo rehna chihye

Basanti, you do talk a lot of shit and self contradictory statements. Tejas was not for sale....... we want to sell.... kitna BS bhonko gaey ?

 

[Taimoor]

More money is always good.

BUT BUT,, it was not for sale lol.

Whose buying this crap anyway!

 

[Bhojpuranchali]

Yes all three you mentioned have GE turbofans and all three are single engined fighter jets thats for sure but from there evry thing changes

1. F16 was designed as a high speed high agaility fighter in 1970s-80s and most loved and most upgraded fighter in history i guess

the latest verssion of F16 is almost like more than five times capable in terms of its overall capabilities of what its initial designers ever dreamt of

Grippen on the other hand is in its third upgrade programme and has been evolving since 1990s so it also is a great fighter much mcuh more capble than LCA

LCA on its own was not meant to be anything even close to F16 but now its almost close to in its MK1A verssion almost identical to F16 BLK SUFA when it comes to AESA radar and onboard avionics and different LRUs for self protection and electronic counter measures and HOBS capbilities besides it can fire all those missiles which a latest israeli F16 SUFA dose as both use same ELTA EL2052 AESA radar and DASH IV HMD system and HUD and other support systems and even air to air and air to ground missiles like I DERBY ER and Griffin II and PAVEWAY II and SPIKE II family of missiles

The F-16 is equipped with a Pratt & Whitney engine.
Gripen is superior to any other single-engine 4th generation fighter jet in the world but costs more than even the fifth generation F-35 and is susceptible to sanctions but, The Tejas MK1A, priced comparably to the F-16, surpasses it in performance and is less prone to sanctions.