Clashes with Afghan Taliban break out again: Taliban removing fence and covering for TTP infiltration

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Not really, Punjabis are a negligible population in India.
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Sure, but from the perception of the average Pakistani, Afghans are our izlamic brotherz. Afghans on the other hand have namak haram tendencies and thus forgot how we saved them from mass extermination at the hands of Soviets and Americans.

Afghans do not even consider you equal humans - the Muslim part has no relevance after that

 

[RealNapster]

Ist India and Pakistan fought the war in 1948 and 1965??

Regarding Afghanistan Pakistan went above the line by interfering other country internal affairs and try to install a puppet government.
Later once joined by Soviet, due to cold war.. USA joined and then Pakistan made a lot of blunders..

Well if you say, opportunity, then what Pakistan got benefits by doing so????

From 1979, Pakistan got only dollars and a few military equipments free during the era but lost many things if you just a look and review properly.

Pakistan still paying the price what they did between 1970s to 1992, enjoyment period was short between 1989 to 2001 when Afghanistan became backyard of Pakistan.

But if I review as a third party - Pakistan lost many things - most importantly: human lives, lost opportunity for business and foreign investors due to security etc etc .. there are many important points I can add. Which lost by Pakistan.

Again I question - what Pakistan got after interfering in Afghanistan? Is Taliban agreed with Pakistan on Durand line?

Ok

 

[MapleKing]

Anyone have more info on this? The guy is an ISPR's 5GW.

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[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Anyone have more info on this? The guy is an ISPR's 5GW.

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Do you have any better proof of him being linked to ISPR? I would've trusted you but nowadays everyone is accused of being one by a certain political party.

I only want to know so I can take his posts more seriously.

 

[MapleKing]

Do you have any better proof of him being linked to ISPR? I would've trusted you but nowadays everyone is accused of being one by a certain political party.

I only want to know so I can take his posts more seriously.

Circumstantial. There are certain defence/osint acounts on Twitter that build narrative in a syncronised fashion and always have vids/images from the frond line: Entei, Eagle Eye, Farzana Shah etc.

 

[hussain0216]

Afghans do not even consider you equal humans - the Muslim part has no relevance after that

The worst part is their is literally no reason to fight now

All they have to do is live like insaan and we could have had open borders

But the Afghans are such backwards jahils that they can't live in peace
And I am tired of idiots making excuses for them or Baloch terrorists etc

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Anyone have more info on this? The guy is an ISPR's 5GW.

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They might or might not be constructing something but as far as the thing word bufferzone implies, that's not really possible in most areas.

1) There are villages immediately next to the fence. No way Pakistan is investing that much time and energy to ethnically cleansing across a wide stretch

2) moving positions forwards in most areas only means moving down into a valley since the border mostly runs along ridges and peaks. Putting you in worse position.

The only thing I can think of that can be called a bufferzone are area denial attempts. Like, Mines along the fence, in sensitive areas, is a reasonable thing to expect.

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Coordinates of the Turkamanzai camp 33°36'59"N 70°11'48"E

 

[Baadil]

They might or might not be constructing something but as far as the thing word bufferzone implies, that's not really possible in most areas.

1) There are villages immediately next to the fence. No way Pakistan is investing that much time and energy to ethnically cleansing across a wide stretch

2) moving positions forwards in most areas only means moving down into a valley since the border mostly runs along ridges and peaks. Putting you in worse position.

The only thing I can think of that can be called a bufferzone are area denial attempts. Like, Mines along the fence, in sensitive areas, is a reasonable thing to expect.


Coordinates of the Turkamanzai camp 33°36'59"N 70°11'48"EView attachment 41263

as if that wasn’t difficult enough, armchair generals on the forum were previously calling for buffer zone inside Afghanistan itself

 

[falcon34]

They might or might not be constructing something but as far as the thing word bufferzone implies, that's not really possible in most areas.

1) There are villages immediately next to the fence. No way Pakistan is investing that much time and energy to ethnically cleansing across a wide stretch

2) moving positions forwards in most areas only means moving down into a valley since the border mostly runs along ridges and peaks. Putting you in worse position.

The only thing I can think of that can be called a bufferzone are area denial attempts. Like, Mines along the fence, in sensitive areas, is a reasonable thing to expect.


Coordinates of the Turkamanzai camp 33°36'59"N 70°11'48"EView attachment 41263

@Panzerkiel
how would u describe those hits, to me it looks most of the shells fell in open spaces.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

They might or might not be constructing something but as far as the thing word bufferzone implies, that's not really possible in most areas.

1) There are villages immediately next to the fence. No way Pakistan is investing that much time and energy to ethnically cleansing across a wide stretch

2) moving positions forwards in most areas only means moving down into a valley since the border mostly runs along ridges and peaks. Putting you in worse position.

The only thing I can think of that can be called a bufferzone are area denial attempts. Like, Mines along the fence, in sensitive areas, is a reasonable thing to expect.


Coordinates of the Turkamanzai camp 33°36'59"N 70°11'48"EView attachment 41263

What if Pakistan pays those tribes and offers them land a bit further in or anywhere else? Is that possible even if it pays extra

I'm just going off what I've heard but a lot of times Pakistan pays the tribal jirga leaders money to settle disputes quickly

 

[khan_patriot]

@Panzerkiel
how would u describe those hits, to me it looks most of the shells fell in open spaces.

Assuming you are talking about the IR video of the camp being tageted, artillery is an area weapon and not a pin point one, it shoots up a general area wherein a majority of the damage is caused by splinters or shock waves. The barrage in the video has certainly done damage to any and all buildings, caused splinter injuries to anyone in the open or TBIs to anyone taking shelter in the buildings. Just my 2p

 

[That_Guy]

Not really, Punjabis are a negligible population in India.
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I never mentioned Punjabis. No idea where you got that from. I said Pashtun.

Sure, but from the perception of the average Pakistani, Afghans are our izlamic brotherz. Afghans on the other hand have namak haram tendencies and thus forgot how we saved them from mass extermination at the hands of Soviets and Americans.

Afghans aren't even a real people, at least in my opinion. They're Pashtun, Tajik, Uzbek, Hazara...but Afghan? They don't even recognize that identity in any meaningful way.

 

[That_Guy]

They might or might not be constructing something but as far as the thing word bufferzone implies, that's not really possible in most areas.

1) There are villages immediately next to the fence. No way Pakistan is investing that much time and energy to ethnically cleansing across a wide stretch

2) moving positions forwards in most areas only means moving down into a valley since the border mostly runs along ridges and peaks. Putting you in worse position.

The only thing I can think of that can be called a bufferzone are area denial attempts. Like, Mines along the fence, in sensitive areas, is a reasonable thing to expect.


Coordinates of the Turkamanzai camp 33°36'59"N 70°11'48"EView attachment 41263

There's also the added issue of manning such a buffer zone. Pakistan simply doesn't have the man power to do so. Even China with its million man army would be hard pressed to do so. The border is simply too long and a buffer would be even longer.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

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[SecularNationalist]

You’re also free to attempt to answer the question

rather you shroud your contradictory opinions in deflection.

If you and your ideological compatriots are serious, the narrative building considerations are the following:

1) Afghan Taliban claim legitimacy due to Islamic ideology. TTP claim to seek to establish Sharia rule in Pakistan

2) Pakistan was founded as a separate homeland for Muslims. So choices are rule according to Islam or not

If it is to be Secular, then why Partition? What is point of Secular nation formed due to religious differences?

If it is to be Islamic rule, then that can be a point of countering present Afghan regime and their affiliates’ narrative by going to source material of Islamic law including protection of minorities and women’s’ rights.

But is there seriousness in addressing Afghan concerns regarding colonial era borders?

Perhaps argument can be made for an “Indus [Republic] of Pakistan” as a revision of national identity, but then back to question of why Partition in the beginning on religious grounds? To what extent are certain groups indigenous to the Indus Republic?

Have you thought this through?

With a RSS ideology ruling over India I am not surprised you don't know what really secularism is. Look at the fascist hindutva dictatorship direction of your country and you call yourself a democracy. You preach the ideology of a guy who murdered your founding father gandhi. Now that's some real identity crisis.
MA Jinnah was secular its unfortunate later his ideology was hijacked. We got partition for Muslims of subcontinent but the constitution was meant to be separated from the religion. That's what secularism is and that's why I am a secular nationalist.
I hope your fellow Indian @Joe Shearer will atleast try to understand what I am saying and share his two cents.