Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

Here is the deal...

A helo has ZERO gliding capability. Do not confuse gliding via wings with auto-rotation.

Auto-rotation is essentially the whirling blades acts like a pseudo parachute slowing the descent with the body having some forward momentum. So the movement cannot be considered gliding.

The intact tail assembly hints at a tail first contact with the ground. Engine failure which compels auto-rotation which usually produced a nose up attitude? Possible, and we cannot rule this option out.

If the fog was THAT heavy, then we COULD BE looking at controlled flight into the ground where the pilot pulled back too late.


The lack of visible parts of the main fuselage is the most important clue on the mechanism of contact -- hard. The trail of burnt vegetation indicates some forward movement of whatever remained of the fuselage. Look where the trail ends.
 
Iran should now become bolder to take revenge of President Raisi's assassination and open up the Guerrilla warfare front from Lebanon or Syria against Israel. This will ensure destruction of Israel in 3 -4 years.
 
read the thread before commenting man

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those heat signals were just campers


the helicopter crash site got found by a IRGC aircraft

then finally IRGC drones had a closer look,

and now the teams arrived at the crash site


no helicopter burns 14 hours man rofl...
Yes,that heat source did look unusually circular in nature,ie very much like a campfire,also there was no associated debris field or large observable pieces of wreckage that one would`ve usually expected to see at a crash site,such as rotors or the tail section,as these pieces often survive an impact.
 
Here is the deal...

A helo has ZERO gliding capability. Do not confuse gliding via wings with auto-rotation.

Auto-rotation is essentially the whirling blades acts like a pseudo parachute slowing the descent with the body having some forward momentum. So the movement cannot be considered gliding.

The intact tail assembly hints at a tail first contact with the ground. Engine failure which compels auto-rotation which usually produced a nose up attitude? Possible, and we cannot rule this option out.

If the fog was THAT heavy, then we COULD BE looking at controlled flight into the ground where the pilot pulled back too late.


The lack of visible parts of the main fuselage is the most important clue on the mechanism of contact -- hard. The trail of burnt vegetation indicates some forward movement of whatever remained of the fuselage. Look where the trail ends.
Would the instruments on an old Bell 212 not provide an altitude warning?
 
I remember the way he handled the whole ambassador in Syria assassination and Iran's missile/drone barrage and its aftermath to the international media. Like a boss who owns a diplomacy university.



God I hope not. That would be so bad on so many levels, least of all satisfying all the ones on here who were wishing for it to be the case so they can all be happy witnessing the 'cool side' of war. Not a good thing considering it would also most certainly kickstart Armageddon.

Which interestingly enough, the zionist came out within 1/2 an hour of the crash denying any responsibility. You think they're worried? I think so. They definitely don't want another taste of April 13th but on a thermonuclear level lol.
Condolences to those who are in mourning. Weird right though most likely an accident but you never know until the investigations I guess. I also was reading about how a few people were upset about how other countries drones helicopters were sent in for the search I actually commend how other came to assist so quickly they rushed in to help. I always say this whole rivalry between Muslim countries is silly and people feed into it and allowing other countries to benefit in shallow animosity
 

Iran president, FM killed in tragic helicopter crash​

  1. Politics
May 20, 2024 - 7:23


TEHRAN – In a tragic helicopter crash, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian, alongside other officials, lost their lives en route to the provincial capital city of Tabriz.
A helicopter carrying Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi made a “tough landing” on Sunday during a visit to the country’s northwest, the national TV reported.
The incident occurred as a result of dense fog in the region, which is making conditions difficult for rescue teams, the TV said.
The helicopter crashed close to a copper mine called Sungun. It’s located in between Jolfa and Varzaqan in the East Azerbaijan province of Iran and it’s roughly between 70km (43 miles) to 100km (62 miles) away from the city of Tabriz, one of the largest cities in Iran and also the city that the president of Iran and foreign minister were headed toward.
Since Sunday afternoon, 40 separate rescue teams have been dispatched to the forested and mountainous area.
Harsh weather has made the region accessible only by ground teams, as aerial approaches are unfeasible.
The mountainous terrain and natural obstacles rendered communication with the president’s entourage nearly impossible.
An Iranian television reporter said that as it got darker and colder, the crews approaching the site were avoiding travel by car, due to the roads in the area not being paved, and rain making the ground muddy
Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian, governor of East Azarbaijan Province Malek Rahmati, and Friday prayer leader of Tabriz Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem were also aboard the copter.
The Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, expressed concern about the missing helicopter in a meeting with families of IRGC personnel.
“We hope that God returns the honorable president and his companions to the arms of the nation.”
“All must pray for the health of this group of civil servants. The Iranian nation must not be concerned or worried, there will be no disruption in the work of the country,” the Leader said.
Mohammad Bagheri, the chief of staff of the Iranian armed forces, issued an order on Sunday afternoon for all the equipment and capacity of the army, the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) and law enforcement forces to be used to find the helicopter.
People in various cities of Iran gathered to pray for President Raisi and his companions.
Raisi was traveling in East Azarbaijan Province. The incident happened near Jolfa, a city on the border with the Republic of Azerbaijan, some 600 kilometers (375 miles) northwest of Tehran.
Raisi had been in East Azarbaijan early Sunday to inaugurate a dam with Ilham Aliyev, the president of the Republic of Azerbaijan.
According to the TV, Interior Minister Ahmad Vahidi has said the helicopter was forced to make a tough emergency landing due to the bad weather condition.
National Security Council did not hold emergency meeting on Raisi
An informed source reported that the Supreme National Security Council has not held a meeting regarding the accident involving the helicopter carrying the President of Iran and his companions.
The source added that the rumors circulating on social media about the council holding an emergency meeting were incorrect.
Nations express support for Iran
In a show of regional solidarity, other countries including Turkey, Italy, and Qatar have expressed their support for Iran following the recent helicopter accident involving Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi. Both countries promptly extended their well-wishes and readiness to assist in any necessary capacity.
Earlier on Sunday, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev met with Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and described their parting as a “friendly farewell.”
Aliyev emphasized Azerbaijan's readiness to assist, stating, “As a neighboring, friendly, and brotherly nation, Azerbaijan is prepared to provide any necessary support.”
The Iraqi government also instructed the country’s Interior Ministry, the Red Crescent and other relevant bodies to offer help to its neighbor Iran and assist in the search for President Raisi’s missing helicopter.
The head of Yemen's Supreme Political Council also noted that their country stand with the people of Iran and their leadership in this difficult situation.
Additionally, a spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that Russia is prepared to offer assistance in locating the Iranian president's helicopter that was involved in the incident.
 
If only the Iranian government would pretend to fight back, not even injuring a single person after so many scientists, government officials, and generals have been killed.
I remember someone saying last month that the next target would be the President and Khamenei.
 
Would the instruments on an old Bell 212 not provide an altitude warning?
The question is what kind of altitude?

If you stand atop a chair, now you are one meter elevated above ground.

Atmospheric altitude is calculated from differential air pressure. So a mountain top that is 1000 meters above ground is still hard ground. For any aircraft, that is still 0 altitude from the mountain but 1000 meters above sea level, which is baro pressure 29.92.

On the other hand, radar altitude or radar altimeter is what we should be talking about. Radar altimeter measures radar echoes from hard ground regardless of how elevated is that hard ground from sea level. Radar altimeter will tell you that you are 0 from that hard ground. Then another instrument will tell you that you are 1000 meters above sea level.

See the difference?

So the question is does this particular helo have radar altimeter? Else we are looking at pilot error and/or failure in mission planning.
 
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Too many conflicting reports coming out.
Looking at the site bro. No one could have survived that. Sad news for Iran and the families of the deceased.
Woke up today and saw at least 10 posts on this thread reported for trolling. 1st time that’s happened on my watch. Not even a Pak v Ind thread have I seen that.
Sad to see a thread like this achieving this milestone…….
 

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