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I wanted to suggest diseases in order to help doctors arrive at correct diagnosis. But the mindset of doctors is a problem. The behavior of doctors is as follows:

• Doctors don’t have an open mind. Their refrain is, “We are professionals. We know better.” When they are students in medical college, it is drilled into future doctor’s head, “Don’t listen to patients.” They forget that laymen patients can reveal something because they are the ones experiencing the symptoms.

• I think it is because medicos aren’t trained to deal with certain situations. When they were studying medical, they weren’t instructed on what to do if they come across anything unique/strange/unfamiliar. They see everything through the prism of known diseases. The culture of out-of-the-box thinking is not there. They simply dismiss the patient by citing some universal condition. I suspect that doctors suffer from ‘frog in the well’ syndrome. Just as frogs cannot imagine a world beyond it’s well, doctors are discouraged from thinking anything outside the realm of documented diseases.

• There are some ‘universal diseases’ which doctors use to wash their hands off patients. The symptoms of these universal diseases are present in everyone to some degree. So it is hard to argue with doctors. For instance, if anyone is unemployed and poor or suffers from cancer, obviously he would be worried and/or sad and obsessed about his problems. Would it be proper for medical professionals to declare it as anxiety or depression or OCD? The sufferer’s problem would be unemployment and poverty or cancer NOT anxiety/depression/OCD. Slightest of distress in patient and doctors jump to conclusions that it is anxiety, depression, stress, OCD etc. One doctor actually uttered this line, “Looking at the TONE of your description, it seems it is anxiety/depression/OCD.”

• Most doctors lack the patience to notice subtle things and pursue difficult concepts. They forget that many functions are apparently simple and taken for granted. But if there is a slight change in the mechanism of these functions, it paralyzes the patient. Most doctors overlook that some subtle changes damage the patient just enough to ruin his life but not enough for others (at least lay people) to notice it.

• So stubborn are doctors about the ambit of known-documented diseases that some ignore the symptoms present in the patient and thrust the symptoms absent in the patient to ensure that patient comes within the ambit of known-documented diseases. One guy who had ‘diagnosed’ depression, anxiety, stress etc actually told me, “When are you happy? Admit that you are never happy.”

• When you demand explanation for the symptoms not matching with diagnosed disease, doctors have endless number of excuses to brush aside the question. For example if the patient asks the doctor to check in his textbooks whether the exhibited symptoms and the symptoms of the diagnosed disease are same, the doctor replies, “Yes, in advanced stages of the disease, these symptoms appear,” although it is not true. It seems when doctors do MBBS, they are trained to churn out excuses. Some doctors even ridicule the demand for diagnosis i.e. leave alone correctness of the diagnosis, it would be big thing if they just reveal the diagnosis.

Examples of excuses doctors churn out. It should tell about the attitude of doctors.

1. Once when I began to complain about memory damage, pat came the doctor’s reply, “Everybody’s caliber is not the same.”
Explanation: Memory damage can happen to Einstein-Newton as well as to a retard. Where does the question of caliber come in this?

2. When I complain of doctors not reading the description of symptoms properly, I was actually told that it is because they don’t have time.
Explanation: My description takes barely 15 minutes to read. If doctors can’t spare 15 minutes to know symptoms, why are they in the profession of psychiatry then? It is their duty to spend time in properly reading the description.

3. When I suggested that mobile phone waves may be causing neurological problems, they asked one illogical question, “Why mobile waves don’t affect others?”
Explanation: Most people may be immune to effects of mobile phone waves but few may be susceptible. Thus mobile waves may indeed be the cause albeit affecting only minority of people. Why ask this senseless question?

4. If doctors make diagnosis of disease ‘A’ and I point out to them that actually the symptoms of disease ‘B’ match with my ordeal, their answer is: Both disease ‘A’ and disease ‘B’ are one and the same. If you have any one of them, you automatically get the other. Disease ‘A’ is the advanced stage of disease ‘B’ and vice versa.
Explanation: You cannot win argument with doctors even if your points are valid.

All of the above are real life anecdotes. Including the one regarding thrusting absent symptoms (mentioned elsewhere).

• After all the hurdles are cleared and if at all the doctor understands that the disease may indeed be something undiscovered, he would be indifferent to the concerns of the patient. He would not suggest the next course of action like way to contact clinical researchers. Doctors are like, “This is some undiscovered disease. What do I care? Tell him anything and just dismiss the patient.”

• Another grouse I have about medical fraternity is their blind support for doctors. They don’t see the merits of the case. They support other doctors just because they are doctors.

• I also hear sermons about trusting doctors. For reader’s information, initially for a very long time I trusted doctors completely i.e. for four long years during a crucial period of life. I took doctor’s words at face value. It is doctors who should be questioned why they make patients lose faith in the system by not giving proper response and clearing valid doubts. That is how doctors force patients to surmise that their condition is some undiscovered disease. For instance, in 17 years of consultation with umpteen doctors, not once did I hear a single sentence which I can relate with. Not once did I get the feeling, “The doctor’s description is reminiscent of my ordeal.
 
Your best post so far.

Never try to reason with allopathic doctors. They think they are Gods and Goddesses. In reality they are drug peddlers for Big Pharma. They are brainwashed in their med schools.

You need a healthy diet and lifestyle. Not allopathy.
 
here's how the nexus works.. doctors, which is to say, general physicians aka your family doctor uncle or aunty ji, will often send you to get all sorts of $$$ tests for the most mundane of things from these corporate hospitals.

ever so rarely, but, their good conscience wins over and they drop the mask and help.

thing is, they may have a 15 crore yearly salary 'package' but are also under tremendous corporate pressure to be profitable.. its all very sad.. zabardasti procedures, stents lagva dete hain, not good.

we cant do anything to stop it...
 
here's how the nexus works.. doctors, which is to say, general physicians aka your family doctor uncle or aunty ji, will often send you to get all sorts of $$$ tests for the most mundane of things from these corporate hospitals.

ever so rarely, but, their good conscience wins over and they drop the mask and help.

thing is, they may have a 15 crore yearly salary 'package' but are also under tremendous corporate pressure to be profitable.. its all very sad.. zabardasti procedures, stents lagva dete hain, not good.

we cant do anything to stop it...
Knee replacement scam in India
 
Your best post so far.

Never try to reason with allopathic doctors. They think they are Gods and Goddesses. In reality they are drug peddlers for Big Pharma. They are brainwashed in their med schools.

You need a healthy diet and lifestyle. Not allopathy.
Har jagah conspiracy theories. I agree hospitals are big businesses hell bent on making big profits, but dismissing allopathy by association is too much. Everything has its place. Allopathy when you need it, Ayurveda and Naturopathy when you need it
 
I wanted to suggest diseases in order to help doctors arrive at correct diagnosis. But the mindset of doctors is a problem. The behavior of doctors is as follows:

• Doctors don’t have an open mind. Their refrain is, “We are professionals. We know better.” When they are students in medical college, it is drilled into future doctor’s head, “Don’t listen to patients.” They forget that laymen patients can reveal something because they are the ones experiencing the symptoms.

• I think it is because medicos aren’t trained to deal with certain situations. When they were studying medical, they weren’t instructed on what to do if they come across anything unique/strange/unfamiliar. They see everything through the prism of known diseases. The culture of out-of-the-box thinking is not there. They simply dismiss the patient by citing some universal condition. I suspect that doctors suffer from ‘frog in the well’ syndrome. Just as frogs cannot imagine a world beyond it’s well, doctors are discouraged from thinking anything outside the realm of documented diseases.

• There are some ‘universal diseases’ which doctors use to wash their hands off patients. The symptoms of these universal diseases are present in everyone to some degree. So it is hard to argue with doctors. For instance, if anyone is unemployed and poor or suffers from cancer, obviously he would be worried and/or sad and obsessed about his problems. Would it be proper for medical professionals to declare it as anxiety or depression or OCD? The sufferer’s problem would be unemployment and poverty or cancer NOT anxiety/depression/OCD. Slightest of distress in patient and doctors jump to conclusions that it is anxiety, depression, stress, OCD etc. One doctor actually uttered this line, “Looking at the TONE of your description, it seems it is anxiety/depression/OCD.”

• Most doctors lack the patience to notice subtle things and pursue difficult concepts. They forget that many functions are apparently simple and taken for granted. But if there is a slight change in the mechanism of these functions, it paralyzes the patient. Most doctors overlook that some subtle changes damage the patient just enough to ruin his life but not enough for others (at least lay people) to notice it.

• So stubborn are doctors about the ambit of known-documented diseases that some ignore the symptoms present in the patient and thrust the symptoms absent in the patient to ensure that patient comes within the ambit of known-documented diseases. One guy who had ‘diagnosed’ depression, anxiety, stress etc actually told me, “When are you happy? Admit that you are never happy.”

• When you demand explanation for the symptoms not matching with diagnosed disease, doctors have endless number of excuses to brush aside the question. For example if the patient asks the doctor to check in his textbooks whether the exhibited symptoms and the symptoms of the diagnosed disease are same, the doctor replies, “Yes, in advanced stages of the disease, these symptoms appear,” although it is not true. It seems when doctors do MBBS, they are trained to churn out excuses. Some doctors even ridicule the demand for diagnosis i.e. leave alone correctness of the diagnosis, it would be big thing if they just reveal the diagnosis.

Examples of excuses doctors churn out. It should tell about the attitude of doctors.

1. Once when I began to complain about memory damage, pat came the doctor’s reply, “Everybody’s caliber is not the same.”
Explanation: Memory damage can happen to Einstein-Newton as well as to a retard. Where does the question of caliber come in this?

2. When I complain of doctors not reading the description of symptoms properly, I was actually told that it is because they don’t have time.
Explanation: My description takes barely 15 minutes to read. If doctors can’t spare 15 minutes to know symptoms, why are they in the profession of psychiatry then? It is their duty to spend time in properly reading the description.

3. When I suggested that mobile phone waves may be causing neurological problems, they asked one illogical question, “Why mobile waves don’t affect others?”
Explanation: Most people may be immune to effects of mobile phone waves but few may be susceptible. Thus mobile waves may indeed be the cause albeit affecting only minority of people. Why ask this senseless question?

4. If doctors make diagnosis of disease ‘A’ and I point out to them that actually the symptoms of disease ‘B’ match with my ordeal, their answer is: Both disease ‘A’ and disease ‘B’ are one and the same. If you have any one of them, you automatically get the other. Disease ‘A’ is the advanced stage of disease ‘B’ and vice versa.
Explanation: You cannot win argument with doctors even if your points are valid.

All of the above are real life anecdotes. Including the one regarding thrusting absent symptoms (mentioned elsewhere).

• After all the hurdles are cleared and if at all the doctor understands that the disease may indeed be something undiscovered, he would be indifferent to the concerns of the patient. He would not suggest the next course of action like way to contact clinical researchers. Doctors are like, “This is some undiscovered disease. What do I care? Tell him anything and just dismiss the patient.”

• Another grouse I have about medical fraternity is their blind support for doctors. They don’t see the merits of the case. They support other doctors just because they are doctors.

• I also hear sermons about trusting doctors. For reader’s information, initially for a very long time I trusted doctors completely i.e. for four long years during a crucial period of life. I took doctor’s words at face value. It is doctors who should be questioned why they make patients lose faith in the system by not giving proper response and clearing valid doubts. That is how doctors force patients to surmise that their condition is some undiscovered disease. For instance, in 17 years of consultation with umpteen doctors, not once did I hear a single sentence which I can relate with. Not once did I get the feeling, “The doctor’s description is reminiscent of my ordeal.
The explosion of healthcare industry has left us with many doctors that are being churned out of not so great institutes. The soft skill training is missing. Doctors are also frequently over worked, sometimes insanely so. They don't have time to deal with anything except the bare minimum.

From your narration I am assuming you have some psychiatric issues, and unless you have severe symptoms, most docs are not going to spend too much time on it. It's not a life threatening issue for them, and that's how they approach it.
 
Har jagah conspiracy theories. I agree hospitals are big businesses hell bent on making big profits, but dismissing allopathy by association is too much. Everything has its place. Allopathy when you need it, Ayurveda and Naturopathy when you need it
Rockefeller the founder and financer of petro medicines Allopathy chose Homeopathy. As disclosed by his physician.

I abused allopathic medicines for years. I used to believe in modern science and big pharma too.
 
I went to a hakeem in shalamar lahore, he examined my 1. pulse 2. visually observed the tongue and
3. visually observed the bottled, first urine of the day
I did not tell him for what concern I visited him , rather he told me every symptom and problem that is going on in my body without any exaggeration or omission of the symptoms.
The precession of description was one hundred percent.

Prescribed me a diet and powder medicine. And my symptoms are reduced to merely 20-30% after day 1.

Whereas, doctors tell me I have IBS after hearing my symptoms which I tell them. Then they say there is no cure for this problem but we can prescribe 10 medicines for the 10 symptoms which you are facing due to this condition
 
@ziaulislam
Aa ja putter yahn pe 😂
Fully agree with him. Bayta

Pakistani doctors are incompetent arrogant, corrupt to the core that are probably competitive to army corruption and commission khore.

They have unethical motives and dehumanize and destroy young Doctor carriar

Back in the day, One of pakistani surgeon was sent by Pakistani govt to learn laparoscope surgery and he would put curtain to hide how he does it

But I would still say the winner is army and it's minions..noone can beat them in their Savageness...

Our respected ex sindh governor put it in simple way " we were like British raj in Bengal, and treated locals as lesser beings"
I see that hasn't changed with batman culture

@Signalian
Bata you are too young when you grow old you will know
 
I went to a hakeem in shalamar lahore, he examined my 1. pulse 2. visually observed the tongue and
3. visually observed the bottled, first urine of the day
I did not tell him for what concern I visited him , rather he told me every symptom and problem that is going on in my body without any exaggeration or omission of the symptoms.
The precession of description was one hundred percent.

Prescribed me a diet and powder medicine. And my symptoms are reduced to merely 20-30% after day 1.

Whereas, doctors tell me I have IBS after hearing my symptoms which I tell them. Then they say there is no cure for this problem but we can prescribe 10 medicines for the 10 symptoms which you are facing due to this condition
Placebo effect
Good that it worked for you
 
Rockefeller the founder and financer of petro medicines Allopathy chose Homeopathy. As disclosed by his physician.

I abused allopathic medicines for years. I used to believe in modern science and big pharma too.
Because of Rockefeller great conspiracy everyone is living a long life 😂 in western world..ain't that good things...in Pakistan nah..


Don't get one thing..why don't the people have same conspiracy with antibiotics.. everyone is gulps up several augmentin all year along
 
I wanted to suggest diseases in order to help doctors arrive at correct diagnosis. But the mindset of doctors is a problem. The behavior of doctors is as follows:

• Doctors don’t have an open mind. Their refrain is, “We are professionals. We know better.” When they are students in medical college, it is drilled into future doctor’s head, “Don’t listen to patients.” They forget that laymen patients can reveal something because they are the ones experiencing the symptoms.

• I think it is because medicos aren’t trained to deal with certain situations. When they were studying medical, they weren’t instructed on what to do if they come across anything unique/strange/unfamiliar. They see everything through the prism of known diseases. The culture of out-of-the-box thinking is not there. They simply dismiss the patient by citing some universal condition. I suspect that doctors suffer from ‘frog in the well’ syndrome. Just as frogs cannot imagine a world beyond it’s well, doctors are discouraged from thinking anything outside the realm of documented diseases.

• There are some ‘universal diseases’ which doctors use to wash their hands off patients. The symptoms of these universal diseases are present in everyone to some degree. So it is hard to argue with doctors. For instance, if anyone is unemployed and poor or suffers from cancer, obviously he would be worried and/or sad and obsessed about his problems. Would it be proper for medical professionals to declare it as anxiety or depression or OCD? The sufferer’s problem would be unemployment and poverty or cancer NOT anxiety/depression/OCD. Slightest of distress in patient and doctors jump to conclusions that it is anxiety, depression, stress, OCD etc. One doctor actually uttered this line, “Looking at the TONE of your description, it seems it is anxiety/depression/OCD.”

• Most doctors lack the patience to notice subtle things and pursue difficult concepts. They forget that many functions are apparently simple and taken for granted. But if there is a slight change in the mechanism of these functions, it paralyzes the patient. Most doctors overlook that some subtle changes damage the patient just enough to ruin his life but not enough for others (at least lay people) to notice it.

• So stubborn are doctors about the ambit of known-documented diseases that some ignore the symptoms present in the patient and thrust the symptoms absent in the patient to ensure that patient comes within the ambit of known-documented diseases. One guy who had ‘diagnosed’ depression, anxiety, stress etc actually told me, “When are you happy? Admit that you are never happy.”

• When you demand explanation for the symptoms not matching with diagnosed disease, doctors have endless number of excuses to brush aside the question. For example if the patient asks the doctor to check in his textbooks whether the exhibited symptoms and the symptoms of the diagnosed disease are same, the doctor replies, “Yes, in advanced stages of the disease, these symptoms appear,” although it is not true. It seems when doctors do MBBS, they are trained to churn out excuses. Some doctors even ridicule the demand for diagnosis i.e. leave alone correctness of the diagnosis, it would be big thing if they just reveal the diagnosis.

Examples of excuses doctors churn out. It should tell about the attitude of doctors.

1. Once when I began to complain about memory damage, pat came the doctor’s reply, “Everybody’s caliber is not the same.”
Explanation: Memory damage can happen to Einstein-Newton as well as to a retard. Where does the question of caliber come in this?

2. When I complain of doctors not reading the description of symptoms properly, I was actually told that it is because they don’t have time.
Explanation: My description takes barely 15 minutes to read. If doctors can’t spare 15 minutes to know symptoms, why are they in the profession of psychiatry then? It is their duty to spend time in properly reading the description.

3. When I suggested that mobile phone waves may be causing neurological problems, they asked one illogical question, “Why mobile waves don’t affect others?”
Explanation: Most people may be immune to effects of mobile phone waves but few may be susceptible. Thus mobile waves may indeed be the cause albeit affecting only minority of people. Why ask this senseless question?

4. If doctors make diagnosis of disease ‘A’ and I point out to them that actually the symptoms of disease ‘B’ match with my ordeal, their answer is: Both disease ‘A’ and disease ‘B’ are one and the same. If you have any one of them, you automatically get the other. Disease ‘A’ is the advanced stage of disease ‘B’ and vice versa.
Explanation: You cannot win argument with doctors even if your points are valid.

All of the above are real life anecdotes. Including the one regarding thrusting absent symptoms (mentioned elsewhere).

• After all the hurdles are cleared and if at all the doctor understands that the disease may indeed be something undiscovered, he would be indifferent to the concerns of the patient. He would not suggest the next course of action like way to contact clinical researchers. Doctors are like, “This is some undiscovered disease. What do I care? Tell him anything and just dismiss the patient.”

• Another grouse I have about medical fraternity is their blind support for doctors. They don’t see the merits of the case. They support other doctors just because they are doctors.

• I also hear sermons about trusting doctors. For reader’s information, initially for a very long time I trusted doctors completely i.e. for four long years during a crucial period of life. I took doctor’s words at face value. It is doctors who should be questioned why they make patients lose faith in the system by not giving proper response and clearing valid doubts. That is how doctors force patients to surmise that their condition is some undiscovered disease. For instance, in 17 years of consultation with umpteen doctors, not once did I hear a single sentence which I can relate with. Not once did I get the feeling, “The doctor’s description is reminiscent of my ordeal.
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Because of Rockefeller great conspiracy everyone is living a long life 😂 in western world..ain't that good things...in Pakistan nah..


Don't get one thing..why don't the people have same conspiracy with antibiotics.. everyone is gulps up several augmentin all year along
Long and un healthy diseased life.
 
I wanted to suggest diseases in order to help doctors arrive at correct diagnosis.
Whenever you travel by plane in future, please suppress the urge to try to suggest the pilot how to fly the airplane. I don't want you to be arrested for attempted plane hijacking. 😂😂
 

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