PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[amuqeetk]

I think by now its pretty apparent that the J-10's are coming - even the doubters have gotten hints by now.

The only thing now left to ponder is:

- How many?
- Cost?
- Delivery/Induction?
- And Flypast (which isn't relevant)
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The news was going round for some time...
This is reported in july by defenseworld.com

That also means JF-17 Block 3 lags is some aspects. It is not getting RD-93MA which shall give JF-17 Block 3 more TWI, combat range, and increased payload.

Once RD-93MA is ready, JF-17 with some redesigning of airframe would be a much respected 4.5 gen fighter.

China Could Hand Over 36 J-10C Jets to Pakistan in 2021​

Pakistan will reportedly receive 36 Chengdu J-10C multirole fighters from China by the end of this year. On Monday, House for Strategic & International Affairs (HSIA) posted on Twitter, “Pakistan is set to receive 36 J-10C semi-stealth, 4.5 gen advanced fighter Jets from China by the end of...

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China Could Hand Over 36 J-10C Jets to Pakistan in 2021
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Pakistan will reportedly receive 36 Chengdu J-10C multirole fighters from China by the end of this year.
On Monday, House for Strategic & International Affairs (HSIA) posted on Twitter, “Pakistan is set to receive 36 J-10C semi-stealth, 4.5 gen advanced fighter Jets from China by the end of 2021.”
The information has not been confirmed by the defense ministries of China or Pakistan.
As per 2020 reports, high-level government officials from Islamabad were in Talks with China over the procurement of PL-10 and PL-15 missiles, as well as J-10 jets that are often compared with the American F-16s.
During Shaheen-9 joint air exercises held in January 2021 which saw participation of these two countries, China’s J-10C and J-11B fighters simulated India's Rafale and Su-30 jets respectively in mock battles. Air Forces from both sides focused on “large scale confrontation, including large scale aerial battles and use of forces in mass and close-quarters aerial support.” More than 200 sorties were conducted by both sides, to boost combat capabilities in learning from each other.

Beijing has been trying to hardsell its J-10C and J-11B fighters to Pakistan whose air force has shown preference for the latest version of the F-16 jets. A Chinese expert told state media after Shaheen-9 that many aspects of the J-10C mid-sized fighter jet, including the size, aerodynamic characteristics, aviation, weapon systems and overall combat capability are comparable to the Indian Air Force (IAF)’s Rafale.

Powered by a Russian engine (Lyulka Saturn AL-31FN) giving it a maximum static thrust of approximately 123 kN, the single-engine tail-less canard delta wing J-10C features fly-by-wire flight controls and sports an AESA fire control radar. It is made of composite materials for high strength and lower weight. China has developed a brand new engine, WS-10, to replace the Russian ones.
The aircraft's internal armament consists of a Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23 twin-barrel cannon, located underneath the port side of the intake. Other weaponry and equipment is mounted externally on 11 hardpoints, to which 6,000 kg of either missiles and bombs, drop-tanks containing fuel, or other equipment such as avionics pods can be attached.

Air-to-air missiles deployed may include short-range air-to-air missiles such as the PL-8 and PL-10, medium-range radar-guided air-to-air missiles such as the PL-12 and PL-15, unguided and precision guided munitions such as laser-guided bombs, air-to-surface missile such as KD-88, anti-ship missiles such as the YJ-91A and anti-radiation missiles such as the YJ-91.

 

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before 2010, China test the idea, thephoto of J-10 wind tunnel test model with conformal fuel tank is published.
However, Air Force believes that this kind of conformal fuel tank with limited capacity is of little significance to improve the combat capability of the J-10, and that the conformal fuel tank cannot be abandoned after running out of fuel. in addition, it also involves major structural modifications to the rear fuselage and deceleration plate of the aircraft, which is not as simple and efficient as the dual hanger in increasing the carrying capacity of air-to-air missiles.

 

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May be Russians have put such a condition that in order to get continuous support and availability of RD93 for thunders , you have to buy engines from Russia only. Also this may pave way for flankers possiblity as well in near by future . At least this is how Russia can also make some money from Pakistan CHINA collaboration projects. Hi5 for all three countries !

Or most likely PAF knows the issues with Chinese engines and is better off with Russian ones.

Why Tranny tower thinks AL-31 is something hard to digest is out of my mind. If RD-93 can come, Why not AL-31 ? And AL-31 are already available for exports, CAC never won a contract for J-10C from other Militaries otherwise we would have seen other customers of J-10C with AL-31 as well instead of WS-10.

My guess is that Chinese engines are still lagging behind in terms of performance and Life. Maintenance might be the real headache especially for smaller air forces with lesser budget. PLAAF has enough money to waste on maintenance just to keep up with indigenization and showcasing itself (false image) as a completely independent air force with all issues sorted out.

Adding up to this, I might be wrong or partially wrong on the engine part but even if there are issues, They won’t be for too long either.

Pakistan bought 36 J-10Cs from China in 2019. These include 3 Squadrons: two regular combat squadrons of 15 aircraft each and a CCS advanced air combat tactics development squadron with 6 aircraft.




#Pakistan’s Interior Minister again confirms that a squadron of J-10Cs will reach Pakistan before the 23rd March Pakistan Day Parade, and will conduct flypasts over Rawalpindi and Islamabad, and further says the 2022 Pakistan Day Parade will be ‘historic’.


BTW where is Pakistan's defense minister or air chief , why a interior minister disclosing such a vital acquisition.
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If he claims the parade to be historic, I want to see Ababeel in it. No better time than now to show it. ICBM, One can only wish.

J-10, InshaAllah.
J-15 ? If they do a flypast, I will celebrate like nothing before.
F-16V, I hope they too and JH-7 as well.

 

[amuqeetk]

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Or most likely PAF knows the issues with Chinese engines and is better off with Russian ones.

Why Tranny tower thinks AL-31 is something hard to digest is out of my mind. If RD-93 can come, Why not AL-31 ? And AL-31 are already available for exports, CAC never won a contract for J-10C from other Militaries otherwise we would have seen other customers of J-10C with AL-31 as well instead of WS-10.

My guess is that Chinese engines are still lagging behind in terms of performance and Life. Maintenance might be the real headache especially for smaller air forces with lesser budget. PLAAF has enough money to waste on maintenance just to keep up with indigenization and showcasing itself (false image) as a completely independent air force with all issues sorted out.

Adding up to this, I might be wrong or partially wrong on the engine part but even if there are issues, They won’t be for too long either.

If he claims the parade to be historic, I want to see Ababeel in it. No better time than now to show it. ICBM, One can only wish.

J-10, InshaAllah.
J-15 ? If they do a flypast, I will celebrate like nothing before.
F-16V, I hope they too and JH-7 as well.
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Hi,

China will not sell J10 C to any other country than Pakistan---. The technology in this aircraft is very sensitive.

Exceptions do happen---but I very much doubt it---. Most nations will willingly go under the control of the US by getting the re-furbished F16's or the F-35's---thinking that the US will not control their machines---.

 

[amuqeetk]

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I have always been against doing deals with USA. It always comes with conditions or restrictions.

China all the way. Even an animal would have realized that!

Hi,

Doing deals with the US is not a problem---. The issue is that majority of nations do not know how to talk to the americans---.

American parliament basically has CAR SALESMAN'S mentality. They are truly the best of the best car salesmen that you would ever come across in your lifetime---so---in order to deal with them---you need to learn to sell your self better---.

If you were a history buff---you would understand that some nations have farmer mentality---some have warrior mentality and some have both---and some have separate warrior class and a separate farmer class---.

Nations who had a separate warrior class are very poor deal makers---like Japan---.

The western nations OTOH were farmers / warrior class---both put in one---.
and america leads them at the top---a true warrior / farmer class nation---.

True warrior dominant nations do not know how to make deals---their ego gets in the way---and true farmer class nations do not know how to take a stand and when to hammer the nail full blast---.

Americans are a nation that need to be looked in the eye and mthrfckd with a smile on your face and NO MALICE intended---. Be nice be polite be respectful---laugh and crack jokes but keep the priorities straight and foremost---.

Do not let them get away with murder and have a media cell constantly projecting your national interest---.

 

[Guru Dutt]

J-10C is a good product but problem is the kind of altitude or the air fields present in tibet at that altitude are not supportive for it to carry full weapons and fuel load as it will carry in eastern chinese costal areas near the sea but IAF Rafales can be a very formidable opponenet and now forthcoming LCA MK1As surely can put up great ressistence as its designed for such terrain in mind aand can carry 5200Kgs of external weapons and fuel load but still has 500Km combat radius in internal fuel so if flown from uthrakhand of a leh airbase it can counter all threats origination from northen areas and both have ESA radars

 

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Some images derived from the IR seeker of a Chinese SRAAM(you know what it is):

 

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luciferdd​

Some images derived from the IR seeker of a Chinese SRAAM(you know what it is):

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looks like chinese fulkrem copies as indian ones have diffrent architechture and have carnards aswell

 

[amuqeetk]

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Deino​

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Of course, there are other reasons. For example, j10c is an air superiority fighter. It lacks Multifunction capability and is only suitable for the air force of large countries.

Are you sure? You are correct, we rarely see a J-10C with a targeting pod and precision guided munitions like LGBs, but we know a few. IMO the J-10C is a full multirole fighter, there is no doubt about this,