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The US assesses Russias Kharkiv offensive is effectively over.
 
SolarWarden said:
You would be wrong.

The whole point of Kharkiv offensive was stress out a supposedly short on men and ammo Ukraine army to force them to redeploy soldiers from Avdiivka/Chasiv Yar and Bakhmut front and to create a buffer zone for Belgorod.

Since Kharkiv offensive no progress at Chasiv Yar, Bakhmut and no buffer zone for Belgorod in fact Ukraine took out the cities s300/400 battery there.
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Nato already deemed the Russian front on Kharkiv a "failure" because the advance was halted. These clowns (not you, pls ignore rude term) refuse to acknowledge that the AFU sacrificed every other front to stop that advance of 20k men. That front's objective wasn't even to take Kharkiv, but to thin out the rest of the fronts.
 
KingQamaR said:
Nato already deemed the Russian front on Kharkiv a "failure" because the advance was halted. These clowns (not you, pls ignore rude term) refuse to acknowledge that the AFU sacrificed every other front to stop that advance of 20k men. That front's objective wasn't even to take Kharkiv, but to thin out the rest of the fronts.
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Also, that argument with stretching out Ukraine army thin can be said to russian army. Or the russians have plentiful troops they can spare at Kharkiv?
The more realistic scenario, the russians launched the offensive earlier than expected, before the arrival of western military supplies.
 
KingQamaR said:
Nato already deemed the Russian front on Kharkiv a "failure" because the advance was halted. These clowns (not you, pls ignore rude term) refuse to acknowledge that the AFU sacrificed every other front to stop that advance of 20k men. That front's objective wasn't even to take Kharkiv, but to thin out the rest of the fronts.
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I think the better metric is how far did Russia get since the assault. Instead of what unit Ukraine did draw into the front, I mean, if Russia progress is slowed/unchanged, then regardless of whether or not Ukraine did pull any troop into the front is not going to mean anything, because that operation would have failed to exact what the Russian wanted either way.

The issue here is, the front itself is pointless, because the Russian know they need to take Liptsi and Vovchansk to be able to effective on a buffer zone, otherwise any progress made in that operation is untenable (ie they would have to pull back to their side of the border) And that's probably unachievable from the moment they launch that offensive with 20,000 men. That probably be enough for them to take either 1, but not both. That mean that if this is the case, would be a strategic mistake.

On the other hand, the Russia progress in the south isn't really going anywhere (I think they made around 1km toward Chasiv Yar since the Kharkiv Offensive begin) I would say if Russia diverted significant amount of Ukrainian troop from Chasiv Yar, 1 km in about 30 days are not a measurement of success.....
 
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j_hungary said:
I think the better metric is how far did Russia get since the assault. Instead of what unit Ukraine did draw into the front, I mean, if Russia progress is slowed/unchanged, then regardless of whether or not Ukraine did pull any troop into the front is not going to mean anything, because that operation would have failed to exact what the Russian wanted either way.

The issue here is, the front itself is pointless, because the Russian know they need to take Liptsi and Vovchansk to be able to effective on a buffer zone, otherwise any progress made in that operation is untenable (ie they would have to pull back to their side of the border) And that's probably unachievable from the moment they launch that offensive with 20,000 men. That probably be enough for them to take either 1, but not both. That mean that if this is the case, would be a strategic mistake.

On the other hand, the Russia progress in the south isn't really going anywhere (I think they made around 1km toward Chasiv Yar since the Kharkiv Offensive begin) I would say if Russia diverted significant amount of Ukrainian troop from Chasiv Yar, 1 km in about 30 days are not a measurement of success.....
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The Russian military operation near Kharkov was intended to reveal whether the Ukrainians had any strategic reserves and whether the Ukrainians were well prepared for a possible Russian counteroffensive. As it turned out, the Ukrainians had to bring their military units from the current front in Bakhmut and Kherson, so the Ukrainians probably do not have any strategic reserves! The result is Russian advances towards Chasiv Yar, the Lyman/Svatove and Avdiivka sections of the front.
 
Viet said:
Also, that argument with stretching out Ukraine army thin can be said to russian army. Or the russians have plentiful troops they can spare at Kharkiv?
The more realistic scenario, the russians launched the offensive earlier than expected, before the arrival of western military supplies.
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They never had enough troops to advance far. Their purpose is purely recon and divert troops from the front it's done it job. Also provided the Russians with much needed intel.
 
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KingQamaR said:
They never had enough troops to advance far. Their purpose is purely recon and divert troops from the front it's done it job. Also provided the Russians with much needed intel.
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You don't recon with a divisions worth of troops.
 
KingQamaR said:
They never had enough troops to advance far. Their purpose is purely recon and divert troops from the front it's done it job. Also provided the Russians with much needed intel.
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Putin himself said Russia wanted to create a buffer zone. That’s bullshit. I am not from military. But here the things. Ukraine army said the russians had amassed about 50,000 for the assault on Kharkiv. Then another 50,000 russians on the north, so in total 100,000 men. That’s more than Ukraine defense force on the sector. If just the numbers matter the russians can move in.

the first goal of russians seems is to capture enough grounds, then moving the artillery closer to Kharkiv in the second phase. The third phase is the frontal assault on Kharkiv. the Russian attack follows classic pincer movements. Just the heroic resistance of Ukraine army plus the western military supplies stopped the russian offensive.
 
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Yeah I knew it was ze German PAC-2 that took out that AWACS the question is what guided the missile? That German radar was nowhere near the front. My spidey senses tells me airborne acquisition was involved and only one nation is good at that. 😬
 
Clown of Kiev's curse strikes again....LOL!!!!

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