PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Qureshi]

It will come down to the economy. All this can change if we get the economy on track, because it looks like India will modernize to counter China, go to a 45 squadron strength in 15 years. I maybe wrong, which is why the PAF can phase what it procures based on the how the threat develops. Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

By seeing your posts got an idea are solely either on assumption or on wish list.

You need to understand that any procurement of weapons are never based on whims or on assumptions & always there is a thought process & careful consideration behind it, whether geopolitical or geostrategic.

 

[Reichmarshal]

IMO, following points needs to be considered...

• JF17 (BLK 1/2) replaced F7Ps, Mirage (3/5) are phasing out with JF17 (BLK 3), while F7PGs are going to be replaced by upcoming L15Bs.
• KAAN is still too far, at least 2035 till it will fly indigenous engine (first test flight is planned for 2032).
• JF17 wont remains till 10 sqds, original plan was to induct 250 (14sqds).
• PAF don't need any EW variant of a fighter aircraft since they already have plenty of platforms to perform the such duties.
• J31/35 will be induct in limited numbers (max 2 sqds) & same with KAAN (max 2 sqds)
• Seems, we will see J10Cs to reach 6 sqds.

Yes, F16s remains in the mix.

L15 will replace FT 7 as its a LIFT ac n will replace the ac which is currently performing that role ie FT7.
F7PG is a Frontline active fighter ac when its replaced it will be replaced by a Frontline fighter like the J 10 or JF 17 not by an ac that has limited fighting capability.

 

[Qureshi]

L15 will replace FT 7 as its a LIFT ac n will replace the ac which is currently performing that role ie FT7.
F7PG is a Frontline active fighter ac when its replaced it will be replaced by a Frontline fighter like the J 10 or JF 17 not by an ac that has limited fighting capability.

Following are the characteristics of L15B...

• Equipped with X-band PESA radar.
• 9 Hard points
• HUD & HOTAS
• Twin Engines
• PL-12 active, radar-guided, beyond visual-range, air-to-air missiles
• PL-10 infrared-homing, short-range, air-to-air missiles
• PL-8 infrared-guided, short-range, air-to-air missiles,
• LT-2 laser-guided bombs
• LS-6 precision-guided bombs.

And many more & F7PGs won't have majority of above, hence your claim that F7PG is frontline fighter & L15B can't replace, it is needs to be reconsider.

Secondly, let me brief you the thought process/logic behind acquiring this bird & it's role in PAF.

• L15B fills the technical gap before cadets gets their hands on JF17s since after completing their intermediate training on K8s, they are required to have a LIFT platform. Currently, F7PGs are performing this role which is not up to that level.
• This bird can be use for DACT/CCS or COIN/CT operations.

 

[ghazi52]

PAF

 

[Fatman17]

A recent image (February 2022) suggested that the first batch of J-10CEs (01 batch, S/N 22-10x) ordered by PAF in June 2021 (20 total).

 

[Oscar]

IMO, following points needs to be considered...

• JF17 (BLK 1/2) replaced F7Ps, Mirage (3/5) are phasing out with JF17 (BLK 3), while F7PGs are going to be replaced by upcoming L15Bs.
• KAAN is still too far, at least 2035 till it will fly indigenous engine (first test flight is planned for 2032).
• JF17 wont remains till 10 sqds, original plan was to induct 250 (14sqds).
• PAF don't need any EW variant of a fighter aircraft since they already have plenty of platforms to perform the such duties.
• J31/35 will be induct in limited numbers (max 2 sqds) & same with KAAN (max 2 sqds)
• Seems, we will see J10Cs to reach 6 sqds.

Yes, F16s remains in the mix.

PAF's ASR has remained to be fluctuating between 350 combat aircraft +/- 30.

The JF-17s might be capped at 150 or even less depending upon cash reserves and changing dynamics of procurement east.

Goal some 13 years ago was

80 F-16s
150 JF-17s
60 or so Mirages for Strike
50 F-7PGs.

Assuming a mixed fleet availably of 55% it keeps a combat ready strength at all times of 180 aircraft.

this was done during the Zardari era when PAF had no money to pay even the interests on the loans it took.

Since then, it seems the way things have progressed the current move for 2030 is to go
26 + 24 J-10s
130-140 JF-17s
72 F-16s
30 odd L-15s that can also engage in combat operations.

BUT, it does not include the few dozen or more armed UCAVs and other systems that take a LARGE load of manned ops in COIN and even some CAS operations.

 

[Oscar]

L15 will replace FT 7 as its a LIFT ac n will replace the ac which is currently performing that role ie FT7.
F7PG is a Frontline active fighter ac when its replaced it will be replaced by a Frontline fighter like the J 10 or JF 17 not by an ac that has limited fighting capability.

It is possible that the FT-7PGs and F-7PGs both get replaced by the L-15 provided the L-15 is(and is assumed so) capable of firing and using BVR weaponry. That would allow it to be combat effective when needed.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This is an interesting news!

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This is what happens, when either you own the platform, so you can integrate what you want, or you have permission to do so. With this ability, you can develop systems that meet your operational requirements based on your threats, rather than what the country that provided you the platform, "will allow" you to do so.

 

[SD 10]

This is what happens, when either you own the platform, so you can integrate what you want, or you have permission to do so. With this ability, you can develop systems that meet your operational requirements based on your threats, rather than what the country that provided you the platform, "will allow" you to do so.

also that wont happen with western weapons, its a luxury we have with chinese and turkish perhaps!

 

[Cryptonian]

According to some reports, only Block-2 will be upgraded to Block-3 level while Block-1 will not be upgraded.

Q to all.

What is the percentage of composite material in Blk2 vs Blk3
?
Is PAC gonna increase Composite percentage in Blk2 upgradation?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

J10C should be increased to 60-80 Crafts to help phase out Mirage sooner than later.
Or reduce load on F16 Fleet

Current inductions are a good start even if it was delayed by at least 6-9 years from origional plans back in 2014 for 36 crafts in Musharaf's time which was a brilliant time

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Q to all.

What is the percentage of composite material in Blk2 vs Blk3
?
Is PAC gonna increase Composite percentage in Blk2 upgradation?

Stick to the topic this is not JF-17 thread but J10C thread kindly ask this question in JF-17 thread thanks

 

[Qureshi]

Since then, it seems the way things have progressed the current move for 2030 is to go
26 + 24 J-10s
130-140 JF-17s
72 F-16s
30 odd L-15s that can also engage in combat operations.

• J10 suggested numbers quite possible or even might increase.
• Are you referring JF17 numbers for block-3 only or all blocks? if all blocks then the numbers already reached to 150 (including latest batch of block-3).
• L15Bs numbers might be double of your suggested numbers, considering the way PAF planning to use this bird.

 

[Qureshi]

PAF's ASR has remained to be fluctuating between 350 combat aircraft +/- 30.

The JF-17s might be capped at 150 or even less depending upon cash reserves and changing dynamics of procurement east.

Goal some 13 years ago was

80 F-16s
150 JF-17s
60 or so Mirages for Strike
50 F-7PGs.

Assuming a mixed fleet availably of 55% it keeps a combat ready strength at all times of 180 aircraft.

this was done during the Zardari era when PAF had no money to pay even the interests on the loans it took.

That's just your supposition up until there's documentation.

 

[Oscar]

That's just your supposition up until there's documentation.

Current one is supposition
2011 is 2 star Horse’s mouth authoritative