PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Yasser76]

IMO...the PAF will lean on the J-10CE as its 'next-gen' lightweight multirole fighter moving forward. The twin-engine NGFA will be the 'heavy' offensive platform, and the J-10CE the lighter multirole complement.

Where do you think the JF-17 and F-16 fit into all this?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[CombatCorner]

The man is not rated to fly the ac but wt a shameless individual...
Surely these pics r ment for the patwaris amongst us....as any person with even half a brain knows the reality

Shouldn't assume everything just to take a pot shot.
The Airchief sitting in the cockpit and J-10 in flight are not related.
Two different events and sources
I just happened to post them together. Look at the difference in picture quality.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Quwa]

Where do you think the JF-17 and F-16 fit into all this?

The JF-17 will soldier on as a supporting point-defence or short-area fighter (taking on the roles traditionally given to the F-7P/PGs).

The twin-engine NGFA (J-31 or KAAN) will gradually phase the F-16s out. Until then, however, the F-16s and J-10CEs will form the PAF's offensive edge.

IMO...gradually...the NGFA will assume the offensive role (with UCAVs), while the J-10CE will work as an area-wide or large-area multirole fighter.

Overall, the PAF will likely start valuing larger longer-ranged fighters more than JF-17-type short-range ones. As guided rockets and TBMs become a go-to strike weapon for armies (both Pakistan Army and Indian Army), stationing fighters as close to the border is becoming increasingly untenable.

Hence, the value of the JF-17 is diminishing due to the rise of drones, TBMs, loitering munitions, etc, that either threaten it, or can take up some of its roles (esp., strike roles). Moreover, a good air defence system with capable SAMs can help a lot with the anti-air/intercept mission (see Ukraine).

Don't get me wrong; the JF-17 is still valuable to the PAF, but is it valuable enough to warrant additional units? It's starting to seem that the PAF itself doesn't think so (hence the Block-3 cuts); IMO, the orders meant for Block-3 will go to additional J-10CEs.

 

[BonitoBoy]

Don't know where the hate seems to be coming from, you made some claims, I asked for a source, then you post this?

He is not sharing his thoughts with you here but telling you that you should do it

 

[Fatman17]

Would not be surpirsed if we ket it at just that order. Makes little sense now investing in 4th/4.5th gen now that Chinese and potentially Turkish stealth is on the table.

I would day halt J-10C at 50 or whatever. At least, minimum totally phase out Mirage/F-7 fleets.

180 JF-17s
50 - J-10Cs
75 - F-16s

That is 300 odd very capable fighters in 16-17 Fighter sqds.

Then hold and get say 100 Stealth fighters to totally replace F-16s and some older JF-17s

PAF requires 400 combat aircraft.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Shouldn't assume everything just to take a pot shot.
The Airchief sitting in the cockpit and J-10 in flight are not related.
Two different events and sources
I just happened to post them together. Look at the difference in picture quality.

He is sitting in the ac n standing in front of the ac with his full flight gear on.....trying to give the impression that either he is about to or just came back from a sortie......j 10 c doesn't have a twin seat variant on which then can go for a joy ride.

He's only making a fool n a laughing stock of himself

 

[GriffinsRule]

The JF-17 will soldier on as a supporting point-defence or short-area fighter (taking on the roles traditionally given to the F-7P/PGs).

The twin-engine NGFA (J-31 or KAAN) will gradually phase the F-16s out. Until then, however, the F-16s and J-10CEs will form the PAF's offensive edge.

IMO...gradually...the NGFA will assume the offensive role (with UCAVs), while the J-10CE will work as an area-wide or large-area multirole fighter.

Overall, the PAF will likely start valuing larger longer-ranged fighters more than JF-17-type short-range ones. As guided rockets and TBMs become a go-to strike weapon for armies (both Pakistan Army and Indian Army), stationing fighters as close to the border is becoming increasingly untenable.

Hence, the value of the JF-17 is diminishing due to the rise of drones, TBMs, loitering munitions, etc, that either threaten it, or can take up some of its roles (esp., strike roles). Moreover, a good air defence system with capable SAMs can help a lot with the anti-air/intercept mission (see Ukraine).

Don't get me wrong; the JF-17 is still valuable to the PAF, but is it valuable enough to warrant additional units? It's starting to seem that the PAF itself doesn't think so (hence the Block-3 cuts); IMO, the orders meant for Block-3 will go to additional J-10CEs.

Block 3 cuts might be related to RD-93 availability due to the war as well as Pakistani budget, not uavs