Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Dreamer]

Apparently, India is retiring our ZDKs' for us

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Seems IDRW always seem to have news regarding our Air Force, that even the Air Chief hasn't heard of.

Khair..., mitti paoo.

Really? It's IDRW's doing?

Have you not been reading this forum or the old pdf? The news is all over the place since last couple of days and most senior members here are confirming it. Nothing official from PAF though.

 

[Qureshi]

Nothing official from PAF though.

That's what matters...

Like below official statement from PAF about J31/35

 

[GriffinsRule]

This piece of news which has been making rounds, for the past several days that the 3 new EriEye AEW&C systems that are being ordered by the PAF are the upgraded (Extended Range) ER version ... is quite curious.

If memory serves me right, there was a discussion on the topic, in the past that the Saab 2000 engines were not powerful enough to fully utilize the maximum potential of the ER version's performance. That is why Saab offers this radar on the Bombardier 6000 platform and calls it GlobalEye.

Can somebody please clarify this?
Thank you in advance.

It's because Saab 2000 is no longer in production. They based the new version on a jet that can be bought fresh from a factory.

 

[bengalcdn]

What a weird response ...
No I have no contract paperwork
Rest easy buddy if you keep saying no proof maybe the netra won't arrive

Why are you Indians so obnoxious? This is a thread about Pakistan’s AWACs, not Indian Air Force. Why don’t you post your fantasies, boastful, bombastic nonsense there.

 

[RescueRanger]

The topic here is :

Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts​

I am going through O/T topic comments and finding the same repeat offenders. Looks like some people don't learn.

Please stick to the topic, acting like "my dad is bigger than your dad" is not a serious way to have a conversation. O/T comments ruin the thread for those who are seriously discussing the developments.

 

[_NOBODY_]

there are several other possibilities
1. the ZDKs are complete junk
2. ERIEYE is less capable system compared to the E-3, Wedgetails. Maybe you need more aircraft to compensate

The operators of ERIEYE are 2nd tier players
Brazil, Greece, Mexico, Poland, Saudi Arabia (6 E-3s to go with 2 ERIEYEs), Thailand, Sweden, UAE

last possibility is that ERIEYE is more of a surveillance platform rather than command & control platform

In what universe are Poland, Sweden, UAE and KSA 2nd tier players? Poland has the most powerful military in all of Europe after Russia. The airforce of both KSA and UAE are far more advanced than India's. The last point is incredibly stupid and I am being very polite when I say that. I didn't expect such a post from you of all people.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Compare the ERIEYE operators with E-3 & wedgetail operators
United States
United Kingdom
France
Chile
NATO

Even excluding the USAF I will take the E-3/Wedgetail air forces any day

Even Saudi Arabia has 6 American AWACS aircraft to the 2 Swedish AEW aircraft

Is Chile a tier-one player now going by the logic in your previous post?

 

[Ali_Baba]

In the event that PAF also upgrades the existing Saab 2000 fleet to the ER variants, what happens to the non-ER Transmitter/Receiver array from the existing fleet ?

Could PAF repurpose that array into a ground based system ? ie put them onto rotator and turn it into a 360 degree landbased radar? They could write the software for the backend?

Kind of curious to see if it is possible to repurpose the sensors it without well binning it ? Same applies to those on the ZDK AEW&Cs ? Would be a good project for NATSP ???

 

[nahtanbob]

Is Chile a tier-one player now going by the logic in your previous post?

Look at the all the operators of E-3 and its variants
not just one

Boeing E-3 Sentry
United States Air Force
Chile
NATO
Royal Air Force
French Air Force
Royal Saudi Air Force
Japan E-3 on Boeing 767
Royal Australian Air Force
Republic of Korea Air Force
Turkish Air Force

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

In what universe are Poland, Sweden, UAE and KSA 2nd tier players? Poland has the most powerful military in all of Europe after Russia. The airforce of both KSA and UAE are far more advanced than India's. The last point is incredibly stupid and I am being very polite when I say that. I didn't expect such a post from you of all people.

He is false flag Indian bro don't argue with him

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Look at the all the operators of E-3 and its variants
not just one

Boeing E-3 Sentry
United States Air Force
Chile
NATO
Royal Air Force
French Air Force
Royal Saudi Air Force
Japan E-3 on Boeing 767
Royal Australian Air Force
Republic of Korea Air Force
Turkish Air Force

And how can you assume that Erieye is a second tier command &control aircraft? Please give us the solid logical reasons

 

[nahtanbob]

In what universe are Poland, Sweden, UAE and KSA 2nd tier players? Poland has the most powerful military in all of Europe after Russia. The airforce of both KSA and UAE are far more advanced than India's. The last point is incredibly stupid and I am being very polite when I say that. I didn't expect such a post from you of all people.

In which universe is Poland more militarily more powerful than Germany, France and UK ? Or the common NATO fleet.

Saudis have 6 E-3s compared to 2 ERIEYEs. Yup Saudis and UAE have better combat aircraft than India. India does not operate either E-3 or ERIEYE.

 

[Zarvan]

The Indians will have 9 Indian built awacs in next few years
Plus three phalcons from Israel
There are plans to add additional high end awacs from USA
18 is the number they are heading towards

India informs US it’s ready to buy Raytheon ISTAR aircraft

India has made an official request to purchase two ISTAR aircraft under a government-to-government deal. The move comes within a month of U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis’ visit to India.

www.defensenews.com

Next few years . Dude that 9 number is not happening for next decade at least.

 

[Zarvan]

In which universe is Poland more militarily more powerful than Germany, France and UK ? Or the common NATO fleet.

Saudis have 6 E-3s compared to 2 ERIEYEs. Yup Saudis and UAE have better combat aircraft than India. India does not operate either E-3 or ERIEYE.

Poland is on its way to be a bigger military power than France and UK. Their plans are huge. They despite being part of NATO are developing themselves in such a way that they should alone be able to take on Russia. As for your logic is highly hilarious. You don't have single technical point just assumptions.

 

[nahtanbob]

And how can you assume that Erieye is a second tier command &control aircraft? Please give us the solid logical reasons

Explain to me why top tier allies air forces - USA, NATO common fleet, Japan, S. Korea, France, UK, South Korea, Australia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia are operating E-3s or derivatives of E-3 ported to Boeing 737/Boeing 767. Israel is only notable exception. They have the own platform. Some of you have proposed logical reasons - ERIEYE was not available. It does not explain it completely.

Look at all ERIEYE operators
Brazil - They have no one to fight. They need surveillance platform to monitor airspace against drug cartels etc.
Mexico - They have no one to fight. They need surveillance platform to monitor airspace against drug cartels etc.
Pakistan - E-3 was never available. They needed surveillance platform.
Greece - under NATO umbrella. They need it to spy on Turkey.
Poland - under NATO umbrella. They need it to spy on Russia.
Saudi Arabia - They have 6 E-3s compared to 2 ERIEYEs.
United Arab Emirates - I can never explain the myriad of purchases they make.
Thailand - When they did fight a war ? They needed surveillance platform.

Since 2002 Pakistan was been denied state of the art weapons by the EU. You know the reasons.
ERIEYE is probably a sophisticated surveillance platform to monitor your neighborhood.