An Incident happened today ...Made me really wonder...

[maithil]

Of course not.

And there lies the problem. If Hamas hadn't done October 7th, so many Palestinians would still have a home and would be alive. Instead they lost everything their generations managed to earn.

Hamas provided the immediate reason for the nutty right wing Israeli government to mop up Gaza. How do Palestinians miss this ? Hamas and it's backers ( presumably Iran and Qatar) go scot free for dragging millions to hell.

 

[VCheng]

And there lies the problem. If Hamas hadn't done October 7th, so many Palestinians would still have a home and would be alive. Instead they lost everything their generations managed to earn.

Hamas provided the immediate reason for the nutty right wing Israeli government to mop up Gaza. How do Palestinians miss this ? Hamas and it's backers ( presumably Iran and Qatar) go scot free for dragging millions to hell.the red are people

there are people here who think hamas is winning and following a very clear and clever war plan that will give them victory soon.

 

[truthseer]

But for large portion of 2 hours, I was just confused how to explain to him the scenario happening in Pakistan - How can I explain to the guy whose own people are facing genocide that out here in Pakistan things are grim our own Police in Pakistan is picking up people.

You could always go volunteer to fight for Palestine and leave your easy life in UK behind, while Pakistanis continue to struggle because OSPs and their leaders like Imran have robbed the nation blind

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

In end it all comes down to no voice for these people in Gaza

• A single man John "Rambo-ism" won't solve the problem

I think Turkey is trying to raise concern as they are adjacent to conflict.

Unsure what is happening with Egypt and their internal politics.
It is certainly a mess they are always more concerned with their own border management.
While it is understandable the people of Egypt are generally in favor of Palestinians

There is generally a much weaker stance then perhaps 20-22 years ago from the nations generally around Occupied Palestine area.

In end it all comes to down having a solid political voice at Nation Level in region

It is Ironic that there are 5-6 Big Muslim Nations however they are not able to force a stoppage in conflict.

Turkey
Iran
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Syria (Understandably weakened by conflict)
Pakistan (Obviously politically a Mess due to not holding elections on time)
Jordan (Was never considered a big military influence)
Lebanon (Quite irrelevant in region from military perspective)
Sudan (bit messed up with internal conflicts not really known for impact outside of their land)
Iraq (Unsure what is their situation politically)
Libya (Still licking wounds from long internal war)

This internal conflict going about in various Muslim countries is reason why there is no particular focus on Voices for Gaza

Even if the international community did tried hard to put a stop to 1 sided genocide.
Obviously, it was vetoed

I even see in western circles many voices openly calling it a 1 sided genocide or extreme force usage


If unified Political Voice does not exist at world stage such incidents will (I am afraid will continue to haunt Muslim nations)


Note: The 2 State solution has been discussed many times with it's solid merit and that is the ultimate solution to Israe /Palestine crisis , but this 1 sided Genocide cannot continue



China's Stance: 2 state solution, and of course they support Palestine people.
Russia Stance : Similar views on 2 state solution


South Africa has raised concern / resolution with Turkey for condemning the war a an applaudable act and calling it what it is Genocide

 

[Forsvaret]

And there lies the problem. If Hamas hadn't done October 7th, so many Palestinians would still have a home and would be alive. Instead they lost everything their generations managed to earn.

Hamas don’t really care about the Palestinians. Its sole objective is defeating Israel, even if the last Palestinian has to pay its price, with his life.

 

[Dual Wielder]

Hamas don’t really care about the Palestinians. Its sole objective is defeating Israel, even if the last Palestinian has to pay its price, with his life.

Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.. what do you expect the palestinians to do? Hasn't stopped Isra-hell in the west bank with the pacified PA territories still getting encroached.. zionists are Nazis on steroids.

 

[VCheng]

Hamas don’t really care about the Palestinians. Its sole objective is defeating Israel, even if the last Palestinian has to pay its price, with his life.

But isn’t Hamas itself composed of Palestinians ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well a group of people imprisoned in a area , city zone for 75 years , with a promised 2 state solution it is difficult to say at ground level who is in charge

In the end the group of people wants a free Homeland and this is only possible with 2 state solution

The group imprisoned in a Occupation can't really be blamed.

It is really the failure of international process which has forgotten them for years and years

How long should a group of people remain in a Occupied Land status with no human rights?
If someone can put a number to that question

a) Is it 10 years
b) Is it 20 years
c) Is it 50 Years
d) Is it 70 Years

They have tried every avenue in past

The people imprisoned were owners of the Land, we can't go back 2,000 years our focus can only go as far as 100 years , If I recall the Land was won over by Roman Empire back 2000 years ago and they may have moved around people

From Google/American Jewish org

Note: Obviously the land was cleared of all inhabitants few times during crusader wars as well its part of history , unsure about the claim of always been present there but I made the point below


So if the Romans kicked out the Jewish back 2000 years from certain region why are they taking out their anger against Palestinians today in modern times?? The Muslims never kicked them out instead they generally allowed them safe passage or allowed them to live in their civilizations.

 

[Forsvaret]

But isn’t Hamas itself composed of Palestinians ?

Isn’t Pakistan’s military establishment also composed of Pakistanis? Hamas is the same. No nation can progress with such traitors in power.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Obviously the folks imprisoned in the Prison , will have their own grouping based on their local demographic

Since Imprisoned people are 100% Palestinians, the faction is of course made up of Palestinians.

But if the world can give them a meaningful , freedom i.e. Statehood

I am sure such factions will dissolve naturally and become their own Army. May be it will dissolve and become a Political Party

All People/Factions living in Gaza Or West Bank are in Prison technically which the world acknowledges for past 70 years

• Should Humans live in a Prison City ?
• Is it healthy for 70 years ?
• Is this considered Human Rights to live in Prison?

Yes those are the key thing

Now what is faction A , what is their name , etc ...they exist and that is reality because it is a Prison

• They were born into this reality because the world created this reality for them

 

[MastanKhan]

Do Palestinians find Hamas even remotely responsible for what's happening in Gaza ?

Hi,

Yes---an average Palestnian does---. But they are afraid of the hamas operatives---. These are the thugs of the worst kind.

Just remember---Hamas was created by israel---. thru that blind cleric---.

 

[Developereo]

I do however wonder, how Imran would have reacted to this situation. I'm aware he couldn't have done much on the ground, but it's very likely he would have been giving interviews all around the world to shed greater light on this one sided war.

He would have made a bunch of speeches but nothing consequential.

Remember how he sat down like a good little boy when the Saudis told him not to attend the meeting with Mahatir and Erdogan?

 

[Developereo]

Hi,

hamas operatives---. These are the thugs of the worst kind.

They are ruthless towards anyone suspected of being a double agent for Israel.

One might ask for due process but the other side doesn't do due process either - it's a different set of rules in that environment.

 

[Forsvaret]

Just remember---Hamas was created by israel---. thru that blind cleric---.

If Hamas was created by Israel, then Palestinians should be fighting traitorous Hamas, and not Israelis.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

2 State solution is only way forward

Not Genocide and Not putting things under carpet
It is for the People of Palestine to decide the fate of their faction what happens to it

Having a Chinese/Russian Embassy in region I think will also be helpful
Embassy in West Bank /Gaza

It is a reasonable solution as well untill a 2 state solution happens

• The Land has seen wars for over 2000 years, I wish there was simple answer to solve things but genocide is wrong all level of humanity