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I have been refuting you decisively, but you seems so denial by repeating the same statements that have been refuted.

Now see this Hamas charter 1988:

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Is creating Islamic state in Palestine in place of Israel, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel what you mean as freedom from oppression & occupation and to live equally with Israel citizen?

Does this Hamas charter agree with your claim that they want peace with Israel?
Is the peace you mean is by destruction of Israel? if thats the case then it is hypocrisy to the core.




But you expect Israel to keep giving flower when Palestinian is obsessed to attack Israel and keep attacking Israel with intifada.

The war was started in 1948 when Arab league attack Israel, and after that it was always arab/palestine side that always start the aggressions by attacking Israel first.

Your expectation that Israel government treat Palestinian citizen equally with Israel citizen is insane to the core. It is like I am Indonesian expecting Singapore government to treat me equally with Singapore citizen or a Indian citizen expect Pakistan government to treat him equally with Pakistan citizen.

Some would deny the truth even if you place it before their eyes.

The sad thing , is that Palestinains could have had a country long ago , if it was not for Hamas.

Do people here still think that the Palestinians would be able to build a country , as long as Hamas is in power ?

Do people here really think , that anyone would hand over the billions , it would now take to rebuild Gaza , to Hamas . After what they did with the money last time ?

And let say that , for arguement sake , that Hamas gets a country .

What sort of country do people here imagine it would be ?




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No, we can clearly see your intentions. No reason to deny it, what are you scared of?

Consequence? Yes, let’s genocide the Palestinians because they refuse to be subjected and robbed of their homeland. You really think occupying and oppressing a people is winning? What a psycho.
This is a deluded or disingenuous person your engaging. I destroyed all his claims on the previous forum yet they kept repeating same rubbish over and over like a rented bot.
 
This is a deluded or disingenuous person your engaging. I destroyed all his claims on the previous forum yet they kept repeating same rubbish over and over like a rented bot.
I already see now that he is already repeating the same crap. I guess they think if they keep repeating things it somehow makes it true.

So far it’s been
Khamas
But Khamas
Didn’t I mention Khamas
KHAMAS KHAMAS KHAMAS .

I know they type Hamas but they prounces it Khamas.
 
I already see now that he is already repeating the same crap. I guess they think if they keep repeating things it somehow makes it true.
That's the zionist strategy repeating lies thinking everyone will think it's facts. This genocide is opening many peoples eyes, the genociders may still have western government support but they have made allot of new enemies.

On Hamas, the apartheid state should be jailing Netanyahu first per pro zionist media he openly allowed Hamas to be funded to ensure divisions between Palestinians and to prevent a state.

From pro zionist media itself
 
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Date: 05/01/2024Author: Martin Plaut1 Comment
Source: Ha’aretz
By Linday Dayan

You Won't Free Palestine by Denying Hamas Raped Israelis

You can pick apart every witness' testimony, handwave every video of stripped bodies and tell everyone who'll listen that Hamas just wouldn't do that. But it won't erase what the victims endured in their last moments, nor will it free Palestine




Do you ever read something and think, “Oh no, some really terrible people are going to be really happy about this?”

On Thursday, the Israel Police made a call to the public, via the media, to come forward with information about sexual assaults carried out during the Hamas massacre on October 7. They are having difficulty identifying the bodies of victims in eyewitness accounts of rape. And although they have much documentation of murder scenes that show signs of sexual assault, and the testimony of morgue workers, first responders, police and soldiers who found the dead, they do not have enough witness reports.

They are not saying they don’t have enough evidence that Hamas and members of other Gazan factions used rape as a weapon of war during their onslaught – the police have repeated that the testimony thus far has been sound. A large-scale independent investigation from The New York Times reached the same conclusion, as did Physicians for Human Rights, which has a proven track record of speaking out against the Israeli government’s rights abuses.

There is a heartbreakingly large pool of evidence: the infamous video of 19-year-old hostage Naama Levy, dragged into a jeep full of armed men by the hair, the crotch of her sweatpants stained with blood. The bodies of women, stripped of their underwear, scattered around the Nova rave site. Reports from responders who found the bodies of women whose genitals were pierced by foreign objects, bodies stripped naked and bound.

Some conspirators would say – and have said, and won’t stop saying – that this is part of an Israeli plot to weaken the Palestinian cause or justify the brutal bombing of Gaza. They demand to see forensic evidence from bodies already interred, cross-examinations of living survivors and videos of acts of rape. With any less, they won’t begin to entertain the idea that this was not cooked up by the Israelis. And even if they were given this, it would still surely not be enough.

Yet if recent history has taught us anything about Israel, it is that the country that had five elections in less than four years absolutely cannot pull off conspiracies of that magnitude. A government that could not prevent October 7 could not have planted all the evidence that Hamas left behind.

The people who could excuse Hamas of being murderers but draw the line at them being rapists are already convinced. Journalist Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone has been vociferously trying to discount witness statements (“This person who witnessed the most traumatic thing a human can experience was slow to share the full details of that living nightmare” is a key talking point). Briahna Joy Gray, the former Bernie Sanders press secretary who has denied Hamas’ atrocities, is trying to find someone to “debate” against Blumenthal about whether this sexual violence occurred. Surprisingly, she has not had any takers.

Denying what is in front of our eyes will not bring glory to the Palestinian people, and accepting what has clearly transpired will not make the deaths of innocent Gazans less appalling. You can pick apart every witness’ testimony, handwave every video of stripped bodies and tell everyone who’ll listen that Hamas just wouldn’t do that. But it won’t erase what the victims endured in their last moments, nor will it free Palestine.

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That's the zionist strategy repeating lies thinking everyone will think it's facts. This genocide is opening many peoples eyes, the genociders may still have western government support but they have made allot of new enemies.

On Hamas, the apartheid state should be jailing Netanyahu first who openly allowed Hamas to be funded to ensure divisions between Palestinians and to prevent a state.

From pro zionist media itself

Yes, they originally supported Hamas to weaken the PLO. Oh boy did it bite them in the ass though. They never intended on a 2 state solution, they just try to split Palestinians to weaken them. Everyone is well aware now and it’s not going to work. PA is standing on its last legs, Palestinians know it doesn’t serve Palestine but Israels interests.
 
Date: 05/01/2024Author: Martin Plaut1 Comment
Source: Ha’aretz
By Linday Dayan

You Won't Free Palestine by Denying Hamas Raped Israelis

You can pick apart every witness' testimony, handwave every video of stripped bodies and tell everyone who'll listen that Hamas just wouldn't do that. But it won't erase what the victims endured in their last moments, nor will it free Palestine




Do you ever read something and think, “Oh no, some really terrible people are going to be really happy about this?”

On Thursday, the Israel Police made a call to the public, via the media, to come forward with information about sexual assaults carried out during the Hamas massacre on October 7. They are having difficulty identifying the bodies of victims in eyewitness accounts of rape. And although they have much documentation of murder scenes that show signs of sexual assault, and the testimony of morgue workers, first responders, police and soldiers who found the dead, they do not have enough witness reports.

They are not saying they don’t have enough evidence that Hamas and members of other Gazan factions used rape as a weapon of war during their onslaught – the police have repeated that the testimony thus far has been sound. A large-scale independent investigation from The New York Times reached the same conclusion, as did Physicians for Human Rights, which has a proven track record of speaking out against the Israeli government’s rights abuses.

There is a heartbreakingly large pool of evidence: the infamous video of 19-year-old hostage Naama Levy, dragged into a jeep full of armed men by the hair, the crotch of her sweatpants stained with blood. The bodies of women, stripped of their underwear, scattered around the Nova rave site. Reports from responders who found the bodies of women whose genitals were pierced by foreign objects, bodies stripped naked and bound.

Some conspirators would say – and have said, and won’t stop saying – that this is part of an Israeli plot to weaken the Palestinian cause or justify the brutal bombing of Gaza. They demand to see forensic evidence from bodies already interred, cross-examinations of living survivors and videos of acts of rape. With any less, they won’t begin to entertain the idea that this was not cooked up by the Israelis. And even if they were given this, it would still surely not be enough.

Yet if recent history has taught us anything about Israel, it is that the country that had five elections in less than four years absolutely cannot pull off conspiracies of that magnitude. A government that could not prevent October 7 could not have planted all the evidence that Hamas left behind.

The people who could excuse Hamas of being murderers but draw the line at them being rapists are already convinced. Journalist Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone has been vociferously trying to discount witness statements (“This person who witnessed the most traumatic thing a human can experience was slow to share the full details of that living nightmare” is a key talking point). Briahna Joy Gray, the former Bernie Sanders press secretary who has denied Hamas’ atrocities, is trying to find someone to “debate” against Blumenthal about whether this sexual violence occurred. Surprisingly, she has not had any takers.

Denying what is in front of our eyes will not bring glory to the Palestinian people, and accepting what has clearly transpired will not make the deaths of innocent Gazans less appalling. You can pick apart every witness’ testimony, handwave every video of stripped bodies and tell everyone who’ll listen that Hamas just wouldn’t do that. But it won’t erase what the victims endured in their last moments, nor will it free Palestine.

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It must suck to constantly have to spam propaganda and misinformation to justify Israel’s actions. I bet it’s getting much harder for you now since the rise of social media in information. You might need a new job soon. Good luck
 
Yes, they originally supported Hamas to weaken the PLO. Oh boy did it bite them in the ass though. They never intended on a 2 state solution, they just try to split Palestinians to weaken them. Everyone is well aware now and it’s not going to work. PA is standing on its last legs, Palestinians know it doesn’t serve Palestine but Israels interests.
The zonists keep saying palestinians will never get peace because they keep attacking the apartheid occupiers. Then they use security as an excuse like their safety is more important to the world than the Palestinians.

The reality is their version of peace is complete land theft of Palestine with its indigenous population ethnically cleansed.

Look at Fatah they gave up arms in the 90s for peace, what did it do? The apartheid state turned the west Bank into swiss cheese and continue to murder, rape, torture people and kill children as well in the west bank. Not to mention kidnap thousands. Which people would accept this? They are deliberately creating a situation so there is violence with all this dehumanisation.
 
The zonists keep saying palestinians will never get peace because they keep attacking the apartheid occupiers. Then they use security as an excuse like their safety is more important to the world than the Palestinians.

The reality is their version of peace is complete land theft of Palestine with its indigenous population ethnically cleansed.

Look at Fatah they gave up arms in the 90s for peace, what did it do? The apartheid state turned the west Bank into swiss cheese and continue to murder, rape, torture people and kill children as well in the west bank. Not to mention kidnap thousands. Which people would accept this? They are deliberately creating a situation so there is violence with all this dehumanisation.
You are 100% correct. Israel will always have a scapegoat whether it is Hamas or another group. Oslo accords were the worst thing to happen to the Palestinian people. They sacrificed so much to gain nothing but more occupation, oppression, settlements, etc.
 
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You are the one in denial of Israel which is a racist pariah state. Enjoy the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people as much as you want right now. In the end though, you will pay for your crimes.

You haven't given any evidence yet, except claim and denial.

Accusation that Israel is apartheid is false framing; in fact Arabs have representation in the Israeli Knesset (parliament) and hold positions in various aspects of Israeli society, including business, academia, and the military. on the contrary there is no jews in Palestine government or even Arab government; so it is more making sense to say apartheid applied in Palestine state.
 
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The term "apartheid" is a highly charged and debated term when applied to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The accusation of apartheid in the context of Israel often refers to the situation in the occupied territories, particularly the West Bank, where Israel has established settlements and imposed restrictions on the movement and rights of the Palestinian population.

Critics argue that the system in place in the West Bank resembles aspects of apartheid, with separate legal systems, infrastructure, and living conditions for Jewish settlers and Palestinians. They point to issues such as the construction of settlements, checkpoints, and the security barrier, as well as differing legal frameworks for Jewish settlers and Palestinians in the West Bank.

However, within Israel proper, where Arab citizens make up a significant minority, there is a parliamentary system in place, and Arab citizens have the right to vote and participate in the political process. Arabs have representation in the Israeli Knesset (parliament) and hold positions in various aspects of Israeli society, including business, academia, and the military.

It's crucial to distinguish between Israel's policies within its internationally recognized borders and the situation in the occupied territories. The term "apartheid" is often applied specifically to the situation in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, where different legal, political, and economic conditions are experienced by Israelis and Palestinians.
 
Some would deny the truth even if you place it before their eyes.

The sad thing , is that Palestinains could have had a country long ago , if it was not for Hamas.

Do people here still think that the Palestinians would be able to build a country , as long as Hamas is in power ?

Do people here really think , that anyone would hand over the billions , it would now take to rebuild Gaza , to Hamas . After what they did with the money last time ?

And let say that , for arguement sake , that Hamas gets a country .

What sort of country do people here imagine it would be ?




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They are not interested with truth, they just seek justification for their obsession with the ideology and destruction of Israel rather than development to get freedom from poverty and living in peace.
 
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It must suck to constantly have to spam propaganda and misinformation to justify Israel’s actions. I bet it’s getting much harder for you



Had you noticed , it was not me that brought this topic into this thread.

Had people here not been denying it ( some making disgusting comments I would not repeat ) there would be no need to discuss it or go into disturbing details.

It is not just Israel media reporting it , but other main stream media ( sorry if this is not the usual , shallow , one line , anonymous tweets you are used to ) as well , News reporters that are not always in favour of us.

Do read and come back to us :


Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October , BBC​


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The Rape of the Israeli Women​

Hamas’s crimes on Oct. 7 were deliberate and systematic. Why has the left been disbelieving, silent or equivocal?​




Attackers laughed as they raped and murdered a woman in Israel on October 7​




‘Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7​

A Times investigation uncovered new details showing a pattern of rape, mutilation and extreme brutality against women in the attacks on Israel.



Whatever your view of the Israel-Hamas war, rape is rape. To trivialise it is to diminish ourselves​






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