Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[LeonBlack08]

As per my understanding, her administration scraped the reservation in 2018. But the regional courts reinstated the reservation. Therefore, the gov. has raised this matter in Bangladesh's apex court.

If what I heard on the news is true, then I don't understand why her administration is held responsible for the reservation.

That's because what you don't see is that in Bangladesh under Hasina regime, she is the supreme authority. Court decided whatever she wanted and had no independence. That's the structure of an autocratic regime.

 

[Dalit]

UPDATE

Social Media reports - unverified

Major General Ziaul Ahasan was apprehended in the Dhaka airport. He was on a emirates flight.

This individual was head of RAB and notorious for abduction, torture and extrajudicial killing. Hasina loyalist.
He was sacked from army yesterday.

Get the bastard and make an example out of him.

 

[Wood]

That's because what you don't see is that in Bangladesh under Hasina regime, she is the supreme authority. Court decided whatever she wanted and had no independence. That's the structure of an autocratic regime.

This is a very subjective opinion. Almost in every country, supporters of the opposition party will label the incumbent administration as fascist / autocratic, etc. Even in Canada, this is no different.

The only tangible problem that I can see is her decision to scrap the practice of 'care-taker' administration to conduct elections. For nascent and immature democracies, this is a necessary process to handle the smooth transition of power.

 

[Afif]

This is a very subjective opinion.

Or it just could the whole truth.

Anyway, it's the 'subjective' opinion of 90% of the people. So...

That's why no political party was needed to kick her out. Students and the people did it by themselves.

 

[LeonBlack08]

UPDATE

Social Media reports - unverified

Major General Ziaul Ahasan was apprehended in the Dhaka airport. He was on a emirates flight.

This individual was head of RAB and notorious for abduction, torture and extrajudicial killing. Hasina loyalist.
He was sacked from army yesterday.

This is now confirmed.

They recalled Emirates 585 to get after the plane had left the gate.

Social media efforts led this arrest.

 

[Afif]

This is now confirmed.

They recalled Emirates 585 to get after the plane had left the gate.

Social media efforts led this arrest.

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Hope he will get hanged, alone with Harun and others. (Through the trial process of course)

 

[LeonBlack08]

This is a very subjective opinion. Almost in every country, supporters of the opposition party will label the incumbent administration as fascist / autocratic, etc. Even in Canada, this is no different.

The only tangible problem that I can see is her decision to scrap the practice of 'care-taker' administration to conduct elections. For nascent and immature democracies, this is a necessary process to handle the smooth transition of power.

Please, you are coming in with very minimal knowledge about inner workings of Bangladesh and I don't have the time to elaborate it again. Please go through the earlier pages of the thread or search up articles, this has been discussed thoroughly.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Hope he will get hanged, alone with Harun and others. (Through the trial process of course)

Also DGFI and DG NSI chiefs in last few years need to be arrested.

 

[Meengla]

I hardly follow Bangladesh much. My few comments about that country were something like 'Look at Bangladesh marching ahead due to the stability under Hasina. She has made peace with India and is focusing on progress'. I even thought Pakistan should replicate that model-- have stability for 10-15 years to educate people and build infra and THEN talk about the grand ideas of 'democracy' etc.
And I have not necessarily changed those ideas! As @UKBengali said in a post many pages ago [I saw his post and have basically been skimming this thread--not enough time], the stability and the infrastructure under Hasina can be the bedrock on which Bangladeshi people can build upon if they move on wisely. So, in that sense, I look positively at Hasina. Pakistan too has examples of when relative stability under the 3 military regimes, especially under Ayub Khan, when Pakistan built enough to move forward.
Chaos is the worst enemy for a country!! Bangladesh wasted a lot of time due to the infighting between Hasina and Khalida and Hasina's rule made up for some of the lost time. Similar chaos happened in Pakistan in the lost decade between 1989-1999 due to Benazir-Nawaz infighting. Pakistan went backward from that decade onward!
$uck democracy until you educate enough people to understand democracy!

I guess my opinion is of a minority here but it is what it is.

 

[LeonBlack08]

I hardly follow Bangladesh much. My few comments about that country were something like 'Look at Bangladesh marching ahead due to the stability under Hasina. She has made peace with India and is focusing on progress'. I even thought Pakistan should replicate that model-- have stability for 10-15 years to educate people and build infra and THEN talk about the grand ideas of 'democracy' etc.
And I have not necessarily changed those ideas! As @UKBengali said in a post many pages ago [I saw his post and have basically been skimming this thread--not enough time], the stability and the infrastructure under Hasina can be the bedrock on which Bangladeshi people can build upon if they move on wisely. So, in that sense, I look positively at Hasina. Pakistan too has examples of when relative stability under the 3 military regimes, especially under Ayub Khan, when Pakistan built enough to move forward.
Chaos is the worst enemy for a country!! Bangladesh wasted a lot of time due to the infighting between Hasina and Khalida and Hasina's rule made up for some of the lost time. Similar chaos happened in Pakistan in the lost decade between 1989-1999 due to Benazir-Nawaz infighting. Pakistan went backward from that decade onward!
$uck democracy until you educate enough people to understand democracy!

I guess my opinion is of a minority here but it is what it is.

I couldn't care less about democracy either. Stability sounds good, except you are not considering the ginormous amount of corruption and money laundered out of Bangladesh. It is estimated in last 15 years 93 billion dollars were laundered out of Bangladesh.

As for other economic achievements - I can go in depth of how the govt fudged GDP data and economy is in a worse condition than what BAL projected to the world. Of course there were some infrastructure development and credit to her, but overall it is a net negative for the people of Bangladesh.

 

[UKBengali]

I hardly follow Bangladesh much. My few comments about that country were something like 'Look at Bangladesh marching ahead due to the stability under Hasina. She has made peace with India and is focusing on progress'. I even thought Pakistan should replicate that model-- have stability for 10-15 years to educate people and build infra and THEN talk about the grand ideas of 'democracy' etc.
And I have not necessarily changed those ideas! As @UKBengali said in a post many pages ago [I saw his post and have basically been skimming this thread--not enough time], the stability and the infrastructure under Hasina can be the bedrock on which Bangladeshi people can build upon if they move on wisely. So, in that sense, I look positively at Hasina. Pakistan too has examples of when relative stability under the 3 military regimes, especially under Ayub Khan, when Pakistan built enough to move forward.
Chaos is the worst enemy for a country!! Bangladesh wasted a lot of time due to the infighting between Hasina and Khalida and Hasina's rule made up for some of the lost time. Similar chaos happened in Pakistan in the lost decade between 1989-1999 due to Benazir-Nawaz infighting. Pakistan went backward from that decade onward!
$uck democracy until you educate enough people to understand democracy!

I guess my opinion is of a minority here but it is what it is.

Great post and Hasina did do great things but she also had an authoritarian streak.

She kind of ruined it when she got into office in 2009 by lauching her venedetta against her arch opponents and having them killed in what were no better than "show-trials", where the verdict was always going to be guilty and death.

Maybe she felt she had to do the repression thing to stay in power but that slowly built up a lost of hostility in sections of the general population against her.

Like I have said before this is 2024 and not 2004 anymore and so maybe BD is ready now in terms of education, social and economic infrastructure to build on the good things that AL did as far as the economy was concerned.

Democracy may just work and be reasonably stable and we can get some medium-long term planning as far as infrastructure and other projects are concerned, with one government just carrying on what another started. In the past the first things they did was to undo everything that was done by previous government, no matter how much this was against the national interest.

The key is to use the state institutions and law to get justice, keep out the worst of the corrupt and incompetent from power like Khaleda Zia and there is no reason that BD cannot again be a fast growing economy that steadily uplifts the living standards of the population at large.

All the foundations are there to make BD a success, it just needs a decent political system to come into play to build on it.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Major Gen Ziaul Ahsan's misdeeds summarized

He has been sacked by army today and now arrested while trying to flee. Guess his misdeeds caught up with him finally.

Obtained from Shafiqul Alam who is the AFP bureau Chief in Bangladesh

 

[Al-Zakir]

This is now confirmed.

They recalled Emirates 585 to get after the plane had left the gate.

Social media efforts led this arrest.

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Bastards, hang that sob in front of Baitul Mukkaram.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

That is disappointing. Modi wants to ditch Hasina.

Modi killed 4K Muslims in Gujrat to become Bharat's PM.

I hardly follow Bangladesh much. My few comments about that country were something like 'Look at Bangladesh marching ahead due to the stability under Hasina. She has made peace with India and is focusing on progress'. I even thought Pakistan should replicate that model-- have stability for 10-15 years to educate people and build infra and THEN talk about the grand ideas of 'democracy' etc.
And I have not necessarily changed those ideas! As @UKBengali said in a post many pages ago [I saw his post and have basically been skimming this thread--not enough time], the stability and the infrastructure under Hasina can be the bedrock on which Bangladeshi people can build upon if they move on wisely. So, in that sense, I look positively at Hasina. Pakistan too has examples of when relative stability under the 3 military regimes, especially under Ayub Khan, when Pakistan built enough to move forward.
Chaos is the worst enemy for a country!! Bangladesh wasted a lot of time due to the infighting between Hasina and Khalida and Hasina's rule made up for some of the lost time. Similar chaos happened in Pakistan in the lost decade between 1989-1999 due to Benazir-Nawaz infighting. Pakistan went backward from that decade onward!
$uck democracy until you educate enough people to understand democracy!

I guess my opinion is of a minority here but it is what it is.

What you suggested is OK for countries that are run by her indigenous Deep States like Turkey, Pakistan etc. But, BD needs to build her very own Deep State first....

 

[Meengla]

Great post and Hasina did do great things but she also had an authoritarian streak.

She kind of ruined it when she got into office in 2009 by lauching her venedetta against her arch opponents and having them killed in what were no better than "show-trials", where the verdict was always going to be guilty and death.

Maybe she felt she had to do the repression thing to stay in power but that slowly built up a lost of hostility in sections of the general population against her.

Like I have said before this is 2024 and not 2004 anymore and so maybe BD is ready now in terms of education, social and economic infrastructure to build on the good things that AL did as far as the economy was concerned.

Democracy may just work and be reasonably stable and we can get some medium-long term planning as far as infrastructure and other projects are concerned, with one government just carrying on what another started. In the past the first things they did was to undo everything that was done by previous government, no matter how much this was against the national interest.

The key is to use the state institutions and law to get justice, keep out the worst of the corrupt and incompetent from power like Khaleda Zia and there is no reason that BD cannot again be a fast growing economy that steadily uplifts the living standards of the population at large.

All the foundations are there to make BD a success, it just needs a decent political system to come into play to build on it.

Bangladesh HAD 'democracy' when Hasina and Khalida were causing the mayhem. Pakistan HAD 'democracy' when Nawaz and Benazir were causing the mayhem. Even India, in late 80 into early 90s, HAD 'democracy' but the powerplay between the major parties started to send India to which, Indians were wise enough to do a course correction and now everyone knows India took off after early 90s.
So my enduring message is 'stability'. Continuation of policies between administrations. I don't espouse the grand ideas of 'Tabdeeli' or 'MAGA' etc when I look at the leadership, respectively.
In case of BD, whatever Hasina accomplished, will stay in BD and will be the foundation upon which BD people will build upon. She might have siphoned off money--but that accusation is labeled against almost all rulers and even Hunter Biden is not spared of shady business. What matters is if a nation built enough foundation to jump higher. And to me, looking from a distance, Hasina was overall a positive factor in BD. I don't want to look at through the petti Pakistan vs India prism--I want to look at her through the BD prism.