Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[hydrabadi_arab]

Bangladesh will turn into another Pakistan : Sazeeb Wazeed

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Her mother fled Bangladesh and left behind IMF program. So looks like Bangladesh already turned in to Pakistan. As BD go through few hard years because of Hasina mismanaged economy and fake data, this narrative will be used a lot by by their loyalists.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Forced Indianization of Bangladesh didn't last long.

I hardly follow Bangladesh much. My few comments about that country were something like 'Look at Bangladesh marching ahead due to the stability under Hasina. She has made peace with India and is focusing on progress'. I even thought Pakistan should replicate that model-- have stability for 10-15 years to educate people and build infra and THEN talk about the grand ideas of 'democracy' etc.
And I have not necessarily changed those ideas! As @UKBengali said in a post many pages ago [I saw his post and have basically been skimming this thread--not enough time], the stability and the infrastructure under Hasina can be the bedrock on which Bangladeshi people can build upon if they move on wisely. So, in that sense, I look positively at Hasina. Pakistan too has examples of when relative stability under the 3 military regimes, especially under Ayub Khan, when Pakistan built enough to move forward.
Chaos is the worst enemy for a country!! Bangladesh wasted a lot of time due to the infighting between Hasina and Khalida and Hasina's rule made up for some of the lost time. Similar chaos happened in Pakistan in the lost decade between 1989-1999 due to Benazir-Nawaz infighting. Pakistan went backward from that decade onward!
$uck democracy until you educate enough people to understand democracy!

I guess my opinion is of a minority here but it is what it is.

Why not look at India model. Despite Modi who is hell bent on destroying their democracy. Obviously Modi have damaged Indian institutions to make it 1 party state but there is still hope left there.

Hasina Bangladesh enjoyed some good years of GDP growth but then she started to fake economic numbers and even export numbers. They had to go to IMF last year. So its not like Bangladesh economy was stable or booming when she fled.

 

[Afif]

Her mother fled Bangladesh and left behind IMF program. So looks like Bangladesh already turned in to Pakistan.

It didn't though. It's actual economic indicators are still better than Pakistan as of now.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

It didn't though. It's actual economic indicators are still better than Pakistan as of now.

Yes but things are going in Pakistan way

Budget For Fy25: 53pc rise in allocation for debt servicing​

Budget For Fy25: 53pc rise in allocation for debt servicing

The government’s allocation to repay foreign debts may reach Tk 57,000 crore in the next budget, a 53 percent rise from the current year, putting further pressure on the country’s dwindling foreign currency reserves.

www.thedailystar.net

 

[Al-Zakir]

Also DGFI and DG NSI chiefs in last few years need to be arrested.

I think a gun is pointed at Waqar otherwise how could he change over night? It seems like things are moving in the right direction.

What do you think?

 

[Afif]

I think a gun is pointed at Waqar otherwise how could he change over night? It seems like things are moving in the right direction.

What do you think?

No, I think he is more like a gentleman. In fact from what I am hearing, he tried to made the right decision earlier. But Hassina's goon like Major general Zia and several others were pressuring him to not to pull out army's support from Hassina's regime. And then when she fled, they pressured him again for military takeover, and if not at least form the interim government with the people of their choosing. That's why we saw sudden changes in high command today. Thankfully none of their plans worked.

 

[Nilgiri]

Unless you have been living under a rock or something the core of USA-China disputes deal with trade/technology. You are expecting USA to comply with GATT/WTO rules when China breaks them with impunity. In the long run an intelligent version of Trump will pursue a sorched earth policy against countries that run surpluses with USA and run huge deficits with China. Of course there are practical limitations. That is one of the potential directions we are headed.

Again I was just pointing out what is on the plate for the US and West to concern themselves with (regd PRC, w.r.t executive and legislative action both in their legislatures and w.r.t WTO specific chapters on things like dumping, internal standards, and subsidies), before they concern themselves with flexing anything regarding mundane pricepoint sensitive goods regarding countries like BD regarding their politics and strategic decisions that occupy maybe a 0.1% relevance in comparison for whats at stake.

If the US has a problem with BD "politically" (with its decisions that SHW/BAL already charted w.r.t PRC and capital account over whats the equivalents the US and general world market has there in comparison)..... or some influence to contour for next batch of years in whichever realm of note concerning US-BD, there are far more direct ways to bring that about.

You wouldn't believe the amount of talk BD folks, friends of mine had over effects of US decision to prosecute in its way the BD RMG sector after that factory/plaza collapse in 09? or some year.....i.e bring worker and safety standards up at source so no blood on RMG imported. They explained all kind of conspiracy theories regd that alone, that Obama disliked Hasina intensely for her suppressiong of Yunus (who is friendly with Clinton and thus democrats and Obama etc etc).

Really I use occam's razor as far as possible for subcontinent stuff vs US and any large outside entity in general. I use measure of politeness with friends who go along the various theories and emotions anyway....because in the end we are friends and there are others things of note to do with them past these cul de sacs we have no control over in the end.

What BD does regd PRC and future trajectory is BD business in the end to deploy, get consequences (good and bad and grey from it regd all downstream effects), get feedback and re-orient.

 

[Afif]

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So, that's basically the crux of the matter for us in India-BD bilateral relation. Although he put it very mildly, but I wouldn't.

 

[Meengla]

Why not look at India model. Despite Modi who is hell bent on destroying their democracy. Obviously Modi have damaged Indian institutions to make it 1 party state but there is still hope left there.

Hasina Bangladesh enjoyed some good years of GDP growth but then she started to fake economic numbers and even export numbers. They had to go to IMF last year. So its not like Bangladesh economy was stable or booming when she fled.

PDF Pakistanis have long deluded themselves with wishful thinking that Modi is bad for India. My argument against Modi was restricted to something like 'IF Modi takes the Hindutva too far then India is in trouble because alienating tens of millions of Muslims would be really bad'. Whether Modi does that or not, remains to be seen. And, yes, I am aware of the Cow Vigilantes etc.

Otherwise, Modi is running a cleaner and more efficient govt than Indian National Congress and is masterfully using the Hindu sentiments to his advantage while India still progresses.

The Indian Muslims--like almost all Muslims or Non Muslims of the Subcontinent are not revolutionaries or militaristic; they are all essentially meek! Yes, meek! If they were not then a mere 100,000 Brits won't be ruling hundreds of millions. For truly independent people, you have to look at Pakistan's extreme northwest and beyond that. But I digress.

As for Hasina-- and apologies if I sound like her 'fan'. I am not. I am objectively speaking: She stabilized Bangladesh and has built enough to let the next generation of BD to use whatever she has built. Her achievements are partly because she lasted so long.

 

[Nilgiri]

That is a temporary phenomenon, caused by the coming to power of the Sangh Parivar.

Yah lets have look at where sangh havent come to power, i.e non-sangh bastion:

KERALA LEGISLATURE - MEMBERS- 15th KERALA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

Members - Kerala Legislature

India is vast, I had to point out to a friend while pointing at map of India at Indian restaurant lobby (with kerala cuisine theme)....this coastal land very near to my neck of woods....has same population as Canada essentially.

 

[Nilgiri]

Sheik Hasina's tenure as the leader of Bangladesh saw the country's economy grow many folds. Bangladesh's economy became the envy of her neighborhood. History will judge her kindly for this achievement.

Who is expected to succeed her?

oh god, not you again.

Whole waves of ultimate cringelordism in old PDF....

 

[Oscar]

Yah lets have look at where sangh havent come to power, i.e non-sangh bastion:

KERALA LEGISLATURE - MEMBERS- 15th KERALA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY

Members - Kerala Legislature

India is vast, I had to point out to a friend while pointing at map of India at Indian restaurant lobby (with kerala cuisine theme)....this coastal land very near to my neck of woods....has same population as Canada essentially.

Blame the mercator map - actually its the size of half the US . Also when I try to explain to even educated Pakistanis high on Muhibbul Watani that they are barely just larger than the top half of the east coast.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/thetruesiz...4MTM3MDc)Mg~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)MA

 

[Oscar]

PDF Pakistanis have long deluded themselves with wishful thinking that Modi is bad for India. My argument against Modi was restricted to something like 'IF Modi takes the Hindutva too far then India is in trouble because alienating tens of millions of Muslims would be really bad'. Whether Modi does that or not, remains to be seen. And, yes, I am aware of the Cow Vigilantes etc.

Otherwise, Modi is running a cleaner and more efficient govt than Indian National Congress and is masterfully using the Hindu sentiments to his advantage while India still progresses.

The Indian Muslims--like almost all Muslims or Non Muslims of the Subcontinent are not revolutionaries or militaristic; they are all essentially meek! Yes, meek! If they were not then a mere 100,000 Brits won't be ruling hundreds of millions. For truly independent people, you have to look at Pakistan's extreme northwest and beyond that. But I digress.

As for Hasina-- and apologies if I sound like her 'fan'. I am not. I am objectively speaking: She stabilized Bangladesh and has built enough to let the next generation of BD to use whatever she has built. Her achievements are partly because she lasted so long.

Not just about Meek - its also they are apathetic.

Life goes on in the subcontinent because food grows and rain falls and you can lose 4 out of 11 kids but have your next generation ready.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

PDF Pakistanis have long deluded themselves with wishful thinking that Modi is bad for India. My argument against Modi was restricted to something like 'IF Modi takes the Hindutva too far then India is in trouble because alienating tens of millions of Muslims would be really bad'. Whether Modi does that or not, remains to be seen. And, yes, I am aware of the Cow Vigilantes etc.

Otherwise, Modi is running a cleaner and more efficient govt than Indian National Congress and is masterfully using the Hindu sentiments to his advantage while India still progresses.

The Indian Muslims--like almost all Muslims or Non Muslims of the Subcontinent are not revolutionaries or militaristic; they are all essentially meek! Yes, meek! If they were not then a mere 100,000 Brits won't be ruling hundreds of millions. For truly independent people, you have to look at Pakistan's extreme northwest and beyond that. But I digress.

As for Hasina-- and apologies if I sound like her 'fan'. I am not. I am objectively speaking: She stabilized Bangladesh and has built enough to let the next generation of BD to use whatever she has built. Her achievements are partly because she lasted so long.

British ruled Asian Subcontinent because of superior military technology. lol.

 

[Nilgiri]

Blame the mercator map - actually its the size of half the US . Also when I try to explain to even educated Pakistanis high on Muhibbul Watani that they are barely just larger than the top half of the east coast.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/thetruesiz...4MTM3MDc)Mg~!CN*OTkyMTY5Nw.NzMxNDcwNQ(MjI1)MA

Yah but this was just a map of India, no mercator effect etc....just his conventional wisdom that India "is pretty big" etc. Kerala you kind of have to focus in even when its just map of India size wise. It is what lies to west of the ghats that divide from us eastern folk in TN. Where I'm from is a gap in these ghat mountains that makes us a long term bridge between both. A long story.