F-16 Officially In Ukrainian Service

[j_hungary]

Doesn't need much analysis paralysis, pay attention to media release by Ukraine and observe what weapons those F16s are carrying. They are clear what they need these F16s for.

You can't contest air space with Anti-Air weapon alone, you also need SEAD and DEAD, or Russian surface defence WILL shoot you down. You don't just go Air-to-Air on superiority fight.

Again, unless either Ukraine fancy gaining Air Superiority in Russia or Russia fancy flying anything in Ukraine, I don't see any aerial engagement for those F-16, I mean do tell me what are they going to be shooting at if either they won't go to Russia, or the Russian aren't coming for them?

 

[last-soul]

Can't wait for these to be shot down or destroyed on the tarmac.

 

[UKBengali]

You can't contest air space with Anti-Air weapon alone, you also need SEAD and DEAD, or Russian surface defence WILL shoot you down. You don't just go Air-to-Air on superiority fight.

Again, unless either Ukraine fancy gaining Air Superiority in Russia or Russia fancy flying anything in Ukraine, I don't see any aerial engagement for those F-16, I mean do tell me what are they going to be shooting at if either they won't go to Russia, or the Russian aren't coming for them?

Russia SU-35 can carry R-37M that while it probably won't be able to shoot down the small and nimble F-16 will be useful in stopping them from carrying out their missions anywhere but far from the front line.

R-37M has a range of up to 400km and so could still loiter 100km behind the front line and pose a threat to F-16s even 200km behind the front line.

 

[j_hungary]

Russia SU-35 can carry R-37M that while it probably won't be able to shoot down the small and nimble F-16 will be useful in stopping them from carrying out their missions anywhere but far from the front line.

R-37M has a range of up to 400km and so could still loiter 100km behind the front line and pose a threat to F-16s even 200km behind the front line.

Do you know what is a R-37M??



Those aren't designed for Fighter, those are for slow moving aircraft like AWACS, Transport or Bomber...It has absolutely no point to fire those 400km away on a F-16.

And how exactly it "Pose a Threat" like you said when you also say "it probably won't be able to shoot down the small and nimble F-16"

I don't understand this logic....

 

[SecularNationalist]

Old outdated F16s given to Ukraine. Inferior both by quantity and quality compared to russian air force.
That's what they can afford for Ukraine as of now most of their money is being spent to finance the genocide of Palestine.

 

[Lulldapull]

Old outdated F16s given to Ukraine. Inferior both by quantity and quality compared to russian air force.
That's what they can afford for Ukraine as of now most of their money is being spent to finance the genocide of Palestine.

Nobody wants to buy warplanes nor warships nor tanks anymore.

Only a bewquff sucker can be fooled now.

Irani don’t wanna touch Su-35 with a 10’ pole.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

45 year old F-16 ain't going to make a difference. They need F-35.

Lol F16s are enough for crap Russian hardware and military technology

 

[SolarWarden]

Russia SU-35 can carry R-37M that while it probably won't be able to shoot down the small and nimble F-16 will be useful in stopping them from carrying out their missions anywhere but far from the front line.

R-37M has a range of up to 400km and so could still loiter 100km behind the front line and pose a threat to F-16s even 200km behind the front line.

Lol. That is not how it works. The 400km claim is optimum conditions meaning it is fired at high altitude while target is flying high and straight. Missile never travels 400km btw.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Russia SU-35 can carry R-37M that while it probably won't be able to shoot down the small and nimble F-16 will be useful in stopping them from carrying out their missions anywhere but far from the front line.

R-37M has a range of up to 400km and so could still loiter 100km behind the front line and pose a threat to F-16s even 200km behind the front line.

R-37M is not for fighter jets but for the against big RCS slow moving targets like AWACS/ tankers and other ISR platforms

 

[SecularNationalist]

Nobody wants to buy warplanes nor warships nor tanks anymore.

Only a bewquff sucker can be fooled now.

Irani don’t wanna touch Su-35 with a 10’ pole.

Yea drones can do the job cheaply.

 

[UKBengali]

Do you know what is a R-37M??

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Those aren't designed for Fighter, those are for slow moving aircraft like AWACS, Transport or Bomber...It has absolutely no point to fire those 400km away on a F-16.

And how exactly it "Pose a Threat" like you said when you also say "it probably won't be able to shoot down the small and nimble F-16"

I don't understand this logic....

I know that but they would be useful to fire against F-16s that are out on CAP or about to launch ground attacks against Russian targets.

F-16 would then have to take evasive action to avoid being hit and so reducing the effectiveness or scuppering the mission totally.

Russia can use twin missiles fired a few seconds apart to really increase the threat to the F-16. First missile forces the F-16 to take evasive action and the 2nd one just slams straight into it, after it has stopped its evasive manouevre to avoid first missile.

Russians are already doing this and so the F-16 would have to use the same tactics as the other aircraft in UAF have been doing over the last 2 years.

 

[UKBengali]

Lol. That is not how it works. The 400km claim is optimum conditions meaning it is fired at high altitude while target is flying high and straight. Missile never travels 400km btw.

That is why my example used 300km distance between the 2 planes.

F-16s will have to keep low to avoid being targeted by this missile from 250-300km away.
That would be a win for Russia.

Mig-29s and other UAF aircraft are already using these tactics to avoid the R-37M.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

That is why my example used 300km distance between the 2 planes.

F-16s will have to keep low to avoid being targeted by this missile from 250-300km away.
That would be a win for Russia.

Mig-29s and other UAF aircraft are already using these tactics to avoid the R-37M.

First Su35 have to detect small targets like F16s at 250-300 km range ( F16s has a much less RCS as compared to Su-35 3m2 to 5m2 which is much less Su-35 RCS of 8m2 to 10m2) after that talk about the tracking and engagement range which are much less than detection range,

So why Su-35 has least chance to see and destroy F16s, and F16s has a advantage over Su-35 to detect/track and engage Su-35 earlier than Su-35 could detect/track and engage F16s because Su-35 has bigger RCS than armed F16s

So Su-35 has no chance to destroy F16s at range of 250-300 km range, understand sir

 

[Lulldapull]

Yea drones can do the job cheaply.

Yaar just watch iranis will shoot down an F-35 and that will totally destroy that Demi god of the F-35. It will demolish the whole program and officially usher in the unmanned drone era!

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Ah according to @Lulldapull every military equipment could fail in front of junk Iranian military hardware lol