Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[samejjangir]

Like? How much billions of USD we earn doing business with india?

It is not just trade with India but raw material, machinery etc which can be used for export to other countries also count. That is significant. India can take out atleast 30% of BD textile exports by restricting raw cotton & machinery supply

 

[samejjangir]

Tell us how many Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis go to settle or work in Russia, North Korea, Mongolia, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia

If I can tell you - Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis would line up in droves to work for or live in American allies whether it be European, GCC or Singapore.

Actions speak louder than words

That is because of reserve currency and that is because of deals with GCC for petrodollar. It is the same way Indians go to Middle east to work. It is about the petroleum power. If GCC withdraws & refuses dollars, then things will change drastically

 

[UKBengali]

It is not just trade with India but raw material, machinery etc which can be used for export to other countries also count. That is significant. India can take out atleast 30% of BD textile exports by restricting raw cotton & machinery supply

First part is correct but 2nd is not.

India has no such power as BD has other options to get its cotton, albeit at slightly higher prices.

Yes BD will lose but so will India in as that is over 2 billion US dollars.

There is no way that India will give up on 15 billion US dollars on textile exports just to help BD.

 

[samejjangir]

What ground realities would these be? Today's? Yesteryears? Before 1950? Before 1959? Before 1962?

Are you aware of the history of the demarcation of the eastern borders of Ladakh, taken over by the princely state of J&K, and taken up by the British?

Please don't say half-baked things that might make sense to you, but have no connection with 'ground realities'.
For your information, there was no road in that region. The first road was built by a Chinese cavalry commander after they had occupied Tibet.
To learn how Aksai Chin, a region and not a road, became part of India, you have to learn about the history of the geography. It might make your head hurt, but do try.
There was no magic to it, as it was - and is - barren, unclaimed land with no habitation.
Once you have read a book or two, you might get a better grasp of the Sino-Indian border situation.

Do you know that Tibet was an autonomous region with Qin empire itself and has been the case since 14th century? There was no paved road as it is today which is obvious as the asphalt roads didn't exist even 100 years ago in China. But there was definitely a trader's route during summer (it would close in winters from snow).
Please give me one battel or conquest of any princely state in Aksai Chin before talking about claims. I am clearly saying that for at least last 500 years (possibly even thousands of years) no known Indian king has sent any army to Aksai Chin. So, there is absolutely no logic in how any of the princely states of British demarcated it as part of their territory. That ends all debates about Indian claim on Aksai Chin

There is zero economic control. Nothing that we have provided cannot be replaced by China and by Pakistan.



What ground realities would these be? Today's? Yesteryears? Before 1950? Before 1959? Before 1962?

It is difficult to find out where to start and where to end, faced with such abysmal ignorance.

The BDR is the equivalent of our border force, the BSF. It patrols Bangladesh's borders, hence its name. During this patrolling, it has frequently clashed with the BSF, and the two forces have exchanged fire.

The BDR was also disgruntled at not being entitled to the coveted UN assignments that the Army - the Bangladesh Army - got, and in the incident in question, rose up in mutiny, slaughtered Army officers in their cantonment, and held hostages, as well as detaching a formation to assassinate political figures. This is quite distinct from intermittent firing on the borders, and quite clearly, you do not know the difference.

The BDR never went rogue; they fired under orders, and had the full support of their superior officers, for that matter, even of the Bangladesh Army.

They did not go rogue, as mentioned earlier. As to why the Bangladesh leadership backing them, there was never any question of giving in to what was perceived as the high-handed behaviour of the BSF. There was no question of lip service or of killing BDR soldiers by India at will.

Again, to enlighten your ignorance, there was more free fire from the BDR than from the BSF.

It is difficult to understand where a fevered imagination and a total lack of information can take some of our naive members.

I was not the one who said BDR went rogue but it was you who made that statement & I was just showing it as false. Since you agree that BDR never went rogue, my point that Bangladesh govt was involved in firing at BSF stands true. And India has every right to retaliate massively.

I suggest you look up how many days' ammunition the Indian Army has, at its disposal. You might be surprised; judging by your performance so far, you will be surprised.

Also, nobody needs indigenous artillery. The Pakistanis use Chinese weaponry, because you shoot with a gun, not show off your technical and production expertise.

Finally, you should educate yourself on the progress - or the lack of it - of artillery procurement by the Indian Army. Other than the imported ultra-lightweight M777 and the self-propelled K9, nothing much has happened. So don't talk about achievements that are all on paper.

How can China or USA or Pakistan supply artillery or any weapon/Ammunition to BD? India can easily blockade the Bay of Bengal and there is no other route for BD to get arms.
As for Indian artillery, India never tells the purchases of fully indigenous equipments. It never told about T72, BMPs, MPV, INSAS, missiles or any indigenous equipments purchase quantity and it will never tell the purchase of ATAGS, Dhanush etc. Only initial token numbers will be shown and rest all hidden due to classified nature. But as long as India has the ability to manufacture, it is only a matter of time for India to make any quantity it wants. BD does not have that ability to ramp up production in response to India as it does not have indigenous technology.

I doubt it. You displayed your usual total ignorance when the question came up, and even now, I doubt that you can name the tribes that occupy both sides of the India-Myanmar border.


No. Do your homework. The Bangladesh government has had its own friction with armed formations on the Rakhine frontier, but not with the other three, with which its borders do not overlap.

Really, it is difficult to understand how you can spout such nonsense with not the slightest information about the facts.

I don't understand your point. I am just asking for you to name the source from which the NE & Burmese tribals buy their arms & ammunition for such prolonged warfare. Yes, if it was just 1 hit or few sporadic operations, then limited quantity can be secretly smuggled. But to fight for years, one will need continuous flow of arms & ammunition & there will be a well established supply route. If you are denying BD's involvement in selling arms to NE/Burmese tribals, then name an alternative source

 

[samejjangir]

Lol, army has 35x tube artillery regiments in total (18x guns in each regiment)

29x field artillery regiments with 105mm and 122mm guns.

5x medium regiments with long range 130mm and 122mm guns.

1x regiment of 155mm SP guns.

@Joe Shearer I love the fact how Bhakts thinking resemble Putin (the idiot they simp for) They are gonna disable Bangladesh army within a day or two! Lmao.

Here's the reality.

Bangladesh army has 10 Divisions. To effectively apply force against us, Indian army would need to allocate 15 Divisions at least. Given the current size of Indian army, it is not a realistic option for them as it would alter the balance on the ground with Pak and PRC.

And yes, IAF is huge and powerful. Capable of inflicting significant damage on Bangladesh and it probably will. Of course, on the other hand BAF is almost non existent.

But we don't really need BAF to inflict real damage on IAF. Majority of IAF Eastern Command critical bases within less than 120km of BD. The advantage of proximate Geography goes both ways.

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We saw with GMLRS in Ukraine what precision guided Rocket artillery can do. Bangladesh has 1x Regiment of TRG-300 which has 120km range and high precision capability with anti-jamming feature.

Keep in mind of North of BD has relatively denser vegetation. Our GMLRS batteries would be incredibly hard to find and destroy. (World 'second most powerful army' couldn't destroy more than 3 or 4 HIMARS launchers in Ukraine after 2 years of war.)

Also, Hassina previously mentioned Army is buying tactical ballistic missile. Which was then reported to be Turkish Khan with 280km range. That would significantly increase the reach of Bangladesh army.

On the other hand, S400 proven to be terrible against GMLRS and ATACMS. And AKASH + MRSAM is not designed to intercept ballistic targets. (MRSAM will likely have some success) Though India has limited strategic BMD, that is not deployable in the region. Nor those systems are optimized against intercepting $100k guided rockets.

In any full scale war scenario, Bangaldesh armed forces have the ability to damage IAF Eastern Command capabilities in the North. Leaving the frontier exposed to PLA and PLAAF.

Also, keep in mind in such war
China would likely flood us with intelligence and targeting data. They have tons of great assets for that and more importantly they can do that wihtout any cost or risk from within their sovereign territory. And there is not much India could do about it.

There is no reason for India to initiate armed conflict with Bangladesh unless we invade or threaten their territory. Which is never gonna happen. Only Bhakts lunatics think it make sense to initiate armed hostilities with a new set of 175 millions while already having two nuclear armed adversaries (one is almost a superpower) on its border with active claim on its sovereign territories and who fought wars against India in the past for it.

@Oscar @Bengal71

India has WLR (weapon locating radars) that will find all BD artillery & mortar positions. India also has satellite and can easily detect & pinpoint any formations & critical infrastructure quickly.
It is not going be a riot fought hand to hand.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Please give me one battel or conquest of any princely state in Aksai Chin before talking about claims.

Battle of Chushul August 1842.

Now get lost. Permanently, if possible.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Understandable.

Why humiliate yourself?

OK , Let us Not Talk of BENGALI intelligence

Why talk of Bangladesh when you have the Failed Model of West Bengal ,which is always used as a metaphor and example for How to Ruin a State which was one of the Best Indian states in the 50s and 60s

Intellectual Bengalis in India have abandoned it and now after migrating to other states sermonise others

 

[Joe Shearer]

Why talk of Bangladesh when you have the Failed Model of West Bengal ,which is always used as a metaphor and example for How to Ruin a State which was one of the Best Indian states in the 50s and 60s

Look up the history of the systematic deprivation of facilities to West Bengal, and then chirp up.

 

[Bengal71]

First part is correct but 2nd is not.

India has no such power as BD has other options to get its cotton, albeit at slightly higher prices.

Yes BD will lose but so will India in as that is over 2 billion US dollars.

There is no way that India will give up on 15 billion US dollars on textile exports just to help BD.

Bangladesh depends on India for nothing. There is nothing significant Bangladesh buys from India that can't be sourced elsewhere.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Look up the history of the systematic deprivation of facilities to West Bengal, and then chirp up.

The Journey from West Bengal to Waste Bengal is one of your own making

Please Go to Twitter and Give these lectures and people will correct your misconceptions

You cannot get away with lies in the Era of Twitter

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Bangladesh depends on India for nothing. There is nothing significant Bangladesh buys from India that can't be sourced elsewhere.

You ever heard of Transport costs

 

[Bengal71]

You ever heard of Transport costs

Yes. You guys can still be replaced.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The Journey from West Bengal to Waste Bengal is one of your own making

Possibly, but how would someone as ill-informed as you know the difference?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Please Go to Twitter and Give these lectures and people will correct your misconceptions

You cannot get away with lies in the Era of Twitter

I am sure that your nanny will take comfort from your having a source of education.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes. You guys can still be replaced.

There are two really dense characters polluting this thread. I wish I was moderating the thread; they would have been dealt with effectively. My apologies.