Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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Alter_Ego
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The good benevolent democratic United States should save all the jews from barbarian middle east. Create a brand new jewish state in Texas or Florida, where the jews can live in peace and harmony. The good people of Texas and Florida will gladly vacate their own properties willingly in order to save the jews.
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VCheng
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And yet that was the only source that you could come up with to support your earlier claim. How ironic.
Mehmed Beg
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VC
You often take the middle conservative road but on this one you are falling down.
There is umpteen proofs on the net showing what he said as factual. Jews creating a ethnic cleansed state - apartheid - collective punishment - killing innocent whilst waiting for water. Rape and celebrating death - yet you are fingering for specific proof? Come on VC - Dont go their - i think its time to accept the ICJ et al conclusion and that Netanyahu is answerable in a court of law for the very least - genocide.
VCheng
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Please allow me to explain.
The proof I requested was for the specific claim made that Israel has accepted responsibility for Ismail Haniyeh's assassination. After all, Iran has NOT shown ANY evidence to support its claim that Israel was responsible.
The rest of your comments are more general. I will also remind you that the there were war crimes committed by Hamas, not just Israel.
Instead of being so conveniently one-sided, may I respectfully suggest we all learn to be more fair in judging both sides of a complex issue.
Musings
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Once again you are assuming this conflict started in October last year.
In history wherever there is an occupying force - you will naturally have a resistance force. Look at France WW2 for example.
The build up of 70 years of pressure have resulted in where we are today. The Israeli needed an excuses and Hamas certainly gave them this. Dont you see even October events are questionable - the figure changes from 1400 to 1200 to 1000 on a regular basis depending on which Jewish source you believe in.
Now what is going on today is genocide and ethnic cleansing of a land that is being occupied by a state hell bent on turning everything blue and white.
You can (as usual) attempt to sit on the fence or want to wait and see - we, with the international courts will call a spade a spade - this is the reality of today.
VCheng
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^^^ This is the reality.
Regardless of who is right or wrong, it is those who fight harder and smarter who win the war.
Further, I have been very clear and consistent all along: Neither side can kill or remove completely the other as much as either may wish to do so. Hence, the solution can only be creating the conditions for both to be able to live side by side in peace, dignity and prosperity.
There is no doubt that Israel's conduct is not doing it any favors. Neither is Hamas's.
There is nothing I have said above that is sitting on the fence.
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Meengla
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Iran is playing a long term game and Israel is already badly hurting even if some people don't see that. So, in that sense, why stop a winning strategy, especially when both the Americans and the Iranians don't want a regional war? All Resistance leaders are marked for assassination and Haniyeh was not an exception to that.
Having said that, there will be a more than a 'token attack' this time but the strategy would be to limit civilian casualties in Israel. I also think Netanyahu is being forced to accept a ceasefire by the Americans. Even Biden has had enough of Netanyahu.
But we shall see...
PS. If only the Gazans had even a tenth of the firepower that Israel and its backers have then the dynamics would be far more favorable to the Palestinians.
clutch
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No irony there. Just fact.
sumit_123
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It's all about achieving military and political objectives, Israel wants to grind Hamas to the ground and cut Hezbollah to size. If they are able to destroy Hamas as we know it, able to have prolonged presence in Gaza in form of checkpoints, buffer-zone and policing/free hand for operation etc and establish PA or Arab coalition as administrators there so that no rockets are fired and no terror attacks happen, I would say they have won the war.
US and Israel blow hot blow cold rhetoric is just for media consumptoon I would like to belive
100% Agreed
VCheng
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And yet, you came up with no other source to support what you had stated earlier except the very people you described thusly. Also a fact. And ironic.
hussain0216
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I disagree, I think Israeli have lost big regardless of what happens
In essence they are trying to establish themselves in a region that hates them, that will inevitably end up in defeat one way or the other, it's only a matter of time, because your banking on the status quo ALWAYS remaining the same and the surroundings states to never progress and that's impossible, because the one this you can bank on is that change is inevitable
So Israeli were ripped from relative calm, where with U.S support they were making connections with the region, to today where Israel has been DECIMATED in international lawfare and declared by international law as a occupational state enforcing occupation and apartheid,
This has major long term consequences
It's behaviour has also been well documented, and it will be used against Israel and Jews everywhere
Hamas is just a movement, it's not individuals, Israeli behaviour has spread the resistance far and wide across the world
Israeli will drown themselves In their own actions and with the pressure on their society, the demographic issues facing Israel and their fractured politics
The clock is ticking for Israel
clutch
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Next time do your own research, schmuck.
the assassination, when the guards were seen on security camera footage on the day of the assassination moving stealthily in the hallway towards the room where Haniyeh planned to stay, opening the door with a key and entering the room.
Three minutes later the guards (who were offered a six-figure sum each as well as immediate relocation to a northern European country) were captured on camera calmly leaving the room, going down the stairs towards the main entrance of the building, leaving and then getting into a black car. The guard at the parking lot checkpoint recognised them and opened the gate without asking any questions. An hour later they were smuggled out of Iran by the Mossad.
The full inside story of how Israel assassinated Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran – minute by minute
Hamas boss Haniyeh’s assassination, which was decided on after October 7, necessitated a complicated set of arrangements from a network of Mossad spies
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