PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Few precise points:

1- Confirm - J31 is coming to PAF Color.
2- When? - Soon and what that soon is we don't know it. My guess is 2028-2030 at earliest but it could be anytime between 2026 to 2035.
3- How many? - We don't know.
4- Funds? - Pak Armed Forces always able to get what they need and they will get it in J31 case too.
5- PAF always get things with support systems and same will happen with J31 case too.

P.S. Just my understanding .......... not any inside news.

 

[Yasser76]

Only direct counter to purchase of 40 F-16 were Mirage 2000. MiG-29s were purchased for the planned purchase of Peac Gate III & Peace Gate IV F-16s which never materialized.

BTW completely off topic but you still haven't managed to give proof of your claimed shootdown of MiG-21 by F-6 in 1971.
Even your Kaiser Tufail denies that.
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Try and keep things off topic, posters like you turn interesting threads into flame wars

 

[Oscar]

In the 1980s, the PLA engaged in continuous rotational warfare with the Vietnamese army in the south while needing to maintain high vigilance against the Soviet Union to the north. Meanwhile, China had just emerged from the "Cultural Revolution," and the country was extremely impoverished, requiring substantial construction funds. The Chinese government was unable to cover the PLA's extensive expenses. Under pressure, the CCP allowed the military to engage in business and granted certain privileges so that the PLA could cover most of its expenses itself, easing the financial burden on the state.

Due to financial pressures and policy directions, both the PLA and the world saw many changes:
1. Some mysterious companies emerged (China Poly), and many Third World countries saw a proliferation of Chinese copies of the AK47 and other light weapons.
2. China’s DF3 ballistic missiles appeared in Saudi Arabia.
3. Many companies with military backgrounds emerged in the civilian sector in China. Wealthy individuals drove military license plate cars on the streets.
4. The military saw a surge in various corruption issues, and officer promotions became a matter of monetary transactions.
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I was born in the 1970s and personally experienced and felt that chaotic period of history.This is a part of history that the Chinese people reluctantly remember and wish to forget.

We do not want Pakistan to repeat this history...........
We hope the people of Pakistan can resolve their current economic issues effectively.

Unfortunately - Pakistan has already reached that status in 3 out of the 4 points you mentioned.

 

[harpy1]

I fia b

That is not the point, even the US and China, which eclipse India do not have as many ongoing projects in development combined!

China

FC-31/J-35
6th Gen

US

NGAD - USAF
NGAD - USN

India

Tejas Mk1/Mk1A
Tejas MK2
ORCA
TEDBF
AMCA


Every country has a finite amount of resources and even Japan/UK/Italy need to combined resources for 1 single fighter. India attempting 5 on it's own is madness.

India has two fighter projects alive and in funding and development
Tejas mark 2 and Amca
Which Indian air force have officially backed and selected and mostly likely will induct in the future

Tedbf is naval fighter anf very early in development and the navy may just order more Rafale M

Orca is not happening at all

Finally Tejas mark 1 or 1a is not under development it's here in service and in assembly stage
Ie just like jf17 or j10 albeit early years of manufacturing and induction

Two projects for Indian resources now and the future is about right being the third largest gdp and budget on the planet from now on in ...it's realistic

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Few precise points:

1- Confirm - J31 is coming to PAF Color.
2- When? - Soon and what that soon is we don't know it. My guess is 2028-2030 at earliest but it could be anytime between 2026 to 2035.
3- How many? - We don't know.
4- Funds? - Pak Armed Forces always able to get what they need and they will get it in J31 case too.
5- PAF always get things with support systems and same will happen with J31 case too.

P.S. Just my understanding .......... not any inside news.

In fact, a level headed Bharati defense analyst Praveen Swahney, the editor of the Force magazine and author of The Last War, stated after 02-27 skirmish that the PAF would get well funded for it had shown it's asymmetric prowess over the IAF as it had fearlessly struck the military targets with impunity without any thoughts over retribution. The PAF's dominance over the IAF is the deterrence, and the Pak Deep State would maintain it at any cost so that its hands are free for other "excursions"....

The former PAF officials with proven credibility have publicly stated they want to maintain "see first, shoot first" capability. And, it's being implemented in verbatim...

 

[Oscar]

As a Chinese, I also hope that FC31 will arrive in Pakistan as soon as possible.

As senior military enthusiasts, we must approach these news with rigor. We cannot become overly excited just because of a little bit of information, which is the difference between senior military enthusiasts and ordinary people.

We need evidence like this

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Just on this note I can state with a high degree of confidence that for the J-10C the PAF pilots & officials were being familiarized with the type PRIOR to this sort of ceremony.

However, that doesn’t mean that funding issues will not come into play and as you rightly pointed out the economy is in complete shambles and even if there is an “underground” military economy it is still subject to the overall conditions facing Pakistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Few precise points:

1- Confirm - J31 is coming to PAF Color.
2- When? - Soon and what that soon is we don't know it. My guess is 2028-2030 at earliest but it could be anytime between 2026 to 2035.
3- How many? - We don't know.
4- Funds? - Pak Armed Forces always able to get what they need and they will get it in J31 case too.
5- PAF always get things with support systems and same will happen with J31 case too.

P.S. Just my understanding .......... not any inside news.

Maintaining deep states don't come free for it's the precursor to have some semblance of deterrence with indigenous military industrial complex. As for Turkey, 40% of her economy is kept "undocumented" for a reason.....

 

[Yasser76]

I fia b

India has two fighter projects alive and in funding and development
Tejas mark 2 and Amca
Which Indian air force have officially backed and selected and mostly likely will induct in the future

Tedbf is naval fighter anf very early in development and the navy may just order more Rafale M

Orca is not happening at all

Finally Tejas mark 1 or 1a is not under development it's here in service and in assembly stage
Ie just like jf17 or j10 albeit early years of manufacturing and induction

Two projects for Indian resources now and the future is about right being the third largest gdp and budget on the planet from now on in ...it's realistic

Tejas MK1A is very much "in development". they are even considering another engine
M2 - In development
AMACA - In development
TEDBF - In development (Navy but still a fighter project)
ORCA - Unsure

All of these projects are going at a snails pace as they all require funds, scientists, infrasctucture.

Every one else is racing ahead with 5th gen. No country, even India, has enough money to support them all.

US has largest GDP on the planet. They only have two active fighter programmes. go figure....

 

[harpy1]

The Indian air force to me has a road map to modernisation that looks like this

Su30mki upgrade to super mki 84 planes at first batch only upto 2025/2035
Tejas mark1a 120 minimum by 2028/2029
Tejas mark 120 minimum starting 2030/2035
Amca 2040
MRFA 114 additional Rafale F4/F5

I don't see anything else unless the air force pulls plug on Tejas mark 2 and Amca
In this scenario sejf sufficiency drive will be buried and become import dependent on USA Europe or Russia

I think Amca Tejas are here to stay no matter how painfully slow

Even if Pakistan buys few J31 I don't see India panicking because overall Rafale Tejas super mki in no's is very good air force

 

[harpy1]

Tejas MK1A is very much "in development". they are even considering another engine
M2 - In development
AMACA - In development
TEDBF - In development (Navy but still a fighter project)
ORCA - Unsure

All of these projects are going at a snails pace as they all require funds, scientists, infrasctucture.

Every one else is racing ahead with 5th gen. No country, even India, has enough money to support them all.

US has largest GDP on the planet. They only have two active fighter programmes. go figure....

No Yasser
Orca and Tedbf may fly prototype but they will not be acquired

Rafale will be added to navy and Airforce guaranteed

Tejas will arrive with GE engines and Amca will initially be tested with GE engines and assembly line is being set up in India for this

But India will design and build it's own next generation engine with France to ensure Amca and future Tejas variants can fly with Indian engines

This pain to self sufficiency will not stop
But MRFA may well be last big overseas purchase

 

[Yasser76]

The Indian air force to me has a road map to modernisation that looks like this

Su30mki upgrade to super mki 84 planes at first batch only upto 2025/2035
Tejas mark1a 120 minimum by 2028/2029
Tejas mark 120 minimum starting 2030/2035
Amca 2040
MRFA 114 additional Rafale F4/F5

I don't see anything else unless the air force pulls plug on Tejas mark 2 and Amca
In this scenario sejf sufficiency drive will be buried and become import dependent on USA Europe or Russia

I think Amca Tejas are here to stay no matter how painfully slow

Even if Pakistan buys few J31 I don't see India panicking because overall Rafale Tejas super mki in no's is very good air force

"The Indian air force to me" gist of the problem right there buddy....

 

[Yasser76]

No Yasser
Orca and Tedbf may fly prototype but they will not be acquired

Rafale will be added to navy and Airforce guaranteed

Tejas will arrive with GE engines and Amca will initially be tested with GE engines and assembly line is being set up in India for this

But India will design and build it's own next generation engine with France to ensure Amca and future Tejas variants can fly with Indian engines

This pain to self sufficiency will not stop
But MRFA may well be last big overseas purchase

Wow, you choose youR opinions depending on what thread you are on. So know you know for sure there is no interest in TEDBF?

So why is HAL putting resources into development? Maybe you should email the Chairman of HAL and break the news to him and you seem privy to it

And even developing a prototype requires a lot of resource

 

[harpy1]

"The Indian air force to me" gist of the problem right there buddy....

I don't know why you calling Tejas mark one under development it's dog fighting typhoon and Rafales

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[Yasser76]

I don't know why you calling Tejas mark one under development it's dog fighting typhoon and Rafales

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MK1A is still under devlopment, read up on it more, I never said MK1

 

[harpy1]

"The Indian air force to me" gist of the problem right there buddy....

Let me compare current Pakistani air force in service fighters

24 j10 not sure all delivered as yet
30.block 3 thunders
120 block thunder 1/2
55 F7

18 block 52s falcons
55 F16 block 30/40
50/75 mirage 3/5

5 different types right now

Defense Budget 8 billion

India
36 Rafales
40 Tejas mark 1
265 su30mki
65 mig29m
50 mirage 2000/5
120 jaguars

Six types

Defense budget 75 billion dollars

Considering your painfully tiny resources you do well
But I don't see big inductions of Chinese fighters ever you don't have the resources

In contrast I see big orders for India almost certainly happening
Might be late but it's happening

Just for your reference India navy finally signed the project 75i German submarine deal 7 billion dollars ...I know you have critiqued this in past so the air for e will follow suit ...things are slow too slow you ate right but the govt eventually do provide the resources