Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[r3alist]

Normalisation is off the table for a long time

 

[Meengla]

There are reports after reports from Israel suggesting there is no clear goal for what it is trying to do in Gaza. What is certain is that an army that has no clear goal of what it is trying to achieve can never win a war.

Overall good post! You are right: While the body count in Gaza is an epic tragedy, they have more or less achieved their objectives of derailing the progress of the Abraham Accord to include Saudi Arabia, at least for now. And you are right: The Soviets also lost many, as did the Vietnamese as did the Afghans but they all eventually prevailed.
And Israel is aware of it. Especially, Netanyahu knows that short of his 'total victory', his own political future is dark and Israel's own viability would be a big question mark. It would be like a nuke on Israel if the educated, connected European-origin Jews lose faith in Israel's viability and leave en masse to Europe; they have the means to do so!

As to quoted part: Gone are the talks of the Sinai Tent City or the mass expulsion through the so called Gaza Peer. Both would be to Israel's liking but were not feasible due to the large, resistant population in Gaza, plus there is enough international pressure to prevent that--even from the seemingly collaborative Arab nations. I think what Netanyahu wants to achieve is to engineer a regional war to bring in the Americans and in the 'fog of war', destroy and expel Gazans into the Sinai.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It seems clear the UK has assisted Israel’s breaches of international law. Surely Labour can do better than deny it​

It seems clear the UK has assisted Israel’s breaches of international law. Surely Labour can do better than deny it | Sam Fowles

The new foreign secretary has access to data not available to the public – and has a duty to model respect for the law, says barrister Sam Fowles

www.theguardian.com

Full Legal Text here : https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Israel-UK-Advice-Draft-F_INAL.pdf

>> UK's actions in the Gaza genocide are thoroughly shameful.

 

[KingQamaR]

Overall good post! You are right: While the body count in Gaza is an epic tragedy, they have more or less achieved their objectives of derailing the progress of the Abraham Accord to include Saudi Arabia, at least for now. And you are right: The Soviets also lost many, as did the Vietnamese as did the Afghans but they all eventually prevailed.
And Israel is aware of it. Especially, Netanyahu knows that short of his 'total victory', his own political future is dark and Israel's own viability would be a big question mark. It would be like a nuke on Israel if the educated, connected European-origin Jews lose faith in Israel's viability and leave en masse to Europe; they have the means to do so!

As to quoted part: Gone are the talks of the Sinai Tent City or the mass expulsion through the so called Gaza Peer. Both would be to Israel's liking but were not feasible due to the large, resistant population in Gaza, plus there is enough international pressure to prevent that--even from the seemingly collaborative Arab nations. I think what Netanyahu wants to achieve is to engineer a regional war to bring in the Americans and in the 'fog of war', destroy and expel Gazans into the Sinai.

Regardless of the role IHamas Mujahideen plays in this conflict, the Saudi governments themselves have repeatedly mentioned that any normalisation with Israel would have to be part of a comprehensive peace process where the Palestinians get a real state of their own. Not to even mentioned the Saudi people themselves are against the normalisation process to begin with, and that Israel would have to make serious concessions if it wants real people-to-people relations and not just yet another "peace treaty". like the ones they signed with Egypt, where the population is still very hostile to Israel.

 

[Mobius]

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[Meengla]

Regardless of the role IHamas Mujahideen plays in this conflict, the Saudi governments themselves have repeatedly mentioned that any normalisation with Israel would have to be part of a comprehensive peace process where the Palestinians get a real state of their own. Not to even mentioned the Saudi people themselves are against the normalisation process to begin with, and that Israel would have to make serious concessions if it wants real people-to-people relations and not just yet another "peace treaty". like the ones they signed with Egypt, where the population is still very hostile to Israel.

Yes. As far as I know, the Saudi govt. never publicly agreed to join the Abraham Accords unless and until Palestinian sovereignty was respected. And now it is near impossible given the massacre in Gaza.
I believe Israelis are trying to manipulate the Saudis by offering a 'concrete path to a Palestinian State' of some sort. Israelis would never allow that unless they are strategically defeated--on the battlefield! Not in the PR war, not in the boycott divestment, not in the diplomatic war, not even in the economic war. But on the battlefield. That's how hardened Israelis are against the Palestinians. So for the Saudis to fall for some hollow 'promise' knowing Israel's real intentions would be stupid and also cruel to the Palestinian.
Behind the closed door, the Americans are trying to convince the Saudis to make a historic wrong deal with Israel.

 

[BP2]

It's plausible....its easy for a godless rat to support an ethno fascist terror state.

It's more than plausible, it is the truth.
A God? What kind of god is it to let its servants be killed in unsuccessfull and futiles wars? These is why I'm now atheist. But I understand a religian can be a help in life.

 

[KingQamaR]

Yes. As far as I know, the Saudi govt. never publicly agreed to join the Abraham Accords unless and until Palestinian sovereignty was respected. And now it is near impossible given the massacre in Gaza.
I believe Israelis are trying to manipulate the Saudis by offering a 'concrete path to a Palestinian State' of some sort. Israelis would never allow that unless they are strategically defeated--on the battlefield! Not in the PR war, not in the boycott divestment, not in the diplomatic war, not even in the economic war. But on the battlefield. That's how hardened Israelis are against the Palestinians. So for the Saudis to fall for some hollow 'promise' knowing Israel's real intentions would be stupid and also cruel to the Palestinian.
Behind the closed door, the Americans are trying to convince the Saudis to make a historic wrong deal with Israel.

Negotiate for a Palestinian independent state instead of working on a Saudi deal. Wouldn’t that be more effective to this intractable conflict?

 

[UKBengali]

"In Rome live as a roman".
We are tired to see strangers, 90% muslims (sorry) that want to change our way of life, while they are jobless and left their own muslim paradise (case of Algerians for exemple).
Is it so difficult to understand?

White racists are not the most bright or logical people.

They demand that legal immigrants to their countries follow their own culture but then support the implantation of a settler entity that takes an alien culture into Palestine and the heart of the Arab world.

One rule for their home country and another for their beloved settler entity in Palestine, that did not even have the consent of the owners of the land to set up shop there.

 

[Meengla]

Negotiate for a Palestinian independent state instead of working on a Saudi deal. Wouldn’t that be more effective to this intractable conflict?

It would be a big mistake to underestimate the Israeli desires and plans to have a much larger Israel. That's the underlying cause of this and other conflicts in that region. They want to have as many Jews from the world to come to Israel as possible and for that they are going to need a larger Israel and of fertile land. Lebanon, up to the Litany River, would have been gobbled up by now had it not been Hezbollah. Golan is not only strategic location but also good land.
Israelis want fertile land. As much as possible. Why would they give up the West Bank when they already possess it? Only through force they would concede anything.

 

[KingQamaR]

"In Rome live as a roman".
We are tired to see strangers, 90% muslims (sorry) that want to change our way of life, while they are jobless and left their own muslim paradise (case of Algerians for exemple).
Is it so difficult to understand?

So integration means for you taking drugs being homosexuals Which other "Christian " or western values you want to impose?

 

[UKBengali]

It would be a big mistake to underestimate the Israeli desires and plans to have a much larger Israel. That's the underlying cause of this and other conflicts in that region. They want to have as many Jews from the world to come to Israel as possible and for that they are going to need a larger Israel and of fertile land. Lebanon, up to the Litany River, would have been gobbled up by now had it not been Hezbollah. Golan is not only strategic location but also good land.
Israelis want fertile land. As much as possible. Why would they give up the West Bank when they already possess it? Only through force they would concede anything.

This feeds into the Trump speech where he talked about the enity needing more land.

 

[r3alist]

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