Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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mulj
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In that sense you are right that they are part of political leverage game but as i am aware jews current leadership committed them self to the goal of "destroying" Hamas and that they would accept only their unconditional surrender, which, by my opinion, renders the value of the hostages to the zero but Hamas still has no angle to materialize that into value for them.
925boy
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Ok.
Why can't PMF in Iraq go to Syria then Israel or Syria then Lebanon to fight Israel?
Why not the Syrian or Lebanese routes to fight Israel to liberate Palestine? I am asking to understand why they aren't good options, they at least provide direct access to Israel.
925boy
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Lets see what traitorous Abbas will do when West Bank gets the genocide treatment Israel gave Gaza.
Palestinians in West Bank need to first get rid of Abbas- he is the trojan horse installed within the Palestine-West Bank structure that ensures it remains toothless and vulnerable to Israeli and US control and infiltration.
mulj
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From purely military perspective and doctrine which resistance conducts those you mentioned are actually ony sane options available. Golan should have been drilled day and night last ten years to prepare tunnels and underground military bases, if that happened it could have been easily activated now or in future.
Jordan and Egypt importance is only for smuggling operations to support local resistance in occupied territories.
mulj
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You know very well that things does not work like that and that Syria agency is non existent in any capable way without Iran or Russia heavily assistance.
925boy
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Gaza's fighting spirit (and resources) proves this is not true. GCC doesn't have the willpwer to do anything, not that they actually cant.
Always, and usually death, eventually.
Did these GCC countries notify their population when they sold their sovereignty to their imperial masters? if they didn,t thats criminal and traitorous and they should be removed by their peoples asap, via revolutions (because they are the most effective route for stubborn slave-minded leaders like GCC leaders).
UKBengali
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Killing the POWs would have given the Zionist entity almost total support from the west to "eliminate Hamas" which in effect means eliminate the Gazans.
Remember they(entity) stated 2 goals after October 7th - irradicate Hamas and bring back the POWs.
If Hamas say after 2-3 months of the genocide said that all the POWs had been executed then what little restraint had been put in place would have been removed.
This execution of POWs would have been the first admission of either side to openly committing war crimes and so the entity has in an instant the upper hand.
Now by eliminating individual POWS as the Zionist terrorists try to free them they send a message to the soft and pampered settlers. You want any of your fellow settlers back, then agree an end to this genocide on Gaza. Your terrorist forces have no ability to get any of them back alive.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
it's because of the prisoners they are even paying lip service to negotiations
and because of the prisoners that Gallant and Gantz and the IDF and the unions are opposing Bibi and calling for strikes and a ceasefire
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
Huge protests in Israel against Bibi regime sacrificing Israeli prisoners for endless war
Persian Gulf
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UKBengali
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Even the most fanatical Zionist media in the UK are saying that the time is now for a ceasefire:
www.telegraph.co.uk
"Execution of Israeli hostages may force deal to finally end war
Cold-blooded killing of six people held captive by Hamas for 11 months could topple Benjamin Netanyahu’s fragile coalition government"
"The execution in cold blood of six Israeli hostages by Hamas fighters in southern Gaza could topple Israel’s fragile coalition government and finally force a deal that ends the 11-month war.
Certainly it will create tremors in Israel that reverberate for many years to come.
Rather than surrender their prisoners and hand Israel another victory, it seems Hamas shot them one at a time, leaving their corpses to be found by advancing IDF forces some 20 metres underground.
The fear and despair they must have experienced in those moments after being held hostage in Gaza for more than 10 months is scarcely imaginable.
The tragedy - which in some respects recalls the Munich massacre of 1972 in which 11 Israeli Olympians were executed by cornered Palestinian terrorists during a botched rescue attempt - may yet mark an inflection point.
At the time of writing, a one-day general strike was in the offing, while hostages’ families, opposition politicians and even Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, blamed Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, for sabotaging the ceasefire talks."
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As with Munich, the latest tragedy is made worse by the fact that the release of the hostages was so tantalisingly close. Three of the six, including the young US-Israeli Hersh Goldberg-Polin who survived losing an arm in the Oct 7 assault, had been slated for immediate release as part of the ceasefire negotiations.
The Munich rescue was botched by the Germans and led to an unwritten social contract being adopted in Israel: that no Israeli held hostage would ever again be left behind.
On Sunday, the Hostages’ Families Forum demanded Mr Netanyahu make a public appearance to “take responsibility” for the deaths of the hostages, rather than hide behind the IDF."
"
Mr Gallant meanwhile called on the security cabinet to reverse the decision made last week to continue an Israeli presence along the Gaza-Egypt border - a decision that is widely seen as having sunk the hostage release talks in Cairo.
Announcing a general strike on Monday, Arnon Bar-David, chief of the Labor Federation, said “a deal is more important than anything else”.
Channelling the spirit of Israel’s unwritten social contact, he added: “We are no longer one people; we are camp against camp … we need to bring back the State of Israel.
“We are getting body bags instead of a deal.”
Yet despite mounting pressure, Mr Netanyahu remains resolute. He has long preferred to emphasise a second, less noble, lesson that Israel took from Munich: that terror should be met with terror through extrajudicial assassination of those responsible."
"
But the political rope Mr Netanyahu is walking is horribly thin. He has kept his fragile governing coalition going by pandering to the hard-Right.
If Mr Gallant were to resign or significantly larger numbers of people took to protesting on the streets - as some are calling for - it could collapse overnight.
Polls also show an overwhelming majority of Israelis want a ceasefire that sees the remaining hostages returned alive.
After the latest killings, the pressure is now so high that Mr Netanyahu may be forced to reconsider his position and reaffirm Israel’s social contract."
Execution of Israeli hostages may force deal to finally end war
Cold-blooded killing of six people held captive by Hamas for 11 months could topple Benjamin Netanyahu’s fragile coalition government
www.telegraph.co.uk
"Execution of Israeli hostages may force deal to finally end war
Cold-blooded killing of six people held captive by Hamas for 11 months could topple Benjamin Netanyahu’s fragile coalition government"
"The execution in cold blood of six Israeli hostages by Hamas fighters in southern Gaza could topple Israel’s fragile coalition government and finally force a deal that ends the 11-month war.
Certainly it will create tremors in Israel that reverberate for many years to come.
Rather than surrender their prisoners and hand Israel another victory, it seems Hamas shot them one at a time, leaving their corpses to be found by advancing IDF forces some 20 metres underground.
The fear and despair they must have experienced in those moments after being held hostage in Gaza for more than 10 months is scarcely imaginable.
The tragedy - which in some respects recalls the Munich massacre of 1972 in which 11 Israeli Olympians were executed by cornered Palestinian terrorists during a botched rescue attempt - may yet mark an inflection point.
At the time of writing, a one-day general strike was in the offing, while hostages’ families, opposition politicians and even Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, blamed Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, for sabotaging the ceasefire talks."
"
As with Munich, the latest tragedy is made worse by the fact that the release of the hostages was so tantalisingly close. Three of the six, including the young US-Israeli Hersh Goldberg-Polin who survived losing an arm in the Oct 7 assault, had been slated for immediate release as part of the ceasefire negotiations.
The Munich rescue was botched by the Germans and led to an unwritten social contract being adopted in Israel: that no Israeli held hostage would ever again be left behind.
On Sunday, the Hostages’ Families Forum demanded Mr Netanyahu make a public appearance to “take responsibility” for the deaths of the hostages, rather than hide behind the IDF."
"
Mr Gallant meanwhile called on the security cabinet to reverse the decision made last week to continue an Israeli presence along the Gaza-Egypt border - a decision that is widely seen as having sunk the hostage release talks in Cairo.
Announcing a general strike on Monday, Arnon Bar-David, chief of the Labor Federation, said “a deal is more important than anything else”.
Channelling the spirit of Israel’s unwritten social contact, he added: “We are no longer one people; we are camp against camp … we need to bring back the State of Israel.
“We are getting body bags instead of a deal.”
Yet despite mounting pressure, Mr Netanyahu remains resolute. He has long preferred to emphasise a second, less noble, lesson that Israel took from Munich: that terror should be met with terror through extrajudicial assassination of those responsible."
"
But the political rope Mr Netanyahu is walking is horribly thin. He has kept his fragile governing coalition going by pandering to the hard-Right.
If Mr Gallant were to resign or significantly larger numbers of people took to protesting on the streets - as some are calling for - it could collapse overnight.
Polls also show an overwhelming majority of Israelis want a ceasefire that sees the remaining hostages returned alive.
After the latest killings, the pressure is now so high that Mr Netanyahu may be forced to reconsider his position and reaffirm Israel’s social contract."
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
a bit simplistic but it's clear the US is trying to create an "Arab NATO" allied with Israel to defeat Iran.
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