Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Skukuza]

Yet again you think the date this started on the 7th October - It didnt.

There are ex Israeli soldiers on Utube confirming in the late 40s and 50s of their systematic rape of innocent Palestinian women and children. Imagine confessing to that? 1000s of people including children being locked up without trial for decades. 1000S disappearing? Their houses and land being stolen - yet you want to make us think it all started 7th October?
7th October was the consequences of what the Israeli have done over the last 75 years plus.
Defination of genocide - the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Pretty much what Israel is doing.

Have come to the conclusion with you - Can take the horse to water - but you cant force it to drink. Your natural hatred for Muslims shines through my little brown friend from France ( pretending you have NOTHING to do with India - even though you live on Indian forums).

I really cannot understand why people talk about 7 October 2023 as the starting point of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Yet all the issues which you mentioned in your post (which are actually extremely limited instances of the human rights abuse of Palestinians by Israel) seems to be forgotten as if never occurred. The western news channels all seem to point to 7 October almost indicating that prior to that there was no extermination of Palestinians, no Zionist settlers forcibly taking land from Palestinian farmers and no mass imprisonment and torture of Palestinians. As we say in South Africa, the right of Israel to exist as a nation, but subject to the creation of a sovereign and independent Palestinian state, is beyond debating. The right of Israel to commit genocide, hate a people for being a different religion, take land by force of neighboring farmers, torture Palestinians and kill them with advanced weapons is inhumane. The news channels (sometimes Al Jazeera as well) gives space to all the Israeli apologists to discuss how shattering it was to Israel on 7 October forgetting that it is human nature to fight back when you are being systematically tortured and murdered as a people

 

[Dalit]

Yet again you think the date this started on the 7th October - It didnt.

There are ex Israeli soldiers on Utube confirming in the late 40s and 50s of their systematic rape of innocent Palestinian women and children. Imagine confessing to that? 1000s of people including children being locked up without trial for decades. 1000S disappearing? Their houses and land being stolen - yet you want to make us think it all started 7th October?
7th October was the consequences of what the Israeli have done over the last 75 years plus.
Defination of genocide - the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Pretty much what Israel is doing.

Have come to the conclusion with you - Can take the horse to water - but you cant force it to drink. Your natural hatred for Muslims shines through my little brown friend from France ( pretending you have NOTHING to do with India - even though you live on Indian forums).

There is nothing to discuss with such people. When people don't flinch after 40000+ deaths nothing will move them.

Many Arab nations also don't seem to care. There is a lethargic response. Not my problem. I want to trade with Israel.

That only leaves the non-Arab Islamic countries with a few exceptions like Yemen. There should be separate bloc that has one voice.

 

[Musings]

There is nothing to discuss with such people. When people don't flinch after 40000+ deaths nothing will move them.

Many Arab nations also don't seem to care. There is a lethargic response. Not my problem. I want to trade with Israel.

That only leaves the non-Arab Islamic countries with a few exceptions like Yemen. There should be separate bloc that has one voice.

Yaar

Anyone that can say Palestinians are a plague for everyone on open forum - shows us the cloth he is cut from. A raging nut job that tarnishes all Muslims with the same brush - A hater of extreme - someone that has this level of hatred is difficult to comprehend the mindset.
I dont see the difference between a Muslim Hindu Jew kid. Anyone suffering or deprived of basic necessities to live - i hurt. This person celebrates death because of ethnicity or religion. You decide the cloth this brown gentleman (desperately trying to convince us hes white ) is cut from............

 

[hussain0216]

That's where we don't agree.
There are proof of jude on this land 1st century befor Jesus Christ, ie more than 2000 years ago.

Buddy those Jews were local Hebrews

The Jews today are NOT from Palestine

They all foreigners and occupiers

Even if a new is from the wider middle east, you cant just turn up in Palestine to steal the land and homes from the Palestinians
It's even worse when they are scum from Europe or America, literal white people pretending to be middle Eastern

These people are cancerous, they cannot remain in the middle east

The middle east needs peace and the Jews are horrible,
Europe managed to kill or kick out the majority of their Jews and the middle east got stuck with them

 

[Mehmed Beg]

Don't you think they just aspire to all live in peace near their family ?

If now IDF has clearly the lead in this war, every day israeli soldiers are wounded or killed. It's not an easy and without risk ball trap.
Maybe (and probably) there are here and here some fanatics, in the 2 sides, but most of all want to have a warfree life.

And can you document the fanatics on other side? We are waiting for that since 7th of October. All what we have gotten so far is " Trust me bro"
These people do not know how to deal with you and your kind.
I know very well, that there is no civilised debate with you that can lead to some sort of reasonable conclusion. So I never ask you why and because. I know that you're a pathological vermin and truly, you don't give and space for anything normal, so you got to be squashed.
I know it sounds cruel but what option do you leave???
Even here, when you or your Solomon brother are pressed, you pretend that actually nothing happened between us, is it true or people can't follow what has been posted on these boards???
Do you understand the necessity of putting you down as vermin?
What to do here?
Your thoths?

 

[Meengla]

The USA exemple is cruel, indeed. A point for you.
Israel will not leave this land. It's a fact. They will never been scratched. In case of, the 21st century Massada will occur : all the neignbors and Iran will be nuked before diying themselves.
If palestinians only solution is to take all (form the sea to the river) they will have... nothing !
Sole solution is a dual state. Palestinians missed several opportunities. But if they stand in a "full land" or nothing solution, they will stand with nearly nothing.

You are speaking falsehood which I doubt even you believe in! The nearest to a viable Palestinian State talked about was shortly after the Camp David 2000 talks in the Taaba Conference where Israelis seemed open to a contiguous Palestinian State but Israelis didn't want to offer even that and even denied Palestinian sovereignty in East Jerusalem and suggested Ramallah as the Capital. Israelis NEVER EVER wanted to live as equals with the Palestinians and thus the conflict continues.
Please educate yourself of the facts!

Europe managed to kill or kick out the majority of their Jews and the middle east got stuck with them

Imagine some historic dates: 1492 when the Muslim rule in Spain ended and Muslims/Jews were kicked out of Europe and Muslims gave the historic, long shelter to the European Jewry. And imagine 1945 when the Europeans again kicked out Jews and forcefully dumped and supported them in the Muslim land.
Next time: No one should give shelter to such exclusionary, racist people! Maybe an island in the middle of the Pacific IF there are no natives already living there.

 

[Liquidator]

Once again i don't agree with the word genocide in this situation.
If israel had decided a genocide it is not 50k deads (assording to the untrustable and non contradictory Hamas data) but 2 millions so far (because Israel forces are far more potent and numerous than Hamas, and because Gaza is now surrounded by Israeli forces and the sea : no excape possible).
You seem to forget that the first mass rapes and steal in houses came 7th october by Hamas troops and supporters.

Hamas sowed the wind, it reaps the storm.

Your English has improved all of a sudden, you are letting the charade slip.

 

[BHAN85]

I am not convinced. I am not satisfied with the role that the Arab people have thus far played. It has been very meager. The Arab leaders that side with Israel should have been shivering with fear from the people. They haven't.

In peaceful shows of support, like donations, GCC people show massively support to Palestinian people.

Complain about their rulers is another thing, it's not safe do that there, I wouldn't do.

 

[BHAN85]

The USA exemple is cruel, indeed. A point for you.

Israel will not leave this land. It's a fact. They will never been scratched. In case of, the 21st century Massada will occur : all the neignbors and Iran will be nuked before diying themselves.
If palestinians only solution is to take all (form the sea to the river) they will have... nothing !
Sole solution is a dual state. Palestinians missed several opportunities. But if they stand in a "full land" or nothing solution, they will stand with nearly nothing.

Most of Israel common people would be happy of a new safe life in USA, but they can't.

USA is not interested in peaceful solutions.

Israel state is the tool of USA to bring mayhem to the richest oil zone in the world.

USA will keep giving Israel all kind of weapons, because that is what they want from Israel: endless wars and division in the zone.

Problem here is people trend to believe USA endless lies, main thing someone must keep in mind to understand current world: USA always lie, it's the most liar empire in mankind history and it's not interested in development and richness far from their borders when energy resources and raw materials start to run out. It's a natural, they just protect their own interests, but for reason, people thinks USA is a kind of NGO .

 

[Meengla]

Most of Israel common people would be happy of a new safe life in USA, but they can't.
USA is not interested in peaceful solutions.
Israel state is the tool of USA to bring mayhem to the richest oil zone in the world.
USA will keep giving Israel all kind of weapons, because that is what they want from Israel: endless wars and division in the zone.
Problem here is people trend to believe USA endless lies, main thing someone must keep in mind to understand current world: USA always lie, it's the most liar empire in mankind history and it's not interested in development and richness far from their borders when energy resources and raw materials start to run out. It's a natural, they just protect their own interests, but for reason, people thinks USA is a kind of NGO .

I think what you are saying here was the dominant policy of America for the Middle East. The same policy still remains but I also think, with the growing threat/competition from China, the American policy is shifting--you know, the 'Indo Pacific Pivot'. Even America can't fight in Ukraine, in Middle East and in the Pacific at the same time.
So, yes, Israel, Jordan and some European vassal states are still the 'useful idiots' for the American Neo Con Empire, China is a big threat to the Empire.

Going forward, I believe, if the Israeli Lobby allows American policy makers, then Americans would rather expand the Abrahamic Accords, create a token Palestinian State, and largely leave the Middle East alone. The Israel Lobby is working directly against American interests!! And I dare say: Against the interests of Israel itself. It is not for no reason that Trump said something like 'If Kamala Harris wins the Presidency, Israel may not exist after 2 years'. I strongly believe the influence of the Israel Lobby is becoming less and less on the Democrats while a large part of the Republican 'base' is very pro Israel even if we remove the Lobby as a factor.

But you, as a Eurasian knows well, how Americans are ruining it not just for the Middle East but also for Europe!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

@BP2

The USA exemple is cruel, indeed. A point for you.

Israel will not leave this land. It's a fact. They will never been scratched. In case of, the 21st century Massada will occur : all the neignbors and Iran will be nuked before diying themselves.
If palestinians only solution is to take all (form the sea to the river) they will have... nothing !
Sole solution is a dual state. Palestinians missed several opportunities. But if they stand in a "full land" or nothing solution, they will stand with nearly nothing.

We don't have agreement on this BP2
"Israel will never be scratched"

This can only be possible , if they had a forcefield, Magic lamp , or mystical power. We don't live in Holywood

• Israel is being given a jolt every day by Resistance force of Palestine

On Diplomatic Front:
1- Genocide International case against them
2- Daily losses Personal and Property (Seem like losses)
3- Loss of vital Military assets
4- Economy destruction 40,000-60,000 businesses closed

The neighbours have not even started a war on it


Imagine what would happen if they declared war on Tiny Israel

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

That's where we don't agree.
There are proof of jude on this land 1st century befor Jesus Christ, ie more than 2000 years ago.

The problem is not Jude on land , they also lived in Muslim nations, in fact Iran has lot of Jude as well doing just fine

The problem here Genocide and a Maniac force attacking Humans

Only a True maniac force attacks unarmed United Nation workers
Doctors and Medics , or attacks unarmed civilians

Recently the Maniac force killed a Turkish -American peace activist

The jude (Settler) is not native to Palestine , it was transported by Ship

It's like lets say , Eygpt filled up a large ship of Migrants from other part of world and dropped it on French Door step

Also the world generally has requested a two State solution , because that is generally the wish of World

 

[Mehmed Beg]

The problem is not Jude on land , they also lived in Muslim nations, in fact Iran has lot of Jude as well doing just fine

The problem here Genocide and a Maniac force attacking Humans

Only a True maniac force attacks unarmed United Nation workers
Doctors and Medics , or attacks unarmed civilians

The jude (Settler) is not native to Palestine , it was transported by Ship

It's like lets say , Eygpt filled up a large ship of Migrants from other part of world and dropped it on French Door step

Also the world generally has requested a two State solution , because that is generally the wish of World

No , their mere existence is the problem. Anywhere and everywhere.
Israel is just safe heaven for these creatures.
The problem which they have kept making, is not much different then they have been doing for millenia, shall reference even that? Is it necessary?
Vermin , which spreads any kind of social or somatic deasise.
They were killed The Prophets?
" Oh people of Israel, We saved you from Firaun and his army, which was killing your boys and leaving the girls, you watched the miracle yet you denied it" is something like that in Qur'an?
Or Hadith " Even the trees will say, come Oh Mumineen , a Jew is hiding behind me , come and kill him"
Isn't my thinking aligned with Qur'an and Sunnah?
What we should follow and strive for ? " Humanitarian " thinking or
" We hear and obey"????
No weakness, no mercy, no hesitation in fight vs the people who openly rebelled against Allah SWT and his Prophets.
Any thought of pity doesn't occur to me.

 

[BP2]

The problem is not Jude on land , they also lived in Muslim nations, in fact Iran has lot of Jude as well doing just fine

The problem here Genocide and a Maniac force attacking Humans

Only a True maniac force attacks unarmed United Nation workers
Doctors and Medics , or attacks unarmed civilians

Recently the Maniac force killed a Turkish -American peace activist

The jude (Settler) is not native to Palestine , it was transported by Ship

It's like lets say , Eygpt filled up a large ship of Migrants from other part of world and dropped it on French Door step

Also the world generally has requested a two State solution , because that is generally the wish of World

We do not and will never agree.

 

[Mehmed Beg]

Have these people laughed off even here any appeal for humanity?
They argued and lied ? Them and their leaders talked and did a lot of bestialities , no?
People with a minimum of minimum of decency wouldn't at least mock and openly enjoy the Genocide.
This is not the first time that, they are doing this, is it or not.
So , they, by the Muslims signed for their punishment.
Am I here to say " You are this and that and why " ? No.
They know it already.
So nothing what i saying here is out of the natural order of things