Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Alter_Ego]

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Thats so disgusting.
Trying to white-wash a colonial genocidal regime with superficial «sex & liberlalism» propaganda.

 

[Meengla]

So Hezbollah are strategically constrained because they are playing the long game meanwhile Israel can go wild

Well said.

The settlers know this is not their land and so will not be prepared to die for it unlike the people of the region.

You keep under estimating Israelis' attachment to Israel. Friend: It is not good to draw such conclusions because it feels good. Yes, there is a lot more Palestinian attachment and legitimacy to Palestine but Israelis are not all recent arrivals. Many will flee but many more would stay. They have been living their for generations and even gave up good fertile safe abodes in Europe and America to come to Israel. They will fight to the bitter end and I don't rule out even using nukes.

The strength to the Palestinans and some Arabs is forever war with Israel that undermines Israel economically. That is why Israel is escalating, it wants to stop this forever war and the slow boiling of itself as the "frog". The Abraham accords were also a ploy to try and stop this forever war, and integrate / normalise Israel into the region.

Bolded part: The 'frog' analogy is apt!

Makes sense for Hezbollah to target Israel's air force bases next and asap before targeting major cities like Haifa, which risk civilian casualties. Big cities like Haifa are good and bad- they are strategic and affect Israel so good to be targeted for that reason, but its also bad because many civilians will die, and thats usually not the goal i believe.

Haifa Port and military bases are fair targets.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[LeonBlack08]

Thats so disgusting.
Trying to white-wash a colonial genocidal regime with superficial «sex & liberlalism» propaganda.

They need recruits - so they need to connect themselves to the younger Western population and whitewash their genocide. Hence the sexualization and glamourization of IDF since the beginning.

 

[RescueRanger]

They need recruits - so they need to connect themselves to the younger Western population and whitewash their genocide. Hence the sexualization and glamourization of IDF since the beginning.

Oldest trick in the book.

 

[j_hungary]

If the plan to push in southern Lebanon goes ahead then we can expect an all out war between Lebanon and Israel.

i don't think an all-out war is likely at this point.

It would be sub-optimal for Hezbollah to engage now, without knowing how much and how deep the compromise was. You don't expect a conventional war between Hezbollah or Lebanon against Israel, because they will lose big, and intelligence/counter-intelligence is primal in any irregular warfare. The Pager and Icom thing shook that aspect for Hezbollah to the core,

I personally would disengage if my organisation were compromised like that, effectively there are no comm (or trustable comm) and there are no counterintelligence aspect for Hezbollah, frankly, they don't know which phone they can use and who they can trust at this moment. The assassination and the pager thing is very clearly a one two punch from the IDF, there are NO WAY Hezbollah Comm and/or C4 structure wasn't compromised.

You need to at least wait until you can rebuild your comm network, then there are a realistic chance to fight, and that could be years.

 

[hussain0216]

i don't think an all-out war is likely at this point.

It would be sub-optimal for Hezbollah to engage now, without knowing how much and how deep the compromise was. You don't expect a conventional war between Hezbollah or Lebanon against Israel, because they will lose big, and intelligence/counter-intelligence is primal in any irregular warfare. The Pager and Icom thing shook that aspect for Hezbollah to the core,

I personally would disengage if my organisation were compromised like that, effectively there are no comm (or trustable comm) and there are no counterintelligence aspect for Hezbollah, frankly, they don't know which phone they can use and who they can trust at this moment. The assassination and the pager thing is very clearly a one two punch from the IDF, there are NO WAY Hezbollah Comm and/or C4 structure wasn't compromised.

You need to at least wait until you can rebuild your comm network, then there are a realistic chance to fight, and that could be years.

Waiting is not a option regardless of the compromised situation

The Zionists are horrendous, a cancer was forced upon the region in the form.of Israel and waiting only makes the region more sick

Israeli escalation must be met with similar strikes on Israeli infrastructure that cost the entity dearly, the only thing that will stop Israel is not reason but the fear that the costs to Israel would be too great
The middle east must start to protect it's people from the Zionists

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sure my Zionist friend. Here is from a staunch Zionist paper in the UK "The Telegraph".

Haifa suburb hit by Hezbollah rockets

Israeli military says rockets were fired ‘towards civilian areas’ after previous barrages mainly aimed at military targets

www.telegraph.co.uk

Hezbollah rockets struck a suburb in the Israeli city of Haifa, destroying cars and homes in the latest escalation of cross-border attacks.

The Israeli military said rockets had been fired “toward civilian areas,” after previous barrages had mainly been aimed at military targets.

>> Some of the strikes missed the military sites and can be classified as collateral damage. A bit rich to say there were deliberately targetting civilians when it is clear to all they were targetting military sites.

 

[j_hungary]

Waiting is not a option regardless of the compromised situation

The Zionists are horrendous, a cancer was forced upon the region in the form.of Israel and waiting only makes the region more sick

Israeli escalation must be met with similar strikes on Israeli infrastructure that cost the entity dearly, the only thing that will stop Israel is not reason but the fear that the costs to Israel would be too great
The middle east must start to protect it's people from the Zionists

Well, that's why one should leave emotion off the battlefield. I have been saying this since the beginning of all this. Emotion get you no where.

If they can blow up your pager, they can track your commander, and they know stuff that you don't know how they know, any move you made is compromised. If you decide to fiht, you either fight without any capability, or you fight with a compromised network, basically on a wing and a prayer. If those problem aren't fix, then you are going to pile on the compromised situation and make it worse, because you pile on more intel on an already compromised network.

The most expedient way is to disengage, lick the wound and consolidate, root out any problem before you engage, otherwise you are going in alone and blind, and I don't know about you, but I don't fancy fighting a technological advance enemy alone and blind, regardless how cancerous my enemy was.......

 

[PakFactor]

Looking at Israeli sites, talks of conquering, occupying and annexing Lebanon up to Litani River are happening. That land is not only strategic depth but also fertile. Israel has been eying that for a long time. And contrary to what someone said above, Israelis were forced to leave south Lebanon. They don't leave any land except for the Sinai but that was too much to swallow. They are not even leaving tiny Sheba Farms.

Israel occupied Southern Lebanon for 18 years; with minor skirmishes without much losses.

For Israel, the Litani River is key as it will create a natural northern border. That's why they are eyeing it.

This is a very difficult time for the region. Israel's Northen military commander has proposed setting up a "buffer" zone in parts of southern Lebanon to "secure" northern Israel.

This "buffer zone" is just another fancy term for annexation of land belonging to a neighbouring sovereign nation.

The Jordanian's should see this as a massive red flag for things to come if they have any sense.

Everyone knew it was coming; to say otherwise was foolish thinking.

The Jordanians don't have any sense, they've lost long ago, its only a matter of time when Israel chooses to gobble them up.

 

[RescueRanger]

Israel occupied Southern Lebanon for 18 years; with minor skirmishes without much losses.

For Israel, the Litani River is key as it will create a natural riverway on its northern border. That's why they are eyeing it.



Everyone knew it was coming; to say otherwise was foolish thinking.

The Jordanians don't have any sense, they've lost long ago, its only a matter of time when Israel chooses to gobble them up.

Valid.

 

[r3alist]

You keep under estimating Israelis' attachment to Israel. Friend: It is not good to draw such conclusions because it feels good. Yes, there is a lot more Palestinian attachment and legitimacy to Palestine but Israelis are not all recent arrivals. Many will flee but many more would stay. They have been living their for generations and even gave up good fertile safe abodes in Europe and America to come to Israel. They will fight to the bitter end and I don't rule out even using nukes.

Well said.


Herzog says here all options are on the table

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There are plenty of oriental Jews who have never stepped foot out of Israel, they are of the region in general

 

[Meengla]

i don't think an all-out war is likely at this point.

It would be sub-optimal for Hezbollah to engage now, without knowing how much and how deep the compromise was. You don't expect a conventional war between Hezbollah or Lebanon against Israel, because they will lose big, and intelligence/counter-intelligence is primal in any irregular warfare. The Pager and Icom thing shook that aspect for Hezbollah to the core,

I don't think you have been following this conflict well. Hezbollah didn't want, doesn't want, will not want an all out war. It is Israel which has been wanting it for a long time but in such a way that Americans would get dragged in.

Israel occupied Southern Lebanon for 18 years; with minor skirmishes without much losses.

Ahh, so Israel left prime, fertile, land which also provided strategic depth out of goodness of its heart? They were driven out because, even if there was not a lot of bloodshed, Hezbollah was forming into a formidable force those years. Israelis are VERY casualty aware! I think they want to first totally absorb the West Bank and then focus on other places. The knew that until that's done, no point bleeding men and material in south Lebanon or even Gaza those years.

 

[PakFactor]

Valid.

I mentioned during the Iranian strike in that thread that the regional actors should draw Israel into the Golan Heights and have a shoot out there in the open. It's a vast geographical land with fewer small scattered villages than Israel's mainland. It would have been easier to infiltrate and strike via rockets, ballistic missiles, and artillery. At that time, I also mentioned the Golan Heights contains a lot of production facilities for Israeli manufacturers.

 

[PakFactor]

I don't think you have been following this conflict well. Hezbollah didn't want, doesn't want, will not want an all out war. It is Israel which has been wanting it for a long time but in such a way that Americans would get dragged in.



Ahh, so Israel left prime, fertile, land which also provided strategic depth out of goodness of its heart? They were driven out because, even if there was not a lot of bloodshed, Hezbollah was forming into a formidable force those years. Israelis are VERY casualty aware! I think they want to first totally absorb the West Bank and then focus on other places. The knew that until that's done, no point bleeding men and material in south Lebanon or even Gaza those years.

That's a possibility, and Camp David Acords did half the work of setting up the West Bank to be cut down and absorbed over time.

But do know the French play protector of Lebanon due to its sizable Christian population and Francophobia population. It had a hand in the UN resolution.