Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Meengla said:
I don't think many saw how the Gaza conflict would start or for how long it would continue or even the extent of the Israeli assault on Gaza. I believe on October 7, 2023 even the Gazans must have been surprised how they penetrated into Israel and killed. Even the Americans say that Iran/Hezbollah had no prior knowledge. Everyone was in uncharted territory.
The Non Muslim world was much more sympathetic to Israel then. Israel could have gone to the UNSC and gotten a Resolution to launch a UN-backed war then. I also think Hezbollah, being uninformed, wasn't as prepared then it became over the last one year. The Israelis, on the contrary, were well supplied, united, their international 'image' not as bad. The Israelis would have gone into full attack mode, aided by the NATO air force, to level Lebanon had Hezbollah launched a full fledged attack then.
Well, it is water under the bridge now.
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I think after a few months it became apparent Israel wanted genocide only as a solution. Hezbollah should have established a stronger red line, they let Israel bomb them when they wanted in South Lebanon, they should have hit Israeli military facilities (air bases/strategic sites) earlier, not just the surveillance and border facilities in the Golan.. Now Israel is emboldened and no one can stop them, one by one they will try to deal with all their enemies.
 
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The Israelis carried out 100 air attacks in one go, decimated Hizbullah's leadership and have dropped what some would describe as a mini-nuke.

If Hizbullah is not at full war now, it never will be.
 
jamal18 said:
The Israelis carried out 100 air attacks in one go, decimated Hizbullah's leadership and have dropped what some would describe as a mini-nuke.

If Hizbullah is not at full war now, it never will be.
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Hezbo are not stupid - you can be certain a fair few of the sites that were hit - were fake sites, designed to eat up missions and bombs. All Hezbo have to do - is setup a site, launch a rocket from it - move out all the equipment - and the IDF will assume it is a current valid site because once, something was launched from it. They will add that site to the list but Hezbo have moved on. Yes - some real sites were hit and they have taken some body blows but this is still in the early phases. It is all down to if Israel wants to escalate by invading or not.
 
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Raiden said:
Israel's entire existence depends on these guys being the top dogs.

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In particular the US, as the head of Western civilization. So because you mention Israel will still there in a century, I'll give you some perspective.

A century = 100 years.

141 years is the time from where the British empire becomes victorious in Trafalgar (1815), becomes the world's sole superpower (1815-1940) and then suddenly realize they're no longer a superpower during the Suez crisis (1955). That's a very significant drop in power and prestige. A country that once control an empire in which the sun never sets, failed to perform against newly established Egypt.

Another perspective for you, an Edwardian era (1900-1914) boy who grew up watching something as complex as the Titanic getting launched from the slipway could only retired in bitterness when he reaches his elderly knowing that Russia, and not UK is the one's launching satellites and men into space.

By the 1960s, it's becoming clear that Europe is no longer in the game of top dogs. They're still a great power, but no longer globe spanning empires like they used to. Only the industrious America saves the West from its declining power vis a vis the Soviets. In fact it could be said, that America does all the heavy lifting to make sure the West stays supreme.

I don't what will happen in 100 years (2124), but whatever it is, it's very likely that the West's standing will not be what they are today. Because the top dog of this society (the US) and the Western society as a whole is on a decline. Every symptoms of a dying empire of the past (Romans, Persians, Arabs, Ottomans, Mamelukes etc etc) is clear for the eyes to judge.

You guys happens to tick ALL the characteristics of the age of Decadence :

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So because you are already in the age of decadence. Israel, who depended on being parasite on Western society to advance its interest in the Middle East must've hoped that this age of decadence doesn't translate into collapse, because it eventually will.

Israel could cheer all they want but as long as they are not able to subdue the Islamic world to actually SINCERELY accepts their presence, they are living on borrowed time. And there will be no such thing as Islam accepting them, when our religion clearly defines them as the enemy of the faith.

The Taliban was once quoted as saying " You have the watch, but we have the time".
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This is interesting topic. I am a fan of Glubb Pasha and find his theory interesting but human affairs are complex. Let's check some facts.

The British Empire had values in its homeland but lost its military strength and ability to hold foreign lands in World War Two and the much larger and strategically located US took its place to unite and rebuild the West.

The US stem from the American Revolution movement in 1775 when settlers in North America demonstrated cultural sophistication and the ability to handle the British Empire in open battles. The US proceeded to defeat other rivals in the region such as the Mexican Empire and numerous Red Indian tribes in an effort to expand its territory.

American history is also dark but American approach to global affairs is different from that of the British Empire. The British Empire did not grant much autonomy to colonies but the US allows friendly countries to create their own political setup and economy and is willing to fight for countries it finds valuable around the world. The first demonstration of this kind was in the Korean War wherein US-led forces fought to preserve South Korea.

The US became a world power when it defeated the Spanish Empire in war and liberated a number of Spanish colonies such as Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, and Guam in the process. The US also defeated Imperial Japan in the Pacific War.

Both the British Empire and Imperial Japan sought to colonize China and treated Chinese badly but the US did not expand war to China in the Korean War.

The American Empire has created a progressive World Order in comparison to the British Empire that is apparent in OECD. The US also support international institutions such as WB, WHO, UN, and IMF to help all countries in different ways.

So what we have as an alternative?

Soviet Union proposed a system wherein the state is supreme and has control on all aspects of life. Soviet nationals were lacking in freedoms that are found in OECD and the realization eventually set in. Related information in here.

China has a hybrid system wherein the state is supreme but it allows Chinese nationals to do business with all, grow, and have quality of life. But the state can apply control and enforce discipline in any province in the manner it see fit.

But Cold War between superpowers is an issue that warrants attention and careful foreign policy measures.

Decadence has become a global phenomenon due to different causes in different countries. Some countries are underdeveloped and have corruption due to elite capture and broken education system. On a broader level, there is a drop in understanding of religious teachings and the focus have shifted to politics. There is politics in everything and it creates differences instead of promoting understanding and balance. Cold War between the US and Soviet Union was another factor in promoting politics in Islamic countries that reduced unity and pit countries against each other to the benefit of those who were pulling strings from behind.

Allah Almighty have warned in Surah al-Isra that virtually any civilization that has corruption and arrogance can face hardships and fall. The British Empire homeland was civilized but oppressed others on a global scale - this system lasted 200 years but met its end in World War Two. But corruption and arrogance is a common theme in Africa, Asia, and South America. There is also much conflict in these regions, which is not surprising.

American values have certainly declined after World War Two and the US have made some controversial foreign policy calls such as in the case of Vietnam, Iraq, and Palestine. The US destroyed much of Vietnam in war before realizing that South Vietnam is not worth fighting for. The US had a straightforward and better rationale of overthrowing oppressive Saddam regime in Iraq but came up with the WMD rationale for intervention in Iraq - this was absolutely stupid and damaged American credibility. The US finds Israel valuable but does not have a solution for the ongoing Palestinian issue. There is more but I don't want to type a lot. The American Empire is not perfect or cannot satisfy all.

But the US has democracy and allow American nationals to innovate, grow, and have a point of view. American power also stem from its professional institutions that do not undermine each other.

So which country is better and will last, only Allah Almighty knows.

Allah Almighty disclosed in Surah al-Isra that the Children of Israel will regroup in the Middle East at some point after destructive wars that ruined them. WE can see this in current times.

So what is in the future?

Not sure TBH. Israel may (or) may not last. The US may (or) may not last. China may (or) may not last. Heck, do we know for sure that Pakistan and India will last? Anything is possible. There can also be catastrophic event(s) that might reshape mankind in profound ways in the years to come.

Allah Almighty disclosed in Surah Ad-dhukan that there will be age of smoke that will engulf mankind in the End Times. How this will come to pass remains to be seen. Global warming? Volcanic activity? Nuclear war? Comet strike?

So all should take stock of their beliefs and biases, and strive for better solutions while they can.
 
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last-soul said:
They'll be cooked shortly.
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This is when you gather forces of 1-2K armed men with Sniper rifles, RPGs, and Anti-tank missiles and raid the staging ground to inflict damage. Sitting around like Saddam while build-up was happening next door and doing nothing is stupid.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Hezbo are not stupid - you can be certain a fair few of the sites that were hit - were fake sites, designed to eat up missions and bombs. All Hezbo have to do - is setup a site, launch a rocket from it - move out all the equipment - and the IDF will assume it is a current valid site because once, something was launched from it. They will add that site to the list but Hezbo have moved on. Yes - some real sites were hit and they have taken some body blows but this is still in the early phases. It is all down to if Israel wants to escalate by invading or not.
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This video by the incomparable John Elmer describes the Hezbollah tactics, including some of the evasive/deceptive ones you mentioning.
This is a War of Attrition and even American resources will get too stretched in case of prolonged war along with the Russia-Ukraine war. We don't know what kind of collaboration is going on between Iran, Russia and China: All three countries have deep interests in the conflict in Palestine.
Anyway, here is the video.

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