Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[hussain0216]

Why people here are obsessed with hypersonic??

Israel has Arrow, Iron dome etc yet they failed to intercept a standard Ballistic missile.

Very limited countries have a decent ABM.

At the terminal phase ballistic missiles are going at hypersonic speeds anyway

At shorter ranges however a hypersonic missile can be useful,

Our enemy for example right next door, Delhi isn't that far away

 

[Bentley777]

Dude for regional adversaries our BMs are overkill, that money which will be spent on Hypersonic glide vehicles can be used elsewhere, a unit cost of HGV is 10s of millions of dollars while modern BM like S1A and S3 would be costing pakistan anywhere from $100k to $500k. that too in our own currency we literally make all of it in house. Hypersonic is a different realm all together only chinese and russians have got the true hypersonic missiles and thats for a reason

Absolutely not any penny spend on nuclear program is the best investment pak can ever make. Recent confrontation between Israel and iran made every one thing about BMD in future there will be huge RND in this domian. Better start developing nex gen ballistic missile so we dont get caught sleeping. Focus on quality than quantity.

 

[Bentley777]

Why people here are obsessed with hypersonic??

Israel has Arrow, Iron dome etc yet they failed to intercept a standard Ballistic missile.

Very limited countries have a decent ABM.

Obsessed with hypersonic because end of the day power is power there are no other option than that on the table.

 

[Dalit]

The Russian/Ukraine and Iran/Israel conflict have taught us that countries requires a mix of both conventional and hypersonic missiles. You need conventional missiles to manage the cost aspect. You also need hypersonic missiles to increase strike effectiveness. When operated in tandem defence systems can be overwhelmed and struck effectively.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

One important question: Do Pakistan have missiles in numbers ? Do we have tens of thousands or few hundreds of them? Anyone anyidea?

 

[Bentley777]

One important question: Do Pakistan have missiles in numbers ? Do we have tens of thousands or few hundreds of them? Anyone anyidea?

No one knows that even i guess nobody have seen even 2 shaheen 3 missiles at the same time.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

No one knows that even i guess nobody have seen even 2 shaheen 3 missiles at the same time.

That's why i asked.

 

[hussain0216]

One important question: Do Pakistan have missiles in numbers ? Do we have tens of thousands or few hundreds of them? Anyone anyidea?

No one knows, we have significant stocks of missiles,

Irans defence and offence is based upon its missiles, so it needs large stocks

Pakistan has a more normal conventional military with a air force, so we can afford to have a greater mix

However, a decade or two ago, our air force was much more limited so Pakistan built up large stocks for decades now and older missiles will serve as decoys to overwhelm the system whilst newer missiles will seek to punch through A.D to deliver a killer blow

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

No one knows, we have significant stocks of missiles,

Irans defence and offence is based upon its missiles, so it needs large stocks

Pakistan has a more normal conventional military with a air force, so we can afford to have a greater mix

However, a decade or two ago, our air force was much more limited so Pakistan built up large stocks for decades now and older missiles will serve as decoys to overwhelm the system whilst newer missiles will seek to punch through A.D to deliver a killer blow

I agree no body here knows exact estimate but some might have idea its in tens of thousand or in thousands or in hundreds or less than hundred. It's vast range and some might have idea about it. Personally i expect in few thousands, rather than hundreds or tens of thousands. But that's just my idea.

 

[safriz]

One important question: Do Pakistan have missiles in numbers ? Do we have tens of thousands or few hundreds of them? Anyone anyidea?

Pakistan has limited their missile capabilities to having a significant deterrent against India.
In musharraf era there were 27 Shaheen 2 launchers deployed at any given time .
Other missiles had unknown numbers of their own launchers.
No statics ever came out to public domain since.
So there's your benchmark from around 20 years ago.

 

[falcon34]

I agree no body here knows exact estimate but some might have idea its in tens of thousand or in thousands or in hundreds or less than hundred. It's vast range and some might have idea about it. Personally i expect in few thousands, rather than hundreds or tens of thousands. But that's just my idea.

at the very minimum its 10s of thousand our airforce has max standoff range of 600 kms. There is a reason why there is an emphasis on precision if our missiles would be purely for nuclear strikes a INS guidance systems would have sufficient but we do know by the details of tests there has been an increased emphasis on precision guidance for All the Shaheen series of missile, deep conventional strikes over 600 km will definitely be carried out by these shaheen series of missiles. S1A 2021 test statement
"The successful flight test is aimed at re-validating various design and technical parameters of the weapon system including advanced navigation system"

 

[falcon34]

Absolutely not any penny spend on nuclear program is the best investment pak can ever make. Recent confrontation between Israel and iran made every one thing about BMD in future there will be huge RND in this domian. Better start developing nex gen ballistic missile so we dont get caught sleeping. Focus on quality than quantity.

We literally don't have the tech and facilities required to build a true hypersonic glider or a CM.
The only difference is our BMs maneuver in space while gliders maneuver in upper layers of atmosphere. There is literally no need, Fatah like systems are also being propped up.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Pakistan has limited their missile capabilities to having a significant deterrent against India.
In musharraf era there were 27 Shaheen 2 launchers deployed at any given time .
Other missiles had unknown numbers of their own launchers.
No statics ever came out to public domain since.
So there's your benchmark from around 20 years ago.

That's way too low. Infact that's not even good for nuclear delivery alone and that option comes when things goes beyond your hand. what's the point to have 100+ nuclear bomb when you have that low delivery mechanism? (20 years ago). I think the number should be much higher.

 

[Cookie Monster]

We literally don't have the tech and facilities required to build a true hypersonic glider or a CM.
The only difference is our BMs maneuver in space while gliders maneuver in upper layers of atmosphere. There is literally no need, Fatah like systems are also being propped up.

I mean if India can get Oniks from Russia…and call it Brahmos…
…there are Chinese versions of Oniks…that Pakistan can “JV”(cough cough)…
…and then a hop, skip, and a jump later…Pakistan can increase the range(like India did with Brahmos).

That’s just one example…China also has other types of hypersonic missiles. Personally I would like to see DF17(the one where it is a glide vehicle on top of a ballistic missile) in Pakistan’s arsenal(of course the indigenous version so range isn’t limited).
It can be mounted and launched via a mobile TEL. These missiles launching in the mix with hundreds of conventional(non glide vehicle types) of ballistic missiles would offer a significant ability to punch through even multiple layers of air defenses.

 

[falcon34]

I mean if India can get Oniks from Russia…and call it Brahmos…
…there are Chinese versions of Oniks…that Pakistan can “JV”(cough cough)…
…and then a hop, skip, and a jump later…Pakistan can increase the range(like India did with Brahmos).

That’s just one example…China also has other types of hypersonic missiles. Personally I would like to see DF17(the one where it is a glide vehicle on top of a ballistic missile) in Pakistan’s arsenal(of course the indigenous version so range isn’t limited).
It can be mounted and launched via a mobile TEL. These missiles launching in the mix with hundreds of conventional(non glide vehicle types) of ballistic missiles would offer a significant ability to punch through even multiple layers of air defenses.

Brother, decision makers have to look at economic viability and what the system offers. your saying we buy hundreds of gliders that each of 'em cost around 15-20 million dollars. we literally can get around 25-35 S3 and around 50-60 S1As for that amount. The only difference between gliders and our BMs is, our BMs can maneuver in space while gliders maneuver in upper atmosphere. They perform terminal maneuvers our BMs can perform terminal maneuvers. There is nothing disrupting about technology unless you want to target united states, because such missiles only make sense than.