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Hypersonic has Maneuverability which Ballistic missiles lack or with very limited.
Ballistic missile can maneuver in terminal and midcourse. Shaheen series employ both an MARV and a PSAC which has liquid fuel thrusters which increases accuracy and perform maneuvers in midcourse, i don't think so we need to waste money on those exotic hypersonic technologies, its for the superpowers, no need to make such weapons unless your aiming for a missile that could strike the us, for indian and Israel Shaheen type of ballistic are over kill. that kind of missiles iran just used and they totally wrecked israeli ABM.
 
They slow down to much slower velocity on re-entry.
Mach 18 for rentry and and around mach 8-12 for terminal is an overkill for indian systems and pain in the ass for israelis. add in maneuvers for terminal and midcourse phase and even arrow 3 and david sling are toast.
 
Watch this space.

Both for operational and test fires with weeks/months in between. (Hopefully will be publicized in last couple of months of 2024)

Not to be read in terms of messaging in the context of regional scenario but rather just readiness and normal advancements in our capabilities.
New fatah series test or like the S2 test we had last month for addition of new guidance sytem and incorporation of new sub systems for survivability.
 
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Brother can you explain why do we have a liquid fuel third stage in ababeel or they are just calling the post boost bus has a separate third stage. Second thing i wanted is PSAC liquid fuel, i read a few posts of the deterrent, where he actually spectulated that cause of smaller warhead on S1A and S3 there might be enough fuel in for maneuvers in midcourse. My main question is regarding the PSAC it is liquid fuel right, rather than solid fuel.Screenshot_20241005-000324.png
 
Ballistic missile can maneuver in terminal and midcourse. Shaheen series employ both an MARV and a PSAC which has liquid fuel thrusters which increases accuracy and perform maneuvers in midcourse, i don't think so we need to waste money on those exotic hypersonic technologies, its for the superpowers, no need to make such weapons unless your aiming for a missile that could strike the us, for indian and Israel Shaheen type of ballistic are over kill. that kind of missiles iran just used and they totally wrecked israeli ABM.
How developing a hyperosonic missile is a waste of money. Every one is developing them why not us. Its not like that North korea and iran both have hypersonic missiles are they super powers. NDC should ask Funds for both for hypersonic and SLBM and take it as national project. I know currently we dont have submarine that can fire SLBM. if all nuclear powers are adapting this technology we should also.
 
They slow down to much slower velocity on re-entry.
From Mach 18 at Reentry at 60km altitude, it will decelerate to may be Mach 6 at hitting the target or detonation,which almost always happens at 1000 meters or above ground, in case of nuclear.

Even Mach 6 is classed as hypersonic.

Both the missile reentry speed and subsequent hitting the target speed, depends on launch profile and the resultant trajectory.

At lofted trajectory the missile loses some range , and takes slightly longer to hit the target. But as the name suggests, it's lofted and dives towards earth from much higher apogee, it gains massive speeds.

Minuteman used to re-enter at speeds of way over Mach 23 . With an apogee of 1300 km.

Pakistani Shaheen 3 was tested with apogee of 550 km. Reaches Mach 18

These high altitudes give the re entry vehicle enough time in the vacuum of space to free fall under gravity and add to the speed, initially gained by rocket motors.



The crazy North Koreans send their missiles to almost the moon.
Heading 18 was recorded at an altitude of 6600 km before diving down towards the earth. Reaching silly speeds , around Mach 30 at re-entry.

Atmosphere is only 60 km thick. Warheads entering at such high speeds still remain hypersonic when hitting target or detonation,, after decelerating to a third of initial speed.
 
@Oscar
Brother can you explain why do we have a liquid fuel third stage in ababeel or they are just calling the post boost bus has a separate third stage. Second thing i wanted is PSAC liquid fuel, i read a few posts of the deterrent, where he actually spectulated that cause of smaller warhead on S1A and S3 there might be enough fuel in for maneuvers in midcourse. My main question is regarding the PSAC it is liquid fuel right, rather than solid fuel.View attachment 69622
This version of S1A is only a test vehicle, not for deployment.
All technology including this warhead, was tested on this vehicle, before deployment on S 3 and Ababeel.
 
This version of S1A is only a test vehicle, not for deployment.
All technology including this warhead, was tested on this vehicle, before deployment on S 3 and Ababeel.
That new shaheen 1A version seems like a natural progression, With MARV and advanced PSAC that perform maneuvers in midcourse also it was displayed in 23 march parade.
 
From Mach 18 at Reentry at 60km altitude, it will decelerate to may be Mach 6 at hitting the target or detonation,which almost always happens at 1000 meters or above ground, in case of nuclear.

Even Mach 6 is classed as hypersonic.

Both the missile reentry speed and subsequent hitting the target speed, depends on launch profile and the resultant trajectory.

At lofted trajectory the missile loses some range , and takes slightly longer to hit the target. But as the name suggests, it's lofted and dives towards earth from much higher apogee, it gains massive speeds.

Minuteman used to re-enter at speeds of way over Mach 23 . With an apogee of 1300 km.

Pakistani Shaheen 3 was tested with apogee of 550 km. Reaches Mach 18

These high altitudes give the re entry vehicle enough time in the vacuum of space to free fall under gravity and add to the speed, initially gained by rocket motors.



The crazy North Koreans send their missiles to almost the moon.
Heading 18 was recorded at an altitude of 6600 km before diving down towards the earth. Reaching silly speeds , around Mach 30 at re-entry.

Atmosphere is only 60 km thick. Warheads entering at such high speeds still remain hypersonic when hitting target or detonation,, after decelerating to a third of initial speed.
Agreed but we really don't what the terminal speed really is of S3. it is certainly more than mach 6.
 
How developing a hyperosonic missile is a waste of money. Every one is developing them why not us. Its not like that North korea and iran both have hypersonic missiles are they super powers. NDC should ask Funds for both for hypersonic and SLBM and take it as national project. I know currently we dont have submarine that can fire SLBM. if all nuclear powers are adapting this technology we should also.
Dude for regional adversaries our BMs are overkill, that money which will be spent on Hypersonic glide vehicles can be used elsewhere, a unit cost of HGV is 10s of millions of dollars while modern BM like S1A and S3 would be costing pakistan anywhere from $100k to $500k. that too in our own currency we literally make all of it in house. Hypersonic is a different realm all together only chinese and russians have got the true hypersonic missiles and thats for a reason
 
That new shaheen 1A version seems like a natural progression, With MARV and advanced PSAC that perform maneuvers in midcourse also it was displayed in 23 march parade.
It was never displayed in any 23rd march parade
 
Why people here are obsessed with hypersonic??

Israel has Arrow, Iron dome etc yet they failed to intercept a standard Ballistic missile.

Very limited countries have a decent ABM.
 
Ballistic missile can maneuver in terminal and midcourse. Shaheen series employ both an MARV and a PSAC which has liquid fuel thrusters which increases accuracy and perform maneuvers in midcourse, i don't think so we need to waste money on those exotic hypersonic technologies, its for the superpowers, no need to make such weapons unless your aiming for a missile that could strike the us, for indian and Israel Shaheen type of ballistic are over kill. that kind of missiles iran just used and they totally wrecked israeli ABM.

I think our missiles are quite capable of circumnavigating air defence systems and we continue to have older missiles to provide distractions and overwhelm enemy air defence

But we must keep up with all the latest technology and hypersonic missiles that cañ on their own punch through a enemy is important
 

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