Sharma Ji
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Joe Shearer
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Nothing.
Yet.
Sharma Ji
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Joe Shearer
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.....Yet.
hembo
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Well, although I'm a very confident man otherwise, I do consider myself a bit inadequate when it comes to topics that I didn't master so far. Also, I usually like to keep an open mind, even in hopeless discussions, just in case the other side brings in a surpring and interesting point or two, which might call for more research. Hence I never dismiss a debate as useless till the time it remains civil. And never ever consider myself as master of such topics.
Sharma Ji
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RescueRanger
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He's a Yousafzai they are a large Pashtun tribe with links to the Durrani court. Since they sided with the Durrani dynasty they were booted out of Kunar and Kabul in the late 16th century and ended up in what is present day KPK and belts of land around Mianwali and DI Khan.
Joe Shearer
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Fair enough. I don't agree, but if that is your position, that is your position.
UndercoverJIX
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I am sorry, but I am unable to find anything to understand the value / status of Atash .
Let me ask a different question and go from there.
Please tell if the Fire is the most important /central object for worship etc?
baby questions. will be easy for me as will to follow.
Thanks
If you feel uncomfortable at any time, please let me and I will stop. I know how it is sometimes, cant trust who and why someone is asking.
vsdoc
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Hope this answers some of your questions and dispels some common myths ... principal among them being that Zoroastrians are "Fire worshippers" ...
6. QA about FIRE & FIRE TEMPLES
F Why is fire considered the most important creation in Zoroastrian religion? 1. There are several reasons why Zoroastrian religion consider fire as the most important creation. It is figuratively …
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Why is fire considered the most important creation in Zoroastrian religion?
1. There are several reasons why Zoroastrian religion consider fire as the most important creation. It is figuratively regarded as the ‘son’ of Ahura Mazda and is given a central position is that, among all creations, it most resembles Ahura Mazda in its functions and attributes.
2. Like Ahura Mazda, fire is a store house of khoreh (divine energy) and the sustainer of life. It is present everywhere in the form of motion and energy and has the potentiality of fighting physical, mental and spiritual negativities.
3. Fire is the closest to humans among all other creations. Man shares many similarities with fire. Just to name a few, both need food and oxygen, are warm when alive but cold when dead, and are created to fight negativities and increase goodness.
4. People have offered various reasons to justify the exalted position of fire in Zoroastrian religion. One of the best reasons for the importance of fire in Zoroastrianism is found in the Shahnameh: “Fire is the nur (radiance) of Ahura Mazda. He who is wise shall revere it.”
Did prophet Zarathushtra start the veneration of fire in Zoroastrian religion?
1. The veneration of fire was an established practice of the Mazdayasnis much before prophet Zarathushtra. It had been venerated not only as a symbol of the divine, but it also had a divinity of its own.
2. King Hoshang of the Peshdadian dynasty started the reverence to fire, centuries before the advent of prophet Zarathushtra. While hunting, he accidentally came across the brilliance of fire when he tried to kill a huge snake. Regarding this, Firdausi says, “Nushad mār Koshtah valiken zarāz, azān tab-e-sang ātash āmad farāz “The snake did not die, but from the latent energy of the stone fire came out.” He asked the Mazdayasnis to make a Kebla (focus of worship) of fire and pray before it.
3. In the Shahnameh, Firdausi says, ke urā kurughī chunin hadayah dād, hamīn ātesh ān gāh kebleh nehād, be goftā kurughīst in izadi, parastī be āyad agar bekhardi. “Godbestowed on Hoshang the gift of light, and he immediately made a Keblā of that fire. He said, “This is the nur (light) of God, he who is wise shall venerate (parastesh) it.” This fire was then established as Adar Khurdad. It was the first fire to be established. Then King Hoshang celebrated Jashane Sadeh to commemorate the discovery of divinity in fire.
4. King Jamshed established Adar Farnbagh on Mount Khorehmand. He specially created a section of society called Athravans “one who tends fire” to look after it. This fire prevented Zohak from taking over the Khoreh (divine energy) of king Jamshed.
5. The fire Adar Gushnasp helped Kayanian king Kae Khushru to become the king. Later he established this celestial fire on Mout Asnavant.
6. Prophet Zarathushtra himself was a priest (āthravan) and used to pray facing the fire. Later as one of the proofs of his being a prophet, Zarathushtra gifted the special fire Adar Burzin Meher to king Kae Gushtasp. About this fire, Firdausi says Ke bi khāko ābesh bar āvarde ham, negeh kun bud ātash chun kardeh ham; Ke ān meher-burzin bi dud bud, munavvar ne az hizmo az ud dud. “This fire was made without physical elements or water, the Adar Burzin Meher fire is without fumes, and it does not require fuel or incense.” Later Kae Gushtasp established this fire on Mount Raevant.
Cheers, Doc
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UndercoverJIX
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Thank you once again huzoor.Hope this answers some of your questions and dispels some common myths ... principal among them being that Zoroastrians are "Fire worshippers" ...
6. QA about FIRE & FIRE TEMPLES
F Why is fire considered the most important creation in Zoroastrian religion? 1. There are several reasons why Zoroastrian religion consider fire as the most important creation. It is figuratively …
Why is fire considered the most important creation in Zoroastrian religion?
1. There are several reasons why Zoroastrian religion consider fire as the most important creation. It is figuratively regarded as the ‘son’ of Ahura Mazda and is given a central position is that, among all creations, it most resembles Ahura Mazda in its functions and attributes.
2. Like Ahura Mazda, fire is a store house of khoreh (divine energy) and the sustainer of life. It is present everywhere in the form of motion and energy and has the potentiality of fighting physical, mental and spiritual negativities.
3. Fire is the closest to humans among all other creations. Man shares many similarities with fire. Just to name a few, both need food and oxygen, are warm when alive but cold when dead, and are created to fight negativities and increase goodness.
4. People have offered various reasons to justify the exalted position of fire in Zoroastrian religion. One of the best reasons for the importance of fire in Zoroastrianism is found in the Shahnameh: “Fire is the nur (radiance) of Ahura Mazda. He who is wise shall revere it.”
Did prophet Zarathushtra start the veneration of fire in Zoroastrian religion?
1. The veneration of fire was an established practice of the Mazdayasnis much before prophet Zarathushtra. It had been venerated not only as a symbol of the divine, but it also had a divinity of its own.
2. King Hoshang of the Peshdadian dynasty started the reverence to fire, centuries before the advent of prophet Zarathushtra. While hunting, he accidentally came across the brilliance of fire when he tried to kill a huge snake. Regarding this, Firdausi says, “Nushad mār Koshtah valiken zarāz, azān tab-e-sang ātash āmad farāz “The snake did not die, but from the latent energy of the stone fire came out.” He asked the Mazdayasnis to make a Kebla (focus of worship) of fire and pray before it.
3. In the Shahnameh, Firdausi says, ke urā kurughī chunin hadayah dād, hamīn ātesh ān gāh kebleh nehād, be goftā kurughīst in izadi, parastī be āyad agar bekhardi. “Godbestowed on Hoshang the gift of light, and he immediately made a Keblā of that fire. He said, “This is the nur (light) of God, he who is wise shall venerate (parastesh) it.” This fire was then established as Adar Khurdad. It was the first fire to be established. Then King Hoshang celebrated Jashane Sadeh to commemorate the discovery of divinity in fire.
4. King Jamshed established Adar Farnbagh on Mount Khorehmand. He specially created a section of society called Athravans “one who tends fire” to look after it. This fire prevented Zohak from taking over the Khoreh (divine energy) of king Jamshed.
5. The fire Adar Gushnasp helped Kayanian king Kae Khushru to become the king. Later he established this celestial fire on Mout Asnavant.
6. Prophet Zarathushtra himself was a priest (āthravan) and used to pray facing the fire. Later as one of the proofs of his being a prophet, Zarathushtra gifted the special fire Adar Burzin Meher to king Kae Gushtasp. About this fire, Firdausi says Ke bi khāko ābesh bar āvarde ham, negeh kun bud ātash chun kardeh ham; Ke ān meher-burzin bi dud bud, munavvar ne az hizmo az ud dud. “This fire was made without physical elements or water, the Adar Burzin Meher fire is without fumes, and it does not require fuel or incense.” Later Kae Gushtasp established this fire on Mount Raevant.
Cheers, Doc
other than being King, what other importance / status / titles King Hoshang has/holds, to me he seems to hold the most important status.
vsdoc
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@UndercoverJIX good night and Ushta Te.
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Cheers, Doc
@Sharma Ji @Guru Dutt @Nilgiri @indushek @Joe Shearer @Sam.
Cheers, Doc
UndercoverJIX
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Ushta Te to you as well. take care
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