Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[abdulhaadi1988]

It's a widely accepted belief. However, any force that can literally fire hundreds of modern missiles can't be taken lightly. Do they need to land troops there? Massive damage to Iran through bombardment, not to mention tactical nukes.

Yes Iran is powerful, but it is a new era in naval combat and nothing is guaranteed.

Well to fully defeat Iran, they would either need to use nukes which would make the US a bigger pariah, and force Iran to develop Nukes, or some sort of boots on the ground. A purely asymmetric warfare will be damaging for the region, not just Iran, and won't guarantee that Iran stops. US Navy hasn't been properly tested with what an adversary like Iran has, something some people here don't understand.

 

[LeGenD]

Economic wars take time to have an effect.

Tanker War(s) do not work. Ask Iraq and Iran. Alliances do. Maybe have a look at how massive American coffers are.

Commerical shipping activity will continue no matter what. A particular route will be bypassed for a while by some. Not that big of a deal because goods continue to reach intended destinations.

Houthi will be pounded till they give up. But you assume these people to be supernatural beings. They are but human and vulnerable. Houthi strategy is flawed and will not work.

 

[VCheng]

Evidence?

(Ps Arctic Crows are white by the way lol...)

Your argument would hold weight if there were any Arctic crows in Yemen.

 

[925boy]

It's a widely accepted belief.

that will be proven wrong.

However, any force that can literally fire hundreds of modern missiles can't be taken lightly.

so can Iran- US is the one likely low on ammunition, because of being unable to meet the ammunition demands of Ukraine AND Israel.

Do they need to land troops there?

if they dont plan to win, no.

Massive damage to Iran through bombardment, not to mention tactical nukes.

lol....US doesnt have the required built up resources in the region to do that- and many US planes will get shot out of the Iranian skies(and there will be no ground forces to rescue them). Analysts say a US-Iran war will mostly be fought from the sea, so aerial bombardmens wont work alone- even US think tanks already said this decades ago (and Iran's air defenses and military strength today are the strongest they've ever been).

Yes Iran is powerful, but it is a new era in naval combat and nothing is guaranteed.

then why do US aircraft carriers stay 500-1000Km away from Iran's coast when there is "tension" between US and Iran? Us can cause damage, but US cant win.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Tanker War(s) do not work. Ask Iraq and Iran. Alliances do. Maybe have a look at how massive American coffers are.

Commerical shipping activity will continue no matter what. A particular route will be bypassed for a while by some. Not that big of a deal because goods continue to reach intended destinations.

Houthi will be pounded till they give up. But you assume these people to be supernatural beings. They are but human and vulnerable. Houthi strategy is flawed and will not work.

This isnt to defeat the US economically, again with the strawman! It's to deter Israel and others doing business with Israel.

They may continue, but at a larger cost and make it difficult for Israel to source the more the threat to shipping to Israel is sustained. I feel like I'm stating the obvious at this point, but whatever it takes...

It is the best the Muslims can do to defeat what a true believer would deam as kuffar, taghut and mujrim, namely Israel. At no point did I say theyre supernatural, again another strawman, but as a Muslim it is an article of faith to believe in the supernatural and that it can help vulnerable believing humans.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Your argument would hold weight if there were any Arctic crows in Yemen.

I just wouldn't make that argument.

Still waiting on that evidence of "conceding, but not overtly" by the way.

 

[VCheng]

I just wouldn't make that argument.

Still waiting on that evidence of "conceding, but not overtly" by the way.

Of course. Let the results speak for themselves. What's the rush?

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Of course. Let the results speak for themselves. What's the rush?

You made the claim I already conceded, but not overtly, so lets see the evidence, otherwise we would have to conclude you lied. Just a matter of principle really.

 

[VCheng]

You made the claim I already conceded, but not overtly, so lets see the evidence, otherwise we would have to conclude you lied. Just a matter of principle really.

LOL. As I said, let's wait for the results and they shall speak. No rush. I will stop here.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

LOL. As I said, let's wait for the results and they shall speak. No rush. I will stop here.

So just for the record and everyone reading this, you said I conceaded, in the past tense, and you have not shown any evidence for it. That's a lie in my book.

Now the goal posts have been changed, yes we will see if I or you will concede in the future. In Shaa Allah.

 

[LeGenD]

Did you say or think Afghans would be unable to defeat US army before they did? you cant conclude on something that is still being concuded- nobody knows the future. I can turn around and say the US military and navy are unable to deter the Houthis,because despite all teh US and NATO threats, Houthis have stuck to their military and political policies v is-a-vis Israel. We do not see that NATO or US strikes have now changed the Houthis behavior. US foolishly entered this conflict it has a geographical disadvantage in , just like in Afghanistan.

But did they? Taliban were supporting Al-Qaeda Network but changed their tune after loosing 50,000+ fighters in war. Taliban had no choice but to accept the fundamental American demand for dropping support of Al-Qaeda Network. A demand that was conveyed to its leadership in 2001 by both US and Pakistan. This was the intent and purpose. War is not a zero sum game wherein you need to eliminate an opposing force for desired outcome and effects. Acceptance of one's demands can be sufficient. Pakistan was also involved in this matter and put pressure on both sides to settle the war on best possible terms. Taliban reside in a landlocked country and are not exposed like Houthi. So Pakistan had a say in this matter because the war was being conducted through Pakistani route.

But Taliban is not a force to celebrate. It continues to cause problems for Pakistan. These people can create problems for Iran as well. US is not affected.

You guys make it sound like as if US was made to sign an instrument of surrender in war. Kindly study Doha Accords.

 

[VCheng]

So just for the record and everyone reading this, you said I conceaded, in the past tense, and you have not shown any evidence for it. That's a lie in my book.

Now the goal posts have been changed, yes we will see if I or you will concede in the future. In Shaa Allah.

Quoted for the record, of course. We shall revisit this when the results of the Houthi attempted shipping blockade are evident. No problem.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Quoted for the record, of course. We shall revisit this when the results of the Houthi attempted shipping blockade are evident. No problem.

Hopefully the goal posts won't have to be frantically changed again

 

[VCheng]

Hopefully the goal posts won't have to be frantically changed again

LOL. Your view will be resting under water. Lots of water.

Now, have the Houthis strategy suck or damaged any ship thus far? Or is it just claims of intimidation of unarmed civilian ships?

 

[LeGenD]

Iran is ready, US is not, and no country that enters a war it is not ready for will win. US also cannot have any tangible win in a middle east war with a pathetic 70-100K soldiers when it needs at least 300-600K soldiers to have a chance to win a middle east war- so US is low on soliders and ammunition. Soon its navy will run from the red sea from fatigue and lack of readiness. I am at pain to know wtf US DoD is using an almost $1trn defense budget to do! US cant beat rag tag forces anymore- so many militias are waiting for their beating but US keeps giving them occasional hits, and then begging and negotiating with Iran on the back end, because it knows it can't fight a real middle east war and win.

US had been largely focused on defeating Saddam regime and reshaping political landscape of Iraq since 1991. The war was largely confined to Iraq and Syria to this end. US have achieved this objective. Have it not? Did anybody thought that Saddam regime will be toppled and Iraq will be subjected to Debaathification initiative back in 1991? Nobody had a clue. There was no pressure on the US to do it quickly. US took its time.

But people living in the Middle East are not going anywhere. Some elements exist in the region that are opposed to American moves in the region but are barely touched for now. But US is responding to different threats in propotional ways.

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www.defense.gov

US Airstrike Kills Militia Leader in Iraq in Rare Targeted Attack

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www.thedrive.com

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www.thedrive.com

US is neither deterred, nor defeated in the region. It continues to have a subtantial footprint in the Middle East. This footprint was rather expanded to Iraq and Syria and can be reduced when US feels the need to. Throwing rockets on military bases housing American troops have not worked and will not work. US forces are trained to fight in the face of hostilities. But US forces act upon orders given by American President(s). American leaders decide for them. US is not a banana republic but a mature democractic state with institutions that stay within their constitutional limits.

If the US feels the need to fight another war in the region, it can. It has the capacity to do so. I don't get your continued underselling of American military capability and options.