Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[UKBengali]

Yeah, but first give a pi$s poor, significantly illiterate, environmentally gravely endangered country like Pakistan $50 billion to protect itself from a giant military and economy like India with India's 'Cold Strike' and other doctrines about Kashmir, also while India is certainly an American 'Strategic Ally', while Pakistan's economy is deeply dependent on the West and the GCC countries, while the Israelis have a strong anti-Pakistan presence in India for decades and in a situation where a prominent Indian analyst recently said that '99% of Indians are with Israel'.
The disasters that would await Pakistan if Pakistan jumps into the fray would be of historic proportions.
The Overseas Pakistanis are so deluded to push Pakistan to jump off a plane without a parachute! I am so SICK of them misleading the foreigners about Pakistan's options--or lack of options--given Pakistan's extremely vulnerable points which would affect 220 MILLION Pakistanis!! But then the overseas Pakistan have their own parachutes in the West. @UKBengali , @Davey Crockett

I "liked" that post but more due to Arab wealth and Turkish drones.

Without Pakistani nuclear weapons then S Asia would be under Hindu hegemony long ago and that would be a bad thing for both Pakistan and BD. Pakistan cannot do much as its economy is so reliant on the west and it has a vast and growing population that it needs to feed.

Pakistani nuclear weapons are always a "factor' in terms of restraining the use of nuclear weapons against any Muslim country, as no foe can know what would be Pakistani response if say millions of Muslims were to be killed in a nuclear strike on another Muslim country.

 

[Shadihassan28]

I "thanked" that post but more due to Arab wealth and Turkish drones.

Without Pakistani nuclear weapons then S Asia would be under Hindu hegemony long ago and that would be a bad thing for both Pakistan and BD. Pakistan cannot do much as its economy is so reliant on the west and it has a vast and growing population that it needs to feed.

Pakistani nuclear weapons are always a "factor' in terms of restraining the use of nuclear weapons against any Muslim country, as no foe can know what would be Pakistani response if say millions of Muslims were to be killed in a nuclear strike on another Muslim country.

Right now as I said before maybe a few extra Arab/Muslim countries going full nuclear wouldn’t be the worse thing is America going to after Saudi Arabia I think not turkey maybe a few sanctions Egypt maybe and iran definitely not because I want them to use it but to have a strong deterrent but iran gets it everyone on the top gets it

 

[The SC]

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[StormOfTruth]

The major operations carried out by the Palestinian resistance groups on Tuesday, October 22, are as follows:

Al-Qassam Brigades’ operations on Oct. 22:

• Targeted and destroyed an Israeli military Merkava tank with a powerful explosive device in Tal Al-Zaatar, east of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted a D9 military bulldozer with a ground explosive on Al-Saftawi Street, north of Gaza City.
• Targeted two D9 military bulldozers with a Yassin 105 shell and a Shuath explosive device in the Al-Faluja neighborhood, west of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted an Israeli military D9 bulldozer with a Tandem shell in the Al-Faluja area, west of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.
• Detonated a "television" anti-personnel explosive on an Israeli infantry command group consisting of 12 officers in the Faluja area, west of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades’ operations:

• Targeted the Israeli military’s command and control headquarters near the Civil Administration, east of Jabalia camp, with heavy-caliber mortars.
• Targeted a gathering of Israeli forces stationed along the “Netzarim” axis with short-range 107-caliber rockets.

Mujahideen Brigades’ operations:

• Targeted a position of Israeli forces east of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip, with several mortar shells.
• Targeted a position of Israeli forces advancing west of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip, with multiple mortar shells.

Al-Asifah Forces’ operations:

• Targeted an Israeli military Merkava tank with a Tandem shell in the Qasasib area near the Aisha Mosque, in the center of Jabalia refugee camp, northern Gaza Strip.

 

[Meengla]

I "thanked" that post but more due to Arab wealth and Turkish drones.

Without Pakistani nuclear weapons then S Asia would be under Hindu hegemony long ago and that would be a bad thing for both Pakistan and BD. Pakistan cannot do much as its economy is so reliant on the west and it has a vast and growing population that it needs to feed.

Pakistani nuclear weapons are always a "factor' in terms of restraining the use of nuclear weapons against any Muslim country, as no foe can know what would be Pakistani response if say millions of Muslims were to be killed in a nuclear strike on another Muslim country.

The most important point the foreigners--even those with good geopolitical understanding and are pro Palestinians--don't understand is that Pakistan stood its ground for TWO DECADES to thwart the Americans in Afghanistan. In return for that, Pakistan's international 'image' got destroyed: The same Americans who were calling President Zia ul Haq a 'Benevolent Dictator' because he helped the Americans against the Soviets in Afghanistan--the same Americans worked systematically to destroy Pakistan's image and even possibly helping some terrorist groups inside Pakistan to put pressure on Pakistan to either comply with the American dominance in the region via India or else.
The actions of Pakistan against TWO SUPERPOWERS in Afghanistan, even if ended disastrous for Pakistan's internal peace, were NOT the actions of a 'stooge'. And yet a totally false image of Pakistan is being promoted since a certain politician in Pakistan lost power in 2022. What dishonesty which borders on traitor behavior!
As to Pakistan's support for the Palestinians: It is universal. Even more than Pakistan's support for Kashmiris in a way where now many Pakistanis think to accept some 'just peace' and move on. But in case of Palestinians: There are almost no two opinions. From the Founder of Pakistan Mr. Jinnah's support till now: It is universal support.

 

[Tamerlane]

The most important point the foreigners--even those with good geopolitical understanding and are pro Palestinians--don't understand is that Pakistan stood its ground for TWO DECADES to thwart the Americans in Afghanistan. In return for that, Pakistan's international 'image' got destroyed: The same Americans who were calling President Zia ul Haq a 'Benevolent Dictator' because he helped the Americans against the Soviets in Afghanistan--the same Americans worked systematically to destroy Pakistan's image and even possibly helping some terrorist groups inside Pakistan to put pressure on Pakistan to either comply with the American dominance in the region via India or else.
The actions of Pakistan against TWO SUPERPOWERS in Afghanistan, even if ended disastrous for Pakistan's internal peace, were NOT the actions of a 'stooge'. And yet a totally false image of Pakistan is being promoted since a certain politician in Pakistan lost power in 2022. What dishonesty which borders on traitor behavior!
As to Pakistan's support for the Palestinians: It is universal. Even more than Pakistan's support for Kashmiris in a way where now many Pakistanis think to accept some 'just peace' and move on. But in case of Palestinians: There are almost no two opinions. From the Founder of Pakistan Mr. Jinnah's support till now: It is universal support.

Like I said before, I agree with your other posts, but not the ones related to Pakistan.

Who is responsible for Pakistan being a failed state? Does America impose criminal politicians on Pakistan or the army? Does America tell the judges to take bribes? Why are Pakistani cities among the dirtiest in the world? Are dirty streets a punishment from America? Why is there no decent education?

I can go on and on. Pakistan’s failure has nothing to do with its heroic, singlehanded fight with America/India/Russia/Israel and all the enemies of Islam. It’s got to do with the bad policies of the corrupt and treacherous generals. Somehow Pakistan has the richest generals in the world and the poorest and most wretched people.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan is actually willing to help

We have weapons, expertise, psychopaths who would gladly go to fight regardless of cost, we could supply a variety of weapons to create havoc for Israel
But the ARABS are BLOCKING THE PATH
Which Arab country will allow us to help the Palestinians?
With Jordan do it?
Will Egypt do it?
Will the GCC support our actions?
The Arabs may have a long-term plan, of letting the Israeli and Iranians beat each other, which doesn't make sense to me
But we can't circumnavigate the Arabs, and the Arabs have chosen their beds

How can Pakistan help the Palestinians when Pakistan's economy itself is deeply vested in GCC, the EU and America? Have we looked at the trade figures and the consequences for Pakistan should it go off the script too much? Pakistan's population is about 3 times of Iran and Pakistan has no oil. And Pakistan doesn't have the 'human resources' like Iran either. Have we looked at Pakistan's trade figures with China vs the West/GCC/EU? I bet, even the Chinese tell Pakistanis to be careful and not become another Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Plus there is the India factor.

How many people have thought of the big, powerful India ready to pounce on Pakistan given a chance? How many people have thought of the recurring news/rumors of the Israeli wishes to bomb the Pakistani nuclear facilities since at least the mid 80s? Recently, I saw some Israeli bloggers regretful of not being able to destroy the Pakistani nuclear sites in the 80s because Pakistan was fighting the Soviets by being a close American ally.

My point is that many PDF and non PDF Pakistanis have been promoting Pakistan as an American stooge since the toppling of their favorite political leader in Pakistan and unfortunately an uninformed world , desperately looking for any help against the American world order, have bought the non-sense that Pakistan is an American puppet. Pakistan maybe many things but a stooge it never was or will be. However, one is free to call South Korea or Germany or Jordan as stooge.

 

[Solomon2]

...many PDF and non PDF Pakistanis have been promoting Pakistan as an American stooge since the toppling of their favorite political leader in Pakistan and unfortunately an uninformed world , desperately looking for any help against the American world order, have bought the non-sense that Pakistan is an American puppet. Pakistan maybe many things but a stooge it never was or will be. However, one is free to call South Korea or Germany or Jordan as stooge.

It's always been a case of the tail wagging the dog: since its founding, Pakistani leaders have excelled at wrapping Americans around their thumbs.

 

[Meengla]

Like I said before, I agree with your other posts, but not the ones related to Pakistan.

Who is responsible for Pakistan being a failed state? Does America impose criminal politicians on Pakistan or the army? Does America tell the judges to take bribes? Why are Pakistani cities among the dirtiest in the world? Are dirty streets a punishment from America? Why is there no decent education?

I can go on and on. Pakistan’s failure has nothing to do with its heroic, singlehanded fight with America/India/Russia/Israel and all the enemies of Islam. It’s got to do with the bad policies of the corrupt and treacherous generals. Somehow Pakistan has the richest generals in the world and the poorest and most wretched people.

The Generals and the Anarchist Politicians are to be blamed; more blame is on the Generals but I believe that has to do with Pakistan being a Security State and feudal society from Day One. However, the false notions of Pakistan being an American puppet is absolutely false.

 

[Meengla]

It's always been a case of the tail wagging the dog: since its founding, Pakistani leaders have excelled at wrapping Americans around their thumbs.

I think you are here to defend Israel in the usual Tail wagging the Dog debate, ain't you!
As for the Pakistan-America relations: Unlike most Pakistanis, I believe Pakistanis got a lot out of being an American ally since Pakistan's foundation in 1947 to the point of Pakistan being the only South Asian country to be able to give India more than a bloody nose. But still... Pakistan was never the tail wagging the American dog. Israel is the tail which wags the American dog, as much as you won't like me saying that. But that's for another debate.

 

[Tamerlane]

The Generals and the Anarchist Politicians are to be blamed; more blame is on the Generals but I believe that has to do with Pakistan being a Security State and feudal society from Day One. However, the false notions of Pakistan being an American puppet is absolutely false.

I don’t think the Pakistani generals are in the control of America either. They’re loyal to no one except themselves. Their goal is to make as much money as possible, screw women, drink whiskey, play golf, and f—k off to America or some other Western country when they retire.

They’ll stab anyone in the back to achieve that goal, whether it is America, China, Arabia, or the population of Pakistan.

As far as Afghanistan is concerned, it was like a mix of Eid/Christmas/Divali to them when it got invaded by USSR and USA. It meant lots of dollars. They loved it and would love it if it happens again.

 

[last-soul]

How can Pakistan help the Palestinians when Pakistan's economy itself is deeply vested in GCC, the EU and America? Have we looked at the trade figures and the consequences for Pakistan should it go off the script too much? Pakistan's population is about 3 times of Iran and Pakistan has no oil. And Pakistan doesn't have the 'human resources' like Iran either. Have we looked at Pakistan's trade figures with China vs the West/GCC/EU? I bet, even the Chinese tell Pakistanis to be careful and not become another Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Plus there is the India factor.

How many people have thought of the big, powerful India ready to pounce on Pakistan given a chance? How many people have thought of the recurring news/rumors of the Israeli wishes to bomb the Pakistani nuclear facilities since at least the mid 80s? Recently, I saw some Israeli bloggers regretful of not being able to destroy the Pakistani nuclear sites in the 80s because Pakistan was fighting the Soviets by being a close American ally.

My point is that many PDF and non PDF Pakistanis have been promoting Pakistan as an American stooge since the toppling of their favorite political leader in Pakistan and unfortunately an uninformed world , desperately looking for any help against the American world order, have bought the non-sense that Pakistan is an American puppet. Pakistan maybe many things but a stooge it never was or will be. However, one is free to call South Korea or Germany or Jordan as stooge.

Pakistan doesn't really have an 'economy' as such. The government relys on handouts from IMF, US, World Bank etc, and your average Pakistani is dependent on handouts from overseas Pakistanis. As such, Pakistan is basically non-existeng on the world stage.

 

[Meengla]

From this part of the video, these three very smart, and informed people are talking about the Middle East conflict and how hopeless it is for Israel in the long run. The Lobby's oxygen to Israel is actually killing Israel as a nation and the nation of Israel in turn is an enabler of America's declining power in the Middle East.

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What else can he and the world expect from a genocide?