India Blocks Turkey’s BRICS Bid Over Pakistan Ties

[r3alist]

India will never join any collision to completely corner America or to remove dollar at all.... India will always maintain balance between east and west and it has to be like that only.... China and Russia have their own issues with US and hence they are trying to come up with alternative system but they cannot expect India to join them fully and spoil relations with the west.... India will do so when it suits her interests not just because China and Russia want...

Ok...well.... you just provided an argument yourself on why India might not belong in the reality of brics today....

Similarly if you go to quad and say we want all the benefits minus a confrontational stance to china then you will end up pissing everyone off

You can say that speech as much as you want, a different reality is forming around you

 

[Pingle]

Ok...well.... you just provided an argument yourself on why India might not belong in the reality of brics today....

Similarly if you go to quad and say we want all the benefits minus a confrontational stance to china then you will end up pissing everyone off

You can say that speech as much as you want, a different reality is forming around you

So you are saying only anti America or anti west is allowed in BRICS.... Then why allow Brazil who is just like Canada for US?

 

[Vkdindian1]

India received instructions from the US

What is the basis of this assumption?

It is well known that India defied the west including the US, when it came to dealing with Russia and buying oil and what not? There are many other examples of this defiance.

Some people do hate this kind of display of resolve and always quote “instructions” from XYZ when India takes a decision like this. More like a fashion then anything else.

India has established a fairly robust foreign policy and blocking Turkey’s entry into BRICS was to show Turkey what India can do to them. Can they do anything in return?

 

[mulj]

everyone plays double games even core members and BRICS "founders" among them self.
if mutual interests prevail in contrast of the natural animosities first they need to formalize organization in some operational structure, so far it is all talk no visible substance.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The original piece is published by Global Village Space, which is a US based anti-Pakistan publication.

 

[r3alist]

So you are saying only anti America or anti west is allowed in BRICS.... Then why allow Brazil who is just like Canada for US?

I am only saying what BRICS is saying, which is less dollar dependency as a mutual bloc is their goal, for whatever reasons

If you think that's anti anyone that's your words

If you choose to define that as anti west that's your divergence from BRICS


I discuss this with @Joe Shearer and I couldn't quite convince him I think, but for how long can you sit in East bloc forums and say we can't offend the west too much, our interests etc

Then go to west bloc forums and say who you are to judge our values, our allegiances etc

They will both ask an almost identical question, how much can we trust these guys and how far can we cooperate

Recent events, sco, brics, Trudeaux seems to adequately demonstrate this mirage of an achievable third way middle ground

 

[GatlingGun]

I am only saying what BRICS is saying, which is less dollar dependency as a mutual bloc is their goal, for whatever reasons

If you think that's anti anyone that's your words

If you choose to define that as anti west that's your divergence from BRICS


I discuss this with @Joe Shearer and I couldn't quite convince him I think, but for how long can you sit in East bloc forums and say we can't offend the west too much, our interests etc

Then go to west bloc forums and say who you are to judge our values, our allegiances etc

They will both ask an almost identical question, how much can we trust these guys and how far can we cooperate

Recent events, sco, brics, Trudeaux seems to adequately demonstrate this mirage of an achievable third way middle ground

You guys lack the acumen to build such diplomatic platform. You guys are too finicky like girl going through menstrual cycle. Few years back you and China were riding Americans for it's dollars, now suddenly wanna jump into new cool group.

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[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer what do we think of this note, proud to have in your wallet, look India is right there

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I'm not sure that they know where they are going.

Putin knows; he can't lose if he can pry away as many countries as possible into a new emerging forces coalition.

Xi knows; he owns the world's manufacture, and he doesn't want the US (or Europe) lecturing him about leadership, democracy, human rights and crap like that. He wants it straight-forward; he is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, and it is time everyone did a kowtow, or knelt down and serviced him.

Do the Brazilians, and the South Africans, and the other middle-level nonentities crowding around, really know where they are going? How will it benefit them to move from one economic and socio-political grouping to another?

And, says the gallery section right on top of the stand, in the cheap seats, what about India?

India probably does not think, not any longer. Probably the Class VI graduate (not yet established as fact) is annoyed at being told that his zip is open. Probably the post-graduate popinjay thinks he is striding in Nehru's footsteps, but is going beyond; we don't know.

It strikes me as a petulant and very childish attitude; a scrubby schoolboy in faintly odorous clothes and a need to get to the wash-basin once again, walking away from a football game that has not welcomed him, and pretending not to care. Actually, pretending to be happy to be joining the sullen, morose ground standing and watching with sneers on their faces.

 

[Joe Shearer]

India will never join any collision

Nothing to see here, folks.

We don't do traffic accidents. Don't crowd around.

Move on to the next street, please.

 

[Joe Shearer]

They will both ask an almost identical question, how much can we trust these guys and how far can we cooperate

They have been asking this, openly, and it does seem as if it doesn't matter.
What cooperation?

 

[r3alist]

I'm not sure that they know where they are going.

Putin knows; he can't lose if he can pry away as many countries as possible into a new emerging forces coalition.

Xi knows; he owns the world's manufacture, and he doesn't want the US (or Europe) lecturing him about leadership, democracy, human rights and crap like that. He wants it straight-forward; he is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, and it is time everyone did a kowtow, or knelt down and serviced him.

Do the Brazilians, and the South Africans, and the other middle-level nonentities crowding around, really know where they are going? How will it benefit them to move from one economic and socio-political grouping to another?

And, says the gallery section right on top of the stand, in the cheap seats, what about India?

India probably does not think, not any longer. Probably the Class VI graduate (not yet established as fact) is annoyed at being told that his zip is open. Probably the post-graduate popinjay thinks he is striding in Nehru's footsteps, but is going beyond; we don't know.

It strikes me as a petulant and very childish attitude; a scrubby schoolboy in faintly odorous clothes and a need to get to the wash-basin once again, walking away from a football game that has not welcomed him, and pretending not to care. Actually, pretending to be happy to be joining the sullen, morose ground standing and watching with sneers on their faces.

The fact that Brazil and South Africa are at the table, discussing and shaping a financial system is already a tremendous upgrade from before, they will always have the honour of being founding members for a system for their people

That anyone wants to remove, or have the option to remove the middle man dollar out of the way is inherently useful

Come on Joe, you don't think they know where they are going, wowwww

 

[r3alist]

They have been asking this, openly, and it does seem as if it doesn't matter.
What cooperation?

I think the national Indian character, yes I am going there, to the extent it exists, thrives in grey areas and promises of more to come with amenable stake holders

What we will learn is the handling of black and white questions forcefully posed, will be interesting




Will you support a US defence of Taiwan?

Will you throw your heft behind a brics currency?

Will you substantially buy more strategic Russian weapons?



Answers to these live questions will either please or displease, I am just repeating myself right now

 

[vasanthm]

India is part of the club and gets to decide if anyone should be let in, Turkey has always been pro Pakistan and anti India at high levels, why will India want them in.. and why do Pakistanis have any say in a club they are not part of.
Why do you care how we run our groupings...

 

[HAIDER]

Turkey is literally part of NATO, A western defence pact. And you Pakistani are shamelessly harping about QUAD.

What is the purpose of QUAD for India?


The four Quad members have played a major role in purposefully redefining the "Asia-Pacific" as the "Indo-Pacific", to deepen trans-regional ties between the Indian and Pacific Ocean areas, and to, in their words, deal more effectively with the rise of China in Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

 

[Awwad]

Well Turkey under Erdogan should never be allowed in BRICS... its a threat to world peace.... see how they bombed Iraq and Syria yesterday for no fault of them....

What's your view for Israel then? Israel bombs Syria / Lebanon thousands of times more than Turkey. Analyze your double standards & dishonesty yourself. You mold principles according to your own likes / dislikes. You don't have a principle stand.

You must Apply same principle to everyone & everything without personal likes / dislikes. If you make a stance that Turkey is a threat to world peace as they occasionally bomb Syria then you must also accept that Israel is an evil monster that needs to be eliminated to save human race & values.