India Blocks Turkey’s BRICS Bid Over Pakistan Ties

[KingQamaR]

why the BRICS organisation should not trust India when India isn't helping them Brics made big mistake by adding india to BRICS Group.

 

[-OG-]

Turkish analyst refutes German Bild's report of India rejecting Türkiye's BRICS membership - Türkiye Today

Turkish analyst Sinan Ulgen refutes Bild report on Türkiye's BRICS membership bid, clarifying that the issue was not voted on

www.turkiyetoday.com

Turkish foreign policy expert Sinan Ulgen refuted claims made by the German news outlet Bild on Wednesday, which quoted him as saying that India had rejected Türkiye’s BRICS membership bid.

Turkish presidency announced that BRICS did not have any expansion talks on its agenda during the Kazan summit.

The presidency noted that any report alleging that India blocked Türkiye’s membership is totally baseless.

The bid, according to Ulgen, was not voted on, though there are reports of opposition from several member states.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What I get out of this thread is that Pakistanis, perhaps even the Pakistani establishment itself, disapproves of India getting into BRICS.

Such disapproval is difficult to withstand, and perhaps we may see an embarrassed Modi resign in sheer remorse.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Turkish analyst refutes German Bild's report of India rejecting Türkiye's BRICS membership - Türkiye Today

Turkish analyst Sinan Ulgen refutes Bild report on Türkiye's BRICS membership bid, clarifying that the issue was not voted on

www.turkiyetoday.com

Well, @Dalit's spurious original post led to a pleasurable discussion where everybody told everybody else how the world should be run.

Rather good value for money.

 

[Faithfulguy]

Nothing to see here, folks.

We don't do traffic accidents. Don't crowd around.

Move on to the next street, please.

Don’t you have better thing to do than making a post and poking fun of @Pingle post misspelling. We clearly know what he is trying to say is “coalition” and I had a quick chuckle when I read his post. But it’s uncalled for to make a post just to be a spelling czar to humiliate someone.

 

[Guynextdoor]

why the BRICS organisation should not trust India when India isn't helping them Brics made big mistake by adding india to BRICS Group.

BRICS- a grouping of the fastest growing major economies in the world
India - fastest growing major economu in the world

 

[Faithfulguy]

What is the purpose of QUAD for India?


The four Quad members have played a major role in purposefully redefining the "Asia-Pacific" as the "Indo-Pacific", to deepen trans-regional ties between the Indian and Pacific Ocean areas, and to, in their words, deal more effectively with the rise of China in Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

Quad is where India gets its instruction on how to sabotage any effort to replace the dollar based economy. BRICS is the organization where India perform the sabotage. I’m certain that both Russia and China know about what India is doing. This goes with what Vito said, “Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.”

 

[Joe Shearer]

Don’t you have better thing to do than making a post and poking fun of @Pingle post misspelling. We clearly know what he is trying to say is “coalition” and I had a quick chuckle when I read his post. But it’s uncalled for to make a post just to be a spelling czar to humiliate someone.

You've earned your fees.

 

[Eşbah]

The information presented is misleading. The journalist cited as the source of this news has already refuted the claims attributed to him. He just stated that India could be a (negativ) factor in Türkiye's bid to join BRICS.

The German tabloid BILD has a notorious reputation for spreading falsehoods and propaganda.

It is generally regarded as an unreliable source.

 

[KingQamaR]

BRICS- a grouping of the fastest growing major economies in the world
India - fastest growing major economu in the world

BRICs is looking more and more messy by the day. none of these countries even remotely get along with each other now because of you Indians . its just bizarre

 

[muhammed45]

everyone plays double games even core members and BRICS "founders" among them self.
if mutual interests prevail in contrast of the natural animosities first they need to formalize organization in some operational structure, so far it is all talk no visible substance.

China has a trade surplus of almost 400 billion dollar with the US.

We can accuse India of being a US pawn on the chessboard all we want. But reality is that giant economies such as China and India do not want to lose their economic relationship with USA. It is because of their national interests.

So the major goal of BRICS is not removing dollar from their economies as i have understood, its goal is to introduce an alternative path for mutual transactions between member states independnent from western hemisphere. A path that Russia and Iran need more than all of other member states. Next step will be strengthening BRICS alliance through heavily investing in it by all memebes, buidling infrastructures for it and avoid allowing unwanted elements into the alliance. The information and the intelligence bases that will be developed between the BRICS states and also as a whole are more important than other issues.

Neither India nor China gonna sacrifice hundreds of billions of trade with the US. That is a reality. However both these nations have felt the threat of USA's centric policies making them eager to have a plan b to avoid sudden collapse after US imposed tariffs.

Turkey should not be allowed until it leaves NATO. Turkey will be a major threat to intelligence bases of BRICS as a NATO member state. That is whats stopping its entrance into BRICS.

 

[Awwad]

How you come to the conclusion that India is an absolute ally of the US is mysterious. Since when has our past history conveyed that impression?

A lot has changed in this century.

Since the onset of this century, the United States realized that China will be its number 1 rival & challenge for the rest of this century, they could not use Pakistan against it. Even though Pakistan was frontline state / major ally by start of the century as it was providing supply line to NATO in Afghanistan but still when President Bush left the office, his notes were made public years later, that were sent to President Barak Obama the next president. His notes specifically mentioned that India is an ally, Pakistan is not. (see: https://www.firstpost.com/explainer...ld-barack-obama-in-secret-memos-12158982.html) Note, it was said, when there was no Quad, no close military ties.

Whatever followed has proven that US-indo relationship are nothing short of absolute alliance. US did sanctions waiver to india despite buyer of S-400, not even Turkey was spared which was a NATO member. India was included in QUAD, India & US did nuclear deal, India & US signed various strategic agreements between 2017 to 2018. The defense ties are limitless, P-8Is, Apaches, Predator drones, war plane engines, almost everything is accessible to india. Lot of NRIs are in US tech giants and other industries, Lot of NRI's are even coming up in US politics. The US-indo has a lot economic benefits together. That's why I say, india is even more closer to the US than some of NATO members like Turkey.

 

[mmonga]

Probably they'll keep mum on Kashmir and raise it again whenever the need arises and thats ok. It won't make a difference to us anyways. Our relationship with them is mostly related to the supply of defence equipment and people to people contact due to culture and that will continue. The India-Turkiye relations can never reach that level for two reasons. Firstly, the Turks are watching India supply arms to Armenia which is a threat to both Turkiye and its sister country Azerbaijan and secondly, Türkiye is an aspiring power and it has interest expanding its sphere of influence in the East. Unless India gives up its islands or territory or businesses for Turkish interests maybe then it can work. The East - West corridor btw which India has planned includes Greece and excludes Turkiye. That is another element of concern for Turkiye.

If Turkiye stops acting against Indian interests, India will also look towards taking care of Turkiye's needs upto an extent. Selling arms to Armenia is just about business.
Russia sells arms to China which is a clear issue with India, but still Russia is a good friend of India.

 

[KingQamaR]

China has a trade surplus of almost 400 billion dollar with the US.

We can accuse India of being a US pawn on the chessboard all we want. But reality is that giant economies such as China and India do not want to lose their economic relationship with USA. It is because of their national interests.

So the major goal of BRICS is not removing dollar from their economies as i have understood, its goal is to introduce an alternative path for mutual transactions between member states independnent from western hemisphere. A path that Russia and Iran need more than all of other member states. Next step will be strengthening BRICS alliance through heavily investing in it by all memebes, buidling infrastructures for it and avoid allowing unwanted elements into the alliance. The information and the intelligence bases that will be developed between the BRICS states and also as a whole are more important than other issues.

Neither India nor China gonna sacrifice hundreds of billions of trade with the US. That is a reality. However both these nations have felt the threat of USA's centric policies making them eager to have a plan b to avoid sudden collapse after US imposed tariffs.

Turkey should not be allowed until it leaves NATO. Turkey will be a major threat to intelligence bases of BRICS as a NATO member state. That is whats stopping its entrance into BRICS.

The dollar is being weaponised.. that's why other countries are looking for alternatives, and that's just one reason why. It is not about reshaping the global trade, but to use their respective currencies in trading, basically to avoid any sanction from the US.

 

[-OG-]

A lot has changed in this century.

Since the onset of this century, the United States realized that China will be its number 1 rival & challenge for the rest of this century, they could not use Pakistan against it. Even though Pakistan was frontline state / major ally by start of the century as it was providing supply line to NATO in Afghanistan but still when President Bush left the office, his notes were made public years later, that were sent to President Barak Obama the next president. His notes specifically mentioned that India is an ally, Pakistan is not. (see: https://www.firstpost.com/explainer...ld-barack-obama-in-secret-memos-12158982.html) Note, it was said, when there was no Quad, no close military ties.

Whatever followed has proven that US-indo relationship are nothing short of absolute alliance. US did sanctions waiver to india despite buyer of S-400, not even Turkey was spared which was a NATO member. India was included in QUAD, India & US did nuclear deal, India & US signed various strategic agreements between 2017 to 2018. The defense ties are limitless, P-8Is, Apaches, Predator drones, war plane engines, almost everything is accessible to india. Lot of NRIs are in US tech giants and other industries, Lot of NRI's are even coming up in US politics. The US-indo has a lot economic benefits together. That's why I say, india is even more closer to the US than some of NATO members like Turkey.

No F35 offer to India. Only F21 and F18, both old airframes.