Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[Alter_Ego]

That may be so.

To avoid this, one solution is to ban student politics altogether. If Chatro League can be banned, this can be easily doable IMO.

Political violence has no place in educational institutions. The student politics in current context has no purpose other than being a weapon.



The current generation of young adults (Gen Z) are very different from the adult generation of the 80s (Gen X). Gen Y are somewhere in the middle.

It is safe to say this generation is more religiously observant compared to their predecessors.

Concerning student politics on campuses, I completely agree with your assessment. Violence and thuggery masked under party politics have no place in modern civilized education institutions.

But i think the consequences of a complete ban would have negative repercussions, both in Bangladesh internal politics and external relationships.

A more constructive path would be to start with regulations of student politics on campuses and strictly enforce the rules.

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[Strider]

Concerning student politics on campuses, I completely agree with your assessment. Violence and thuggery masjed under party politics have no place in a modern civilized education institutions.

But i think the consequences of a complete ban would have negative repercussions, both in Bangladesh internal politics and external relationships.

A more contructive path would be to start with regulations of student politics on campuses and strictly enforce the rules.

That is fine and fair.

From my understanding, the main deliverable of student politics was to gather grass-roots support. And muscle power here and there of-course. I just don't think that such support can be gathered from students alone. It is just not representative of the population demographics in Bangladesh.

Political parties should find better and more effective ways to communicate and gather support. There are hundreds of problems in Bangladesh that needs to be addressed. That support base should be representative of the people of all demographics in Bangladesh. And not just a selective few who make the student politicians do their dirty work.

Only then can we have a representative democracy.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Btw does anybody here have clue who is the owner of Jamuna TV? Does it recieve funding from US State department?

 

[Strider]

Btw does anybody here have clue who is the owner of Jamuna TV? Does it recieve funding from US State department?

It is owned by Jamuna Group with Mrs. Salma Islam as current chairman.

Home | Jamuna Group

Jamuna Group is one of the largest Bangladeshi industrial conglomerates. The industries under this conglomerate include Textiles, Chemicals, Leather, motor cycles, Consumer products, Media, etc.

jamunagroup.com.bd

Don't know if it receives funding from US State Department. But I heard a motto like "Shop like as if you are in USA" or some motto in one of their fancy hypermarkets which is said to mirror Costco.

It is not cheap.

 

[Alter_Ego]

It is owned by Jamuna Group with Mrs. Salma Islam as current chairman.

Home | Jamuna Group

Jamuna Group is one of the largest Bangladeshi industrial conglomerates. The industries under this conglomerate include Textiles, Chemicals, Leather, motor cycles, Consumer products, Media, etc.

jamunagroup.com.bd

Don't know if it receives funding from US State Department. But I heard a motto like "Shop like as if you are in USA" or some motto in one of their fancy hypermarkets which is said to mirror Costco.

It is not cheap.

I find this channel suspiciously zionist leaning. Their reporting is almost like scripted from a Sky News desk.

Salma Islam - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This lady is a former Parliament member.

 

[MNZGamerX]

Jamaat is probably the only party without Indian influence, although money could change things but it is difficult because of religious beliefs. But Jamaat on its own cannot win majority. Even with a coalition of all Islamic parties would at best make them the main opposition. They will have to wait at least 5 more years or even more.

The party formed by the students will be a hodgepodge of pro US and Pro India people, trying to push Uber secularism and Uber liberal ideology such as lgbtq which goes against conservative Bengali culture.

BNP's situation is kinda the same. It has a mix of Pro US, China and India people in it.

Actually religious beliefs are not enough to thwart Indian influence as a number of Islamic parties have been known to take Indian money over the years. What people make the mistake of is not realizing that Jamaat is actually a pro-US party and has been so for decades. Even its off shoot like the AB Party is just a US puppet. The Jamaat has over the decades studiously followed an American agenda that is why it has shifted between the Awami League and the BNP as the Americans required.

Any party formed by the students movement will be mostly US leaning but have numerous Indian infiltrators. There is certainly likely to be a push for LBGTQ+ rights which will be firmly opposed. There may be alternate students groups and parties that will be backed by India.

On the Jamaat issue it should remembered that it follows the ideology of Maulana Maududi who opposed the creation of Pakistan but once the latter came into being the Jamaat in East Pakistan supported it not only because of Islam but because the Americans wanted it.

 

[Afif]

Actually religious beliefs are not enough to thwart Indian influence as a number of Islamic parties have been known to take Indian money over the years. What people make the mistake of is not realizing that Jamaat is actually a pro-US party and has been so for decades. Even its off shoot like the AB Party is just a US puppet. The Jamaat has over the decades studiously followed an American agenda that is why it has shifted between the Awami League and the BNP as the Americans required.

Any party formed by the students movement will be mostly US leaning but have numerous Indian infiltrators. There is certainly likely to be a push for LBGTQ+ rights which will be firmly opposed. There may be alternate students groups and parties that will be backed by India.

On the Jamaat issue it should remembered that it follows the ideology of Maulana Maududi who opposed the creation of Pakistan but once the latter came into being the Jamaat in East Pakistan supported it not only because of Islam but because the Americans wanted it.

Any evidence to back this sweeping claims?

 

[MNZGamerX]

Any evidence to back this sweeping claims?

Yes all the information is in The India Doctrine (1947-2007) -

The India Doctrine (1947-2007)

The India Doctrine (1947-2007)

www.academia.edu

 

[PakAl]

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5 points demand by student leaders -

1. Invalidate 1972 constitution and implement a new constitution

2. Declare Chatro League (BAL student wing) as a terrorist organization and ban them within this week

3. Hasina appointed President Chuppu must resign within this week

4. Based on the spirit of the August Revolution - issue a new proclamation of Republic within this week. The nation will be run based on this new proclamation and based on the unity of all political parties

5. Declare the last 3 elections 2014, 2018 and 2024 as illegal.

Aren't the students demanding too much? They have already removed Hasina, government dissolved etc. Students should be concentrating on forming a political party with technocrats and clean politicians. Any update on if a new party will be formed?

 

[PakAl]

As we have seen from the last few comments many realize that the political parties are part of the problem and do not want reform.

If you bring in a new constitution, reforms, rule of law then how will the political parties run their money making businesses, bribery etc. The dacoits will all stick together as they all will suffer. Bangladesh needs to form a new political party, backed by students, technocrats, and clean politicians, this party will be a part of major reforms, against corruption, pro education etc.

 

[PakAl]

I have heard that the students are forming a party as we speak. They just aren't releasing anything regarding their plans at this moment. They are very hush-hush about the whole exercise. But if they can establish a party with experienced people, I will definitely vote for them despite their inexperience.

My concern is that this revolution may be hijacked by some other party. Most likely the BNP. I may be wrong, but my suspicions often turn out to be right.

The BNP has no consistency in their ideas and actions that can move the nation forward in a direction most beneficial for the nation. The only individual who had this consistency was Ziaur Rahman. The rest are just opportunistic garbage.

It has become imperative that alternate parties be formed which can deliver value. The BNP and AL just don't deliver that.

It's good news if the students are forming a new political party, they should contact clean politicians from other parties, and technocrats, professionals in order to create a Bangladesh national party, a party that looks after its people interests, promotes education, rule of law, reforms, updates government system, electrol system, police, Judiciary etc.

If elections happen in 1 year time, BNP will win it with JI coming 2nd. AML is still a big power but their power will be reduced due to action taking against them. The new party of students may have to play opposition role, unless ofcourse the people somehow come out and vote them in to power.

 

[PakAl]

Actually religious beliefs are not enough to thwart Indian influence as a number of Islamic parties have been known to take Indian money over the years. What people make the mistake of is not realizing that Jamaat is actually a pro-US party and has been so for decades. Even its off shoot like the AB Party is just a US puppet. The Jamaat has over the decades studiously followed an American agenda that is why it has shifted between the Awami League and the BNP as the Americans required.

Any party formed by the students movement will be mostly US leaning but have numerous Indian infiltrators. There is certainly likely to be a push for LBGTQ+ rights which will be firmly opposed. There may be alternate students groups and parties that will be backed by India.

On the Jamaat issue it should remembered that it follows the ideology of Maulana Maududi who opposed the creation of Pakistan but once the latter came into being the Jamaat in East Pakistan supported it not only because of Islam but because the Americans wanted it.

The Jamat Islami is similar to Muslim Brotherhood, people who use Islamic slogans for politics but are easily infiltrated, influenced by western ideas. If we dig deep in to them we will realise they are actually pro west islamist groups who want to rule Muslim world and modernise them with western values, they also want to update quran and sunnah (but no point discussing this as it will lead to religious debates). The Jamaat/Muslim Brotherhood type of groups will always clash with historical Muslim values.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Actually religious beliefs are not enough to thwart Indian influence as a number of Islamic parties have been known to take Indian money over the years. What people make the mistake of is not realizing that Jamaat is actually a pro-US party and has been so for decades. Even its off shoot like the AB Party is just a US puppet. The Jamaat has over the decades studiously followed an American agenda that is why it has shifted between the Awami League and the BNP as the Americans required.

Any party formed by the students movement will be mostly US leaning but have numerous Indian infiltrators. There is certainly likely to be a push for LBGTQ+ rights which will be firmly opposed. There may be alternate students groups and parties that will be backed by India.

On the Jamaat issue it should remembered that it follows the ideology of Maulana Maududi who opposed the creation of Pakistan but once the latter came into being the Jamaat in East Pakistan supported it not only because of Islam but because the Americans wanted it.

I have heard that before, and it is likely because of the same reason Pakistan was always pro US, dating back to Cold war period. US backed the Islamist movements across the globe at the time, as it was effective to countering communism.

Jamaat 's leaning towards US is one of the reasons their politics is not held in high regard by pro Khilafah or traditional Islamic minded individuals and parties in BD. In addition to the fact that they follow the democratic system. Even Islami Andolon (Charmonai Pir's Party) had a breakdown in talks for alliance with Jamaat recently, although that was perhaps for a different reason.

Nonetheless, a strong Jamaat and in essence a coalition of Islamic parties, whether in power or effective primary opposition, remains the best option to countering an Indian government with hegemonic agenda in my opinion. This is because, behind the intrusive and imperialist approach of Indian governments - revenge for hundreds of years under Muslim rule and a return to pre Islamic "Akhand Bharat" is a key motivator for many within Indian government. It was always about religion. You are obviously more well read on this matter than I am.

At least BJP govt is open about it with their approach regarding Muslims.

Which is why I will disagree on the point that religious beliefs aren't sufficient to counter Indian or any other foreign aggression. It mostly is, but you will always have a bad apple here and there. No system is ever bulletproof. Just like Hezbollah had the Cellphone attacks and Nasrallah death - which are certainly because of traitors within. Nonetheless, the jeal you see in Hezbollah and Hamas combatants has almost everything to do with religious belief. Compare the stature of Hamas with that of Fatah now. One is growing in numbers while the other is being called out as Zionist puppet. The difference being - Hamas is driven by religious ideology, while Fatah follows secular nationalism. Religion does play a huge role in an individual's psyche.

From my personal interactions with Shibir members, religion plays a huge role in their life and that keeps them well directed towards their objective. I am generalizing but they have a fear of afterlife - which keeps them in check. That's why we saw so many undercover Shibir members exposing the Chatro League secret WhatsApp groups and discussions by infiltrating their ranks. Without religion acting as the moral compass, it would have been much easier for them to just assimilate, maintain status quo by keeping Hasina in power and make a fortune through all the criminal activities Chatro League used to conduct.

 

[LeonBlack08]

Aren't the students demanding too much? They have already removed Hasina, government dissolved etc. Students should be concentrating on forming a political party with technocrats and clean politicians. Any update on if a new party will be formed?

They are working on it. In the meantime they launched a committee to work as a pressure group. https://www.thedailystar.net/news/b...ember-jatiya-nagorik-committee-formed-3697511

There have been some names floating around in social media. It doesn't give me too much hope personally, because some of the names are pro US and very liberal. But would definitely be an upgrade from Hasina's corrupt bunch.

With regards to the latest demands - it came about after the President, who is Hasina appointee, wanted to stir up some trouble in cahoots with a local newspaper. He indicated that he didn't see Hasina's resignation papers, which contradicts his earlier statement. He later got back in line though and clarified his statement - most likely because of all the pressure put in by the students.

I think the students will drop these demands now that they managed to get the student wing of Awami League banned and declared as a terrorist organization. Let's see what happens in the next couple of days.

 

[MNZGamerX]

I have heard that before, and it is likely because of the same reason Pakistan was always pro US, dating back to Cold war period. US backed the Islamist movements across the globe at the time, as it was effective to countering communism.

Jamaat 's leaning towards US is one of the reasons their politics is not held in high regard by pro Khilafah or traditional Islamic minded individuals and parties in BD. In addition to the fact that they follow the democratic system. Even Islami Andolon (Charmonai Pir's Party) had a breakdown in talks for alliance with Jamaat recently, although that was perhaps for a different reason.

Nonetheless, a strong Jamaat and in essence a coalition of Islamic parties, whether in power or effective primary opposition, remains the best option to countering an Indian government with hegemonic agenda in my opinion. This is because, behind the intrusive and imperialist approach of Indian governments - revenge for hundreds of years under Muslim rule and a return to pre Islamic "Akhand Bharat" is a key motivator for many within Indian government. It was always about religion. You are obviously more well read on this matter than I am.

At least BJP govt is open about it with their approach regarding Muslims.

Which is why I will disagree on the point that religious beliefs aren't sufficient to counter Indian or any other foreign aggression. It mostly is, but you will always have a bad apple here and there. No system is ever bulletproof. Just like Hezbollah had the Cellphone attacks and Nasrallah death - which are certainly because of traitors within. Nonetheless, the jeal you see in Hezbollah and Hamas combatants has almost everything to do with religious belief. Compare the stature of Hamas with that of Fatah now. One is growing in numbers while the other is being called out as Zionist puppet. The difference being - Hamas is driven by religious ideology, while Fatah follows secular nationalism. Religion does play a huge role in an individual's psyche.

From my personal interactions with Shibir members, religion plays a huge role in their life and that keeps them well directed towards their objective. I am generalizing but they have a fear of afterlife - which keeps them in check. That's why we saw so many undercover Shibir members exposing the Chatro League secret WhatsApp groups and discussions by infiltrating their ranks. Without religion acting as the moral compass, it would have been much easier for them to just assimilate, maintain status quo by keeping Hasina in power and make a fortune through all the criminal activities Chatro League used to conduct.

I will confine myself to the issue of the Islamic ideologies that guide groups like Jamaat, Hezbollah and Hamas and why they are not comparable. Jamaat follows the ideology of Maulana Maududi who tended to prefer working through the existing system rather than revolutionary change and this perspective permeates Jamaat to this day and it allows it to adopt Pro-American stances.

On the other hand, Hezbollah is a militant group which is guided by Shia theologians who have no trouble accepting armed struggle as a way of life, Hamas similarly is a militant organization although Sunni and likely takes at least some of their ideas from the Muslim Brotherhood and the ideas of Syed Qutb and Hassan al-Banna who both broke from Maududi and accepted armed struggle as a path to liberating Muslims from Western and secularist influences and hegemony.

As for the other Islamic groups in Bangladesh their ideology is far different from Jamaat and many have aligned with India and did maintain good relations with the Awami League. I see no possibility of an Islamic united front. It has never actually happened in Bangladesh's history.