Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

That requires the jets flying over Turkey before it enters Azerbaijan. Or are you saying Azerbaijan itself launched the attack? That would be very unlikely as Azerbaijan would know the consequences.

@Hack-Hook

Wouldn’t be jets it would be Israeli secret drone with munitions flying in areas where Turkish AD is not strong or looking for intrusion. You forget eastern Turkey is extremely mountainous which blocks radar and hides objects. A stealth wing fighter can easily get lost in that topography.

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It was filmed today in Lebanon.

And yes you cannot discount the fact that Israeli elements inside Azerbaijan launched the munitions without Azeri knowledge. Same way Israeli elements inside Iran launched the quadcopters. Israeli likely has hundreds of agents inside Azerbaijan secretly working to set up covert elements to assist with attack on Iran.

Iran knows this and has mentioned it as well to Azerbaijan.

 

[Hack-Hook]

That requires the jets flying over Turkey before it enters Azerbaijan. Or are you saying Azerbaijan itself launched the attack? That would be very unlikely as Azerbaijan would know the consequences.

@Hack-Hook

they could have stationed some there previously

 

[Hack-Hook]

Wouldn’t be jets it would be Israeli secret drone with munitions flying in areas where Turkish AD is not strong or looking for intrusion. You forget eastern Turkey is extremely mountainous which blocks radar and hides objects. A stealth wing fighter can easily get lost in that topography.

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It was filmed today in Lebanon.

And yes you cannot discount the fact that Israeli elements inside Azerbaijan launched the munitions without Azeri knowledge. Same way Israeli elements inside Iran launched the quadcopters. Israeli likely has hundreds of agents inside Azerbaijan secretly working to set up covert elements to assist with attack on Iran.

Iran knows this and has mentioned it as well to Azerbaijan.

if it was over Lebanon wonder why they didn't attack it

and i doubt its Israel element in Azerbaijan without their government knowledge it was not a quad-copter attack

 

[Bengal71]

Wouldn’t be jets it would be Israeli secret drone with munitions flying in areas where Turkish AD is not strong or looking for intrusion. You forget eastern Turkey is extremely mountainous which blocks radar and hides objects. A stealth wing fighter can easily get lost in that topography.

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It was filmed today in Lebanon.

And yes you cannot discount the fact that Israeli elements inside Azerbaijan launched the munitions without Azeri knowledge. Same way Israeli elements inside Iran launched the quadcopters. Israeli likely has hundreds of agents inside Azerbaijan secretly working to set up covert elements to assist with attack on Iran.

Iran knows this and has mentioned it as well to Azerbaijan.

they could have stationed some there previously

Ok. But all of that sounds a bit too far fetched. Why can't the F-15s launch longer range missiles instead?

 

[Snake]

Russi has no choice but Iran

This is a novice statement. Consider the following wartime scenario:

Suppose Russia agrees to arm Iran with $3b worth of defense equipment.

The next day there will be a Zionist diplomat in Moscow with 10 or so Jewish Russian oligarchs saying "we will get the Americans to drop sanctions A, B, C and get them to decrease Ukraine funding if you don't give Iran X, Y, Z"

You think that's not a choice available to Russians?

 

[Flotilla]

The way you hype up the incompetent US military, one would quickly forget Afghanistan and Iraqi resistance defeated US and US is most likely unable to muster large enough forces and ammunition to fight Iran effectively today, because nato and US overinvested In a disaster- its called Ukraine. Ukraine is natos waterloo. Iran, China amd Russia will not stop supporting Russia's war against neonazi Ukraine because it is degrading NATO as we speak. You normally.post well but this post smells of desperation mixed with disconnect from natos military reality today- NATO is actually weak, if it was strong ,it wouldn't need to fight AS A COALITION. It's feels so threatened when Russia and N. Korea enact their military partnership- just 2 countries! Vs NATOs 10s of countries. I say that todsy ,US cannot mount the large air campaign that's needed to try to destroy Iran- don't evencmention the non existent ground forces that are needed. US just seems to be getting into worse and worse trouble everyday.

You are mistaken your point of view. In Afghanistan and Irak the US military was defeat with a strategy of guerrillas.

In Ukraine today you are seeing a different type of war. It is a conventional attrition war that is not comparable to Afghanistan or Irak war. In fact NATO didn't intervene directly in Ukraine. As you don't see F35 or F18 in their skies. They just límites their support to some "advisors" and a lot of heavy weaponry. But they are doing it whitout a credible Air Force and delivering slowly the Caesar and Leopards artillery and tanks.

If you hit hard back Israel the starting point will be something different to Afghanistan or Ukraine. You can start the round with the most advanced F35 of the world (probably more than USAF or US Navy ones). Them you must transit in the Middle of at least two CASG stationed in the Mediterranean Sea and Arabic Sea. And finally some B2 and top nocht europeans fighters like EF2000, Rafales and more F35. None of those systems have been involved in the Ukranian teatre.

So the way to fight Israel must be wise and not conventional. Just like they are doing actually. For sure Iran can stand better to AN Air campaign than Serbia or Ukraine. But the heavy toll price would mean to destroy nearly all ballistic missile infraestructure and probably nuclear one too after months of heavy bombing. Even It is possible that Iran could win such a campaign like Vietnam during Linebackers operations. But the price in lives and destructions makes it inhumane.

As you said let US walk to another mistake. Iran must continue their plan to reinforce the allies as US allies are loosing their face in the ground (US first in Irak and Syria, Saudí Arabia second in Yemen and now Israel in Lebanon).

 

[Bengal71]

This is a novice statement. Consider the following wartime scenario:

Suppose Russia agrees to arm Iran with $3b worth of defense equipment.

The next day there will be a Zionist diplomat in Moscow with 10 or so Jewish Russian oligarchs saying "we will get the Americans to drop sanctions A, B, C and get them to decrease Ukraine funding if you don't give Iran X, Y, Z"

You think that's not a choice available to Russians?

Consider the following scenario:

If that was actually possible, why the Russians aren't selling Su-35 and whatever else Iran wants already?

 

[ToddE]

Hi,

It is very difficult to change the mindset of 'Old Guard'.

If Iran had established its mobile batteries in the areas you mentioned and kept on a high number of strikes on enemy assets---

You should realize that you are talking about foriegn territories that have their own militaries and decision-makers too. Yes Iran kinda dominates these countries like Syria and Iraq but we can't just barge in there and start putting our air defenses there without the local military body agreeing to that. It takes years.

Yes if leadership was smart they could have chalked out a plan at the end of Syrian war to stretch IADS into Iraq and then into Syria with local governments. Our own systems were being designed and built at that time, Iranian Air defence could have focused on bigger picture of spreading the grid but our military decision making is dominated by Old Battle Hardened Ground Soldiers turned Generals who have little regard for technology, it's a global phenomenon among militaries where ground forces want "boots on the ground" first. Thanks to them Iran is more than ever entrenched in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and won't go anywhere, but IMO these generals should rely upon technology more. Its a changing world and its never too late to learn and adapt. Iran should plan a network of IADS in Iraq and Syria. Yes ALBMs, Hypersonics cant be stopped by any country (Israel took massive hits) but any IADS is better than nothing.

results would be different today---.

Results of Iran-Israel Conflict:

IRGC has twice made a mess out of worlds most advanced Integrated Air Defence System (IADS). The October strike few weeks ago was just pure humiliation for Israel, the myth of "invincibility" was shattered. Iron Dome, David Sling and whatever else they had, could not even stop a single Hypersonic MaRV fired at Israeli bases. In return, Iranian nuclear sites, the FABs, IRGC HQs, underground bases, oil terminals etc were not targeted. The same MAD DOG doctrine of Israel is not being seen against Iran. If its a diplomatic blackmail then its a massive victory for Iran against an enemy that controls politics and treasuries of superpowers and can bankrupt you if it wants, can drop a JDAM over pregnant women and babies and laugh about it. That enemy failed to be the MAD DOG against Iran and signaled the retreat. A strategic impasse or status quo has been established. Militarily, this conflict is a blessing in disguise for Iran to sharpen its fangs against one of the world's greatest foes.

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran crucially needs precision

I don't know how Iran is working to upgrade the accuracy, specially those of big liquid fueled MRBMs, i really hope this will improve by any mean possible

I can't trust in "Iran did it on purpose to de escalate", but this is a possibility

In TP Iran shown that it could inflict psychological damage to Israel

In TP2 Iran shown that it doesn't care of Israel AD and ABM shield

TP3= ? I hope this will be that Iran shows how it can accurately hit targets with decent destruction while at the same time dodge ABM shield.

TP-1 was a massive attack on a scale never seen before featuring drones/ CM’s and BM’s. First of its kind on this planet.

I believe dozens of drones and CM’s found their mark. BM’s obviously made it thru the majority of them.

It shook the west to their core!

 

[Lulldapull]

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Oh paee these YouTube Indians create these sensational and bombastic vidz of an epic armageddonist/ rapture struggle between Islam and Al-Yahudiyat.

It’s qiyamat type third class vidz of ghareeb Muslims vs the rich west and these are intended for their dalit awaam like iss-toopid hindu filumm.

 

[Tijani]

Wouldn’t be jets it would be Israeli secret drone with munitions flying in areas where Turkish AD is not strong or looking for intrusion. You forget eastern Turkey is extremely mountainous which blocks radar and hides objects. A stealth wing fighter can easily get lost in that topography.

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It was filmed today in Lebanon.

And yes you cannot discount the fact that Israeli elements inside Azerbaijan launched the munitions without Azeri knowledge. Same way Israeli elements inside Iran launched the quadcopters. Israeli likely has hundreds of agents inside Azerbaijan secretly working to set up covert elements to assist with attack on Iran.

Iran knows this and has mentioned it as well to Azerbaijan.

If it's the RQ-180 and I pray they decide to send near Iran's borders. It would nice to find what kind of upgrades they've managed to add to the RQ-170.
I wouldn't blame the Aliyev clan just yet, even though they're treacherous thieves. They're not stupid enough to jeopardize their hold on power. Besides, Ilham Aliyev has been relatively well behaved of recent. I haven't heard any more stupid comments coming from his kleptocracy concerning Iran. He seems content that Iran and Russia allowed all of Nagorno-Karabakh to return back to Baku rule.

 

[vmro]

This is a novice statement. Consider the following wartime scenario:

Suppose Russia agrees to arm Iran with $3b worth of defense equipment.

The next day there will be a Zionist diplomat in Moscow with 10 or so Jewish Russian oligarchs saying "we will get the Americans to drop sanctions A, B, C and get them to decrease Ukraine funding if you don't give Iran X, Y, Z"

You think that's not a choice available to Russians?

Azerbaijan and Caucasian region are sensitive for Russia.. long story that could be dangerous for half of Russian land, that's why new Russian national doctrine consider fundamental changes on Caucasus, with Armenia in Russian and Azerbaijan in Iranian sphere of influence....

Your story is now old and unrealistic anymore...

 

[UKBengali]

This is a novice statement. Consider the following wartime scenario:

Suppose Russia agrees to arm Iran with $3b worth of defense equipment.

The next day there will be a Zionist diplomat in Moscow with 10 or so Jewish Russian oligarchs saying "we will get the Americans to drop sanctions A, B, C and get them to decrease Ukraine funding if you don't give Iran X, Y, Z"

You think that's not a choice available to Russians?

Zio-US has declared war on Russia over Ukraine.

The days of deals like this are over.

Russia should never be fully trusted but there are now mutual interests where Russia can supply stuff and intelligence. It is not like Iran has no leverage as it supplied drones and ballistic missiles to Russia. That was not just a cash transaction but something more.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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It was filmed today in Lebanon.

that's not the super duper RA-01

Aeronautics Defense Orbiter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lulldapull]

Ok. But all of that sounds a bit too far fetched. Why can't the F-15s launch longer range missiles instead?

Cuz they get shot down no?