PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[FHN]

I can believe that the J-35 will have an export version with downgraded stealth, radar/avionics and a lower range BVRAAM like PL-15E.

Engine looks like it will be offered with WS-21 or WS-19(will be available maybe from 2030 onwards to export customers as PLAN/PLAAF will have priority).

However it will still trounce any 4+ generation fighter with ease.

India will never get its hands on f-35. Just look at all the preconditions on f-35 acquisition from the Turkish side. J-35 with slightly downgrade engine in ws-21 is still better than whatever India currently have unless paf wants to wait a few more years for ws-19.

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[UKBengali]

India will never get its hands on f-35. Just look at all the preconditions on f-35 acquisition from the Turkish side. J-35 with slightly downgrade engine in ws-21 is still better than whatever India currently have unless paf wants to wait a few more years for ws-19.

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PAF may be one of the few if only airforce that gets exactly the same version as PLAAF.

This is similar to how the US gives both the UK and Zionist entity(?) the same version as it uses.

 

[Dalit]

India will never get its hands on f-35. Just look at all the preconditions on f-35 acquisition from the Turkish side. J-35 with slightly downgrade engine in ws-21 is still better than whatever India currently have unless paf wants to wait a few more years for ws-19.

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A no-brainer. The J-35 will be inducted in sizeable numbers by the PAF.

 

[Dalit]

India will never get its hands on f-35. Just look at all the preconditions on f-35 acquisition from the Turkish side. J-35 with slightly downgrade engine in ws-21 is still better than whatever India currently have unless paf wants to wait a few more years for ws-19.

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American hardware always comes with a zillion conditions. Pakistan is relieved to have China as a supplier.

You cannot comprehend what a curse the Americans have been for Pakistan. Our generals and Air Chief Marshals were always in love with their F-16s. The F-16 syndrome has finally been shattered. An entire universe exists beyond the F-16.

 

[FHN]

A no-brainer. The J-35 will be inducted in sizeable numbers by the PAF.

2-3 squadrons worth of j-35 will do.

 

[UKBengali]

2-3 squadrons worth of j-35 will do.

Unlike some posters I do not think that PAF will buy more than around 40 in total.

Reason is that India is not going to get its hands on UK/Italy/Japan Tempest till late 2030s at the earliest. PAF can rest easy for around 10 years after it inducts the J-35.

This aircraft will likely be superior to J-35 due to newer radar/avionics, more powerful engines etc and so that would be an ideal time for PAF to try to see whether the Chinese 6th generation fighter will be available to it starting 2040.

 

[Dalit]

Unlike some posters I do not think that PAF will buy more than around 40 in total.

Reason is that India is not going to get its hands on UK/Italy/Japan Tempest till late 2030s at the earliest. PAF can rest easy for around 10 years after it inducts the J-35.

This aircraft will likely be superior to J-35 due to newer radar/avionics, more powerful engines etc and so that would be an ideal time for PAF to try to see whether the Chinese 6th generation fighter will be available to it starting 2040.

Pakistan will also induct the KAAN.

 

[UKBengali]

Pakistan will also induct the KAAN.

True but also in small numbers.

Only the Chinese 6th generation fighter will be able to take on the monster that will be Tempest that India will induct maybe in hundreds.

 

[Bilal]

What does super cruising do?
Benefits please - instead of shooting off statements “just because”

Increased time on station, With side benefit of reaching there without the glowing fireball?

 

[Cookie Monster]

The problem of your theory is what if India suddenly signed a contract and caught you off guard, then it would be too late, isn't it?

Then Pakistan can also “suddenly” sign a contract and get J35.
…u know…just like how India got Rafales..and Pakistan countered with J10s.

Anyways…those are what ifs…I don’t really entertain those…I’m more interested in what is.

 

[abcefg]

Since most Kelly it wont be available for export. I‘m pretty sure China won‘t risk loosing one of Pakistan‘s J-35 together with its latest engine somewhere somewhen in India!

So, if Paksitan wants that bird so eagerly, they must accept, that they maybe get it only with the older/weaker engine.

AFIAK WS-21 will serve as stopgap until WS-19 is mature.WS-21 is an upgraded version of WS-13 which in itself is RevEng of RD-33, therefore engine not being exported due to the risk of it loosing is the same keeping the battleship at the dry dock so that it isn't destroyed during a war?

 

[alphapak]

Pakistan will also induct the KAAN.

That will depend on the engines, otherwise it will end
up like the helicopter deal.

 

[Michael]

Pakistan will also induct the KAAN.

IMO.Analyzing the current situation, PAF cannot have KAAN before 2040.I am not fluent in English to describe and analyze the reasons for this conclusion. It is related to the trade war between the United States and China. Including all of India's fighter jet development programs have also been severely affected.
Please note that this conclusion does not refer to Turkey's KAAN research program but to Pakistan's inability to have KAAN before 2040.

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My opinion remains unchanged about when the J35 will arrive in Pakistan:
The timing of its arrival in Pakistan depends on India.

Now an additional article:
Which version of J35 Pakistan will get also depends on India.

 

[Yasser76]

True but also in small numbers.

Only the Chinese 6th generation fighter will be able to take on the monster that will be Tempest that India will induct maybe in hundreds.

Tempest is 10 years away and there is only a small chance India will order it. The word "Monster" doing a lot of heavy lifting here, especially as the whole project could be under thej chopping block with a new UK Government

 

[Deino]

AFIAK WS-21 will serve as stopgap until WS-19 is mature.WS-21 is an upgraded version of WS-13 which in itself is RevEng of RD-33, therefore engine not being exported due to the risk of it loosing is the same keeping the battleship at the dry dock so that it isn't destroyed during a war?

Yes, but we are now almost full circle ... my argument is, China will never export the J-35A with the WS-19 soo - maybe the one with WS-21 sooner - but any such non-sense "we will get it in 2025" and even more "we only except a variant on par or even better than the PLAAF variant" are just BS!