International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS)

[ghazi52]

All These Capabilities and Features Make it Perfect for Border Serveillance and CT Operations to Cut Enemy Communications During IBO etc...

 

[Hmmmm]

Producing a truly advanced version of the JF-17 would be better, and Pakistan's ability to fly itself would prevent Chinese restrictions

Really? Prevent 'Chinese restrictions'?
From where do you think we will be getting engines for PF-X?

Also, Pakistan has an advanced version of the fighters in order to improve the terms of negotiations for the purchase or development of fighters from sources such as Turkey, China or Russia

If we can make advanced version of fighters ourselves, why would we go to Turkey, China or Russia to purchase a similar fighter?

 

[Hmmmm]

To some degree yes but they're using thunder as the base platform instead of reinventing the wheel. A smart approach IMO provided they stay persistent and finances flow.

I don't think they are using the thunder as a base platform. The PAF official mentioned a new plane with a stronger engine and a longer range compared to the thunder.

I could be wrong but the way he phrased it. It seams like a clean sheet design

 

[rumoured maniac]

This is what I am seeing....

 

[Hmmmm]

Seems like PAF and pac has limited themselves in just regional tech development and not international trend
They want something to go head to toe against proposed Tejas MK2
This may solve reginal security needs but our local aerospace industry will be left far behind

Buddy, even if PAF manages to build itself a jet half as capable as being envisioned right now, It would still be a massive leap for Pakistan's defence & aviation industry.

 

[Sami_1]

Really? Prevent 'Chinese restrictions'?
From where do you think we will be getting engines for PF-X?

If we can make advanced version of fighters ourselves, why would we go to Turkey, China or Russia to purchase a similar fighter?

We clarify something very simple
The Swedish JAS-39E/F aircraft are in the same category as the JF-17 aircraft over 15 years. The size of the development on the two aircraft is different. Is China benefiting from raising the level of the JF-17 aircraft, so it loses exports to the J10CE aircraft that it provides to Pakistan? Consequently, the size of the technology supplied to Pakistan by the Chinese side, and even the structure manufactured with less advanced technology, led to a lack of international marketing due to the countries’ lack of conviction in its efficiency in the field of air combat. The empty weight of the aircraft is very high, which led to poor performance, which made the Pakistani side cover the gaps with the J-10CE aircraft, regardless of the fact that the J-10CE aircraft is larger in weight and size. However, Sweden’s reliance on a light fighter shows that the size of the aircraft’s development has an effective role in covering most national demands. This does not mean refusing to buy Chinese fighters, but the percentage of covering national needs is less in the event of a weak technology used in the aircraft, as you can see from the responses of some and the disparagement of the Pakistani development program itself, which shows that countries such as China and Turkey will not welcome Pakistan’s development of an aircraft Local reduces the size of the material gains for any of them or the chances of their fighters entering in large numbers in the Pakistani Air Force. This is the point of view that I present. China has better technology, but it offers Pakistan the least possible. I will give you an example. Pakistan wanted to buy 40 aircraft in the past years of the J-20 model. Of course, China refused. The same thing. China had an early warning aircraft of the KJ-500 model. It offered it the least, the ZDK-03. This was reflected in Pakistan’s move to more Swedish early warning aircraft, the Saab 2000. Things are clear.

 

[Hmmmm]

We clarify something very simple
The Swedish JAS-39E/F aircraft are in the same category as the JF-17 aircraft over 15 years. The size of the development on the two aircraft is different. Is China benefiting from raising the level of the JF-17 aircraft, so it loses exports to the J10CE aircraft that it provides to Pakistan? Consequently, the size of the technology supplied to Pakistan by the Chinese side, and even the structure manufactured with less advanced technology, led to a lack of international marketing due to the countries’ lack of conviction in its efficiency in the field of air combat. The empty weight of the aircraft is very high, which led to poor performance, which made the Pakistani side cover the gaps with the J-10CE aircraft, regardless of the fact that the J-10CE aircraft is larger in weight and size. However, Sweden’s reliance on a light fighter shows that the size of the aircraft’s development has an effective role in covering most national demands. This does not mean refusing to buy Chinese fighters, but the percentage of covering national needs is less in the event of a weak technology used in the aircraft, as you can see from the responses of some and the disparagement of the Pakistani development program itself, which shows that countries such as China and Turkey will not welcome Pakistan’s development of an aircraft Local reduces the size of the material gains for any of them or the chances of their fighters entering in large numbers in the Pakistani Air Force. This is the point of view that I present. China has better technology, but it offers Pakistan the least possible. I will give you an example. Pakistan wanted to buy 40 aircraft in the past years of the J-20 model. Of course, China refused. The same thing. China had an early warning aircraft of the KJ-500 model. It offered it the least, the ZDK-03. This was reflected in Pakistan’s move to more Swedish early warning aircraft, the Saab 2000. Things are clear.

Let me ask you this again, think clearly & then answer:
Where do you think will we be getting the engines for PF-X from?

 

[Qadeer chaudary]

Buddy, even if PAF manages to build itself a jet half as capable as being envisioned right now, It would still be a massive leap for Pakistan's defence & aviation industry.

They are not building any jet
It's just an improvement of jf17 to block 4 just fancy name
Instead of going for new plane that can be developed further to 5 gen like kfx
PAF has taken path of Tejas MK1 a to MK2
Same airframe just better more local systems with vastly better but same class engine

 

[Toxic]

Producing an indigenous AESA for fighters seems to pretty high priority, if we see these projects materialize we should see old thunder versions be upgraded to equip these radars.

 

[Awwad]

Producing an indigenous AESA for fighters seems to pretty high priority, if we see these projects materialize we should see old thunder versions be upgraded to equip these radars.

That's the plan. Its going to happen.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Haider-e-Karrar Unmanned Ground Vehicle (UGV) by National Radio and Telecommunication Corporation (NRTC).

Simply put, its an unmanned, rugged, high mobility combat (tracked) platform which - despite primarily being envisioned for front-line combat it can also perform ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance) roles, a logistical support unit or even providing emergency response.

It's equipped with a ROWS (remotely operated weapons station) that comes with 2 night vision cameras.
A load carrying capacity of 200ks with a towing capacity of 10,000 lbs.
An inbuilt navigation system.
A max speed of 16/kph and a 0 turning radius.
A mission time of 2-3 hours.

NRTC has already produced the first unit, and the UGV should go into serial production soon, especially considering it could be crucial to Pakistan's COIN needs and border policing.

 

[Awwad]

We clarify something very simple
The Swedish JAS-39E/F aircraft are in the same category as the JF-17 aircraft over 15 years. The size of the development on the two aircraft is different. Is China benefiting from raising the level of the JF-17 aircraft, so it loses exports to the J10CE aircraft that it provides to Pakistan? Consequently, the size of the technology supplied to Pakistan by the Chinese side, and even the structure manufactured with less advanced technology, led to a lack of international marketing due to the countries’ lack of conviction in its efficiency in the field of air combat. The empty weight of the aircraft is very high, which led to poor performance, which made the Pakistani side cover the gaps with the J-10CE aircraft, regardless of the fact that the J-10CE aircraft is larger in weight and size. However, Sweden’s reliance on a light fighter shows that the size of the aircraft’s development has an effective role in covering most national demands. This does not mean refusing to buy Chinese fighters, but the percentage of covering national needs is less in the event of a weak technology used in the aircraft, as you can see from the responses of some and the disparagement of the Pakistani development program itself, which shows that countries such as China and Turkey will not welcome Pakistan’s development of an aircraft Local reduces the size of the material gains for any of them or the chances of their fighters entering in large numbers in the Pakistani Air Force. This is the point of view that I present. China has better technology, but it offers Pakistan the least possible. I will give you an example. Pakistan wanted to buy 40 aircraft in the past years of the J-20 model. Of course, China refused. The same thing. China had an early warning aircraft of the KJ-500 model. It offered it the least, the ZDK-03. This was reflected in Pakistan’s move to more Swedish early warning aircraft, the Saab 2000. Things are clear.

Pakistan bought a squadron of J-10Cs only because china put a restriction on sale of PL-15E missile. They made a conditional sale that if you buy J-10C only then we'll sell PL-15Es. That's the only reason for PAF to buy handful of J-10Cs. Its not related with empty weight or performance, JF-17s performance is up to the mark. More than enough to carry mutlirole tasks.

Only because of chinese restrictions, Pakistan has now started its own long range AAM program and PFX program.

 

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[Awwad]

Really? Prevent 'Chinese restrictions'?
From where do you think we will be getting engines for PF-X?

If we can make advanced version of fighters ourselves, why would we go to Turkey, China or Russia to purchase a similar fighter?

China do place restrictions. Sale of PL-15Es was conditional with sale of J-10Cs. China obviously wants its own platform to have clear cut advantage for sales that's why there is still restriction of PL-15e for JF-17s. That's the only reason why we never saw JF-17 with PL-15e and that's why PAF is resorting to its own long range AAMs.

I don't think they are using the thunder as a base platform. The PAF official mentioned a new plane with a stronger engine and a longer range compared to the thunder.

I could be wrong but the way he phrased it. It seams like a clean sheet design

Nopes, PAF itself had revealed it as "JF-17 PFX" in presentations earlier this year. Investing in an another totally new 4.5 gen fighter makes little sense. Main goals are indigenization of avionics, EW and weapon systems. Why not to use the existing base platform and save billions of dollars in R & D, flight controls / systems and everything.

I guess for further discussions on PFX, let's head over to PFX thread.

 

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