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[Shawnee]

what was the distance travelled?

1000 km from shores of Caspian
Shorter than Iranian path

 

[LongLiveIran]

Russian missiles are expensive as a matter of fact. I guess Russian interest in our missile is because of the cost effectiveness of Iranian solutions.

Russia bought Iranian drones along with its production line while Russia had a drone as advanced as Okhotnik. The reason why they opted for Shahed drones was the cost effectiveness of Shahed. Something like Okhotnik can be built in few numbers but you can simply screw Ukraine by thousands of Shaheds and empty their AD systems.

Obviously. But fanboys thought Russia wanted our missiles for its technology. Russia just saw our missiles as a cheap alternative to fill its reservoir as I said.

But even that is under a big question mark now. I mean you can say what you want, but if that is the destruction of our missiles, then even it's cost-effectiveness cannot be taken for granted. We should wait for True Promise III to find out. This time there is no excuse for "we wanted to cause no destruction".

 

[Shawnee]

It may take years to understand this for some people:
Price and production line of what you make can be more important than terminal speed.

Russia has maybe tens of MRBM.
Although there is no comparison between SLV and ICBM when it comes to Russia.

Yet if you think for one second that Russia can make MRBM as fast and inexpensive as Iran, you are years away to learn lessons.

The phases you are in, I have been through during Syrian war. I knew every little street in Halep and Idlib.

If you have not watched Syrian war every day and Yemen war everyday, you will go through pain of learning.

Patience will go a long way
Patience matters even more than intelligence

 

[UKBengali]

It may take years to understand this for some people:
Price and production line of what you make can be more important than terminal speed.

Russia has maybe tens of MRBM.
Although there is no comparison between SLV and ICBM when it comes to Russia.

Yet if you think for one second that Russia can make MRBM as fast and inexpensive as Iran, you are years away to learn lessons.

The phases you are in, I have been through during Syrian war. I knew every little street in Halep and Idlib.

If you have not watched Syrian war every day and Yemen war everyday, you will go through pain of learning.

Patience will go a long way
Patient matters even more than intelligence

Russia fires one 4-5 million dollar missile and people compare this to an Iranian missile that costs 10 times less.

 

[Shawnee]

Russia fires one 4-5 million dollar missile and people compare this to an Iranian missile that costs 10 times less.

Correct

Also we see ADs still struggle at 5 Mach.
For now 17 Mach is overkill, unless warhead is precious.

 

[LongLiveIran]

It may take years to understand this for some people:
Price and production line of what you make can be more important than terminal speed.

Russia has maybe tens of MRBM.
Although there is no comparison between SLV and ICBM when it comes to Russia.

Yet if you think for one second that Russia can make MRBM as fast and inexpensive as Iran, you are years away to learn lessons.

The phases you are in, I have been through during Syrian war. I knew every little street in Halep and Idlib.

If you have not watched Syrian war every day and Yemen war everyday, you will go through pain of learning.

Patience will go a long way
Patient matters even more than intelligence

Yeah. Because Iran's campaign in Syria was such a huge success before Russia entered the war in 2015. If Iran was doing so well in Syria, why did we have to invite Russia there in the first place? Did Syria have an itching to give them their phosphorous resources just because?

Russia fires one 4-5 million dollar missile and people compare this to an Iranian missile that costs 10 times less.

Yeah. X percent less with with Y percent less destruction and Z percent higher interception rate. Unless you have actual figures for X, Y and Z, you cannot tell if Iran's missiles are more cost-effective.

 

[UKBengali]

Yeah. X percent less with with Y percent less destruction and Z percent higher interception rate. Unless you have actual figures for X, Y and Z, you cannot tell if Iran's missiles are more cost-effective.

Entity with US has much better ABM defences than Ukraine.

Best that Ukraine has is Patriot and SAMP-T.

Neither were designed to intercept IRBMs, although they have capability against SRBM and some MRBM.

 

[vmro]

It may take years to understand this for some people:
Price and production line of what you make can be more important than terminal speed.

Russia has maybe tens of MRBM.
Although there is no comparison between SLV and ICBM when it comes to Russia.

Yet if you think for one second that Russia can make MRBM as fast and inexpensive as Iran, you are years away to learn lessons.

The phases you are in, I have been through during Syrian war. I knew every little street in Halep and Idlib.

If you have not watched Syrian war every day and Yemen war everyday, you will go through pain of learning.

Patience will go a long way
Patience matters even more than intelligence

Of course, probably the smartest thing said by Stalin for such issues 'Every quantity has own quality"...Iranian drones also proved that, drones are most useful in suicidal operations, so they should be cheap and effective...

 

[LongLiveIran]

Entity with US has much better ABM defences than Ukraine.

Best that Ukraine has is Patriot and SAMP-T.

Neither were designed to intercept IRBMs, although they have capability against SRBM and some MRBM.

Sure. Call me pessimistic, but I have this super weird idea that intercepting a missile that travels at Mach 10 is much harder than a missile traveling at Mach 5. I don't know how I have reached this weird, super irrational idea though.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Like I say we do not know what Iran’s exact targets were.

I have counted runways as targets and so if that is the case my analysis holds that at least some missiles had 10-30m CEP. Statistically that is the only possibility.

There are too many unknowns for anyone to make definite conclusions about accuracy of latest (<5years) Iranian missiles.

even if every runway hit was a target precisely hit, and we ignore the negligible impact of those hits, I don't see more than 5-10 'precise' impacts out of 40-50 impacts and 200 missiles fired

besides the question of accuracy is the question of impact. only two hits had any meaningful impact. one damaging the hangars in Nevatim and one possibly destroying a building in Tel Nof. is that a good return for 200 missiles fired and the material damage suffered (and lives lost) in Israel's response?

 

[Persian Gulf]

What do you really expect man? Iranian missiles perform better than Russian missiles? Instead of leaving non sensical posts and comparing successor of Soviet union with Iran, you could assess this event Professionally. It is only 30 years that Iran has been active in this area of military technology.

nobody expects that

but we expect CEP better than 100m after grand claims from IRGC and IRI over last 10 years

assessing it professionally shows accuracy and impact of Iranian MBRMs needs serious improvement (in GNSS denied environments)

IRGC knows this. hence prioritisation of GNSS project.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Incorrect! I saw more.

show us the evidence of the direct impacts on buildings you claim to have seen

I won't hold my breath

 

[LongLiveIran]

even if every runway hit was a target precisely hit, and we ignore the negligible impact of those hits, I don't see more than 5-10 'precise' impacts out of 40-50 impacts and 200 missiles fired

besides the question of impact is the question of impact. only two hits had any meaningful impact. one damaging the hangars in Nevatim and one possibly destroying a building in Tel Nof. is that a good return for 200 missiles fired and the material damage suffered (and lives lost) in Israel's response?

My only hope is that we did more damage in Tel Nof and that's why they didn't release satellite photos from that airbase. But I won't hold my breath for that either.

 

[Persian Gulf]

My only hope is that we did more damage in Tel Nof and that's why they didn't release satellite photos from that airbase. But I won't hold my breath for that either.

the video definitely showed something that looked like secondaries and we didn't get any satellite imagery from Tel Nof for a long time, and even when we did it was low resolution

so we definitely hit something good there, that's the one destroyed building I reference

Israel is clearly keen to limit publication of the damages it suffered and Iran doesn't publish satellite imagery, so we can only assess what the West wants us to see

 

[lightning f57]

My only hope is that we did more damage in Tel Nof and that's why they didn't release satellite photos from that airbase. But I won't hold my breath for that either.

I also think this is a strong reason to keep a back up plan in the form of SU35s, with long range attack munitions.