Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

[hussain0216]

I've explained this before a million times, and the US has experienced this itself in multiple wars. Groups like Hezbullah don't give a shit about losing their leadership, because the way their command structure is built, leaders can be easily replaced.

Hezbullah's almost entire top leadership has already been replaced.

In Afghanistan and Iraq, the US killed off the leaders of the Taliban and Iraqi resistance every other week, only for them to be replaced.

The US killed the taliban's top 3 leaders during the war, it's changed nothing.

Israel didn't win this. The ceasefire is a victory for Hezbullah, because Israel gained nothing.

Israel achieved none of its strategic goals.

Israel achieved none of its tactical goals.

Israel failed to capture and hold on to a single village.

Israel failed to wipe out Hezbullah.

Israel changed its goal to disarm Hezbullaj and failed to achieve that.

This ceasefire doesn't even give Israel the right to attack Hezbullah or it's Syrian supply route in a preemptive way, which was the main thing Israel wanted. It's not even clear what Israel even got from this ceasefire that isn't humiliating for them.

In every aspect, this was a decisive failure on Israel's part.

All Hezbullah had to do was keep the Israel invasion at the border, and survive.

Hezbullah stopped Israel's invasion at the border with what apparently ended up being only a 1/5th of its total manpower.

Hezbullah survived.

Hezbullah continues to retain its military capability on a decent scale.

Hezbullah's influence has increased across the region as a result of its successes against Israel, as it ended up showing Israel is nothing more than a paper tiger.

While i do think Hezbullah had major tactical failures, this was a clear cut strategic victory for Hezbullah.

You can't compare a STATE to a irregular militia

If you said USA and Al Qaeda were in a war and after months of a LAND WAR, a ceasefire had been agreed

You would say wait a minute a STATE has just agreed to a ceasefire with a militia after months of fighting and it was completely stuck on the battlefield and it's only success came dropping bombs on cities and areas without any air defences


Hezbollah has been exceptional,
The pressure on Israel to protect the Lebanese population from random Israeli bombs however was great

 

[Garcia Sea]

There were only two approaches.

1) Go all out when the Gaza conflict started and infiltrate Northern Israel and the Golan Heights and cause mass casualties to Israelis. Let it blow into a full-blown war. (I think this would have added more pressure on Israel's side to cede some terms to the groups).

2) Stay out of it altogether.

They, playing the middle road, got their heads lobbed off between its shoulders. With top leadership dead, infiltration within the group (beeper attack and all), and destroyed military hardware, it has set them back.

As for the Lebanese Army, a round of applause, the only army to sit on its ass while its territory is bombed, every one of them should be lined up and shot dead.

This opinion is very true.
Fight-or-flight, this is a basic principle in all living things.
There are countless cases in history where a half-hearted attitude of either-or has led to the worst possible outcome.
If I may venture to say so, it would have been better to have surrendered to Israel from the beginning, as the Arab countries did, rather than to have taken an indecisive attitude like that of Hezbollah this time.
As a result of the half-hearted response, we ended up not helping Gaza, Hezbollah's leadership was wiped out, and thousands of Lebanese were killed.
The Arab countries understand this and will submit.
The West also understands this, so when they fight, they fight until they destroy the other country thoroughly.
Unfortunately, the leaders of Iran and Hezbollah are too idealistic and insensitive to the cruel rules of reality.

 

[PakFactor]

This opinion is very true.
Fight-or-flight, this is a basic principle in all living things.
There are countless cases in history where a half-hearted attitude of either-or has led to the worst possible outcome.
If I may venture to say so, it would have been better to have surrendered to Israel from the beginning, as the Arab countries did, rather than to have taken an indecisive attitude like that of Hezbollah this time.
As a result of the half-hearted response, we ended up not helping Gaza, Hezbollah's leadership was wiped out, and thousands of Lebanese were killed.
The Arab countries understand this and will submit.
The West also understands this, so when they fight, they fight until they destroy the other country thoroughly.
Unfortunately, the leaders of Iran and Hezbollah are too idealistic and insensitive to the cruel rules of reality.

Agree. In addition, this conflict made the Islamic World underbelly exposed due to their inaction. The West and Israel always feared the “what if” if they went to extremes, and as Israel has shown, nothing will happen. I'll say this: the Middle East and North Africa should buckle up as the next decades will show today's inaction will cost them everything down the road.

 

[Shawnee]

The activities inside Syria is not being broadcasted.
About two days prior to the peace deal, Syrian rebels of Sultan Murad attacked Hizbullah, and Assad forces.

They have captured 9 villages as we talk.
I do not want to post their news here.

They will try to sandwich Syria with the help of Israel and US militia in DZ.

This war is so not over.
I also posted this in Gaza war.
A new war thread will be opened soon.

 

[muhammed45]

truce is 60 days long.

enough to wait for the next Trump administration.

just a coincidence or not.

None of American terrorists has helped Israelis like Biden.

 

[Shawnee]

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ISIS like groups taking positions from HZ-Syria

This started two days prior to the peace deal not today

 

[Shawnee]

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ISIS like groups taking positions from HZ-Syria

This started two days prior to the peace deal not today

These groups are actually Muslim brotherhood not ISIS.
They never showed up to help Muslim brotherhood Hamas but attacked HZ positions two days prior to the peace deal.

 

[muhammed45]

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ISIS like groups taking positions from HZ-Syria

This started two days prior to the peace deal not today

As it seems Assad took the threat lightly. Turkey, Israel and USA are up to something in Syria. Russian strategy is regular, as a matter of fact we cannot pursue that kind of an strategy that requires huge firepower and air/naval superiority in this region.

In this case Syria doesn't have Hezbollah actively present on its territories.

Lets see what NATO does under American supervision.

 

[Shawnee]

As it seems Assad took the threat lightly. Turkey, Israel and USA are up to something in Syria. Russian strategy is regular, as a matter of fact we cannot pursue that kind of an strategy that requires huge firepower and air/naval superiority in this region.

In this case Syria doesn't have Hezbollah actively present on its territories.

Lets see what NATO does under American supervision.

He actually was seeing it coming.

What bothers me is Muslim brotherhood is in alliance with Israel against Hamas (Muslim brotherhood)

 

[muhammed45]

He actually was seeing it coming.

What bothers me is Muslim brotherhood is in alliance with Israel against Hamas (Muslim brotherhood)

Muslim Brotherhood is not one united front. They are divided.

Your sentence is right about a fraction of them that are armed by NATO and Turkey.

The major problem is Kurdish groups.

 

[Unknowntruth]

It is a 60 days truce with USA's rabid dog. We will not leave Gaza alone. Who knows, maybe after the upcoming TP-3, an other front be opened against US dog.

The issue is giving time for Israel to restock Iron dome missiles, other weapons, and reorganize. What benefit would you get from letting them replenish?

 

[925boy]

Your words define exactly who you are

so thanks for confirming then that you've never cared about or been responsible enough as a Muslim towards Gaza and Lebanese people while Israel was genociding them. why you pop up on this thread again to spew rubbish as usual?

 

[925boy]

Netanyahu: We will maintain our full military freedom in Lebanon if Hezbollah moves against us

Israel never had full military freedom in Lebanon since Oct. 7.

Netanyahu: We set Hezbollah back years and killed Nasrallah, who was the “axis of the axis.”

And Hezbollah set Israel back several years- is that why Israel has to pause fighting Hezbollah so it can "restock its weapons and rest its troops" after Hezbollah drained the IDF to a point it is indirectly admitting its unequipped to fight Iran?

Netanyahu: We are committed to completing the destruction of Hamas’ capabilities

Because Israel has yet to destroy Hamas.

Netanyahu: Assad must know that he is playing with fire

Because Israel is still unable to take out Assad despite Syria being weakened.

Netanyahu: We destroyed Hezbollah's capabilities to produce missiles

Because Hezbollah rockets and drones kept firing into Israel, DOING A TON of damage to Israel's economy, military and infrastructure.

Netanyahu: We will respond to every penetration by Hezbollah forcefully

Because IDF failed to do this over the past 2 months while fighting Hezbollah on the ground.

These comments by Netanyahu are more a bluff, to save the ISraeli govt's face in front of its public- because it knows it has taken a lot of damage, not achieved much, and lied about it and spent resources it will need years to get back (but Ukraine wont get back its "resources" it spent fighting Russia).

 

[925boy]

I really hope this is not the way it is as it is a total capitulation to Zio-US demands.

me too.

In essence Lebanon will become another Zio-US vassal in due course.

No, dont come to conclusions like this just because a ceasefire was signed.

Entity will soon go in for the kill to make sure that Hezbollah never becomes a threat again.

No, because it can't - it already went for the kill in the past 60 days with taking our Nasrallah and Hezbollah leadership, with the mass pager terrorism attacks, with the widespread bombings of Beirut and south Lebanon, and it still failed- Hezbollah missile silos still work and are open for business and Israeli troops couldn't take any relevant town or territory in south Lebanon.

IDF actually left more and worse trophies for Lebanese in south Lebanon this time.

For Israel to even agree to a ceasefire with Hezbollah after Hezbollah attacked it first(after Oct.7) and Israel vowed (and attempted via military actions) to eradicate Hezbollah, is a failure on Israel's part. War and its settlement still setup realities, conditions and terms for the future that agreements and cheap words can't override or hide

Israel has used "diplomacy" to silence Hezbollah's missiles (which Hezbollah and IRGC started restocking 1 minute after the ceasefire went into place), but Yemeni Houthis and Iraqi resistance are still active in supporting the Gaza front.

 

[Shawnee]

There are truth and misconceptions about HZ gains and losses:

- HZ lost through security cracks leading to Dahieh terrors and pager attacks. This is the biggest hit.

- Hz did not balance the fire power.

Victories:
-HZ did excellent on the ground without even winter coming.

- HZ showed their missile stock is maintained well.

- HZ absorbed the great pager attack followed by leader attacks. This is huge. Many countries cannot absorb this. This could cripple superpowers.

-HZ was not surprised by the new front in north and east of Syria by Turkish and U.S. militia.