Protesters Regret 'From the River to the Sea' Chant Upon Learning Meaning

[vsdoc]

With respect, religion should not entitle anyone to own a piece of land, or in Israels case; rule over an entire country with apartheid and commit genocide on the local population.

Agreed.

Religion should not be imposed on a land and its people either.

With respect.

Cheers, Doc

 

[mangekyo]

Agreed.

Religion should not be imposed on a land and its people either.

With respect.

Cheers, Doc

It should not, as there is no compulsion in religion.

 

[Cryptonian]

Protesters Regret 'From the River to the Sea' Chant Upon Learning Meaning​

"From the river to the sea" is a battle cry chanted by pro-Palestinian groups across college campuses and major cities.
The phrase, which refers to the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, is often seen by pro-Palestinian voices as a call for dignity and freedom. The call for action looks to restore Palestinians' land and political rights. However, to Israel and its supporters, it takes on a different meaning, often seen as a call to exterminate Israel as a Jewish state and the millions of Jewish people living in it.

A new survey found many potential protesters couldn't explain the meaning behind the controversial phrase. UC Berkeley professor Ron Hassner hired a survey firm to poll 250 college students from across the country, and a majority, or roughly 86 percent, said they supported the phrase, a common protest chant to express support for Palestinians in the ongoing conflict against Israel.
Still, only 47 percent could name the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, which historically encompassed Palestine and today includes both Israel and Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.

Pro-Palestinian demonstrators close down the Brooklyn Bridge on Monday morning in New York City. The divisive phrase "from the river to the sea" is often chanted by pro-Palestinian groups as a call for equality, but Israelis and their supporters hear it as a push for Israel's demise. A new survey found many potential protesters couldn't explain the battle cry's meaning.SPENCER PLATT/GETTY IMAGES
And even more surprising, once students learned more about the region, 67.8 percent of those surveyed no longer agreed with the sentiment.

Israel and Hamas have been in a violent conflict since October 7, 2023, when the Palestinian militant group launched a surprise attack on Israel, killing roughly 1,200 people, according to the Associated Press, while subsequent Israeli military strikes in Gaza have led to the deaths of at least 20,000 people.
In response, many groups have demonstrated while chanting "from the river to the sea." According to the survey, many students believed the sentiment was expressing support for the idea of Palestinians and Israel living peacefully side by side.

Even among students who said the chant called for Palestinians to force Israel out of Gaza and agreed with it, 60 percent changed their minds when learning it would cause 7 million Jewish and 2 million Arab Israelis "subjugation, expulsion or annihilation," Hassner said.
"There's no shame in being ignorant, unless one is screaming for the extermination of millions," Hassner wrote in a Wall Street Journal piece describing his study.
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"An art student from a liberal arts college in New England 'probably' supported the slogan because 'Palestinians and Israelis should live together in one state,'" Hassner said in the article. "But when informed of recent polls in which most Palestinians and Israelis rejected the one-state solution, this student lost his enthusiasm. So did 41% of students in that group."

So why are so many students supporting a stance on an issue they know little about, or even going to protest on campus or in city streets?
Psychologist Thomas Plant said that for many, being a part of a cause or group is about developing an identity.
"In our current age of social media, people think about issues in terms of tweets or bumper sticker slogans," Plant told Newsweek. "Like so many other issues of the day, the Middle East conflict is extremely complicated at so many levels. People don't necessarily have the time or interest to educate themselves about these complexities, preferring to stick with slogans and feel the support of a group that helps to create community and an identity."

According to Adam Swart, CEO and founder of Crowds on Demand, a firm that helps organizations advocate for important causes and settle disputes, protest organizers have been linking their events to broader movements like "Black Lives Matter" through a shared narrative of struggle and solidarity.
Succinct slogans, like "from the river to the sea" or "defund the police" often demand others' attention, and they are especially popular to younger audiences like college students.
"In a digital age marked by extensive social media engagement, many individuals feel a sense of urgency to participate in these discussions," Swart told Newsweek. "This phenomenon is partly driven by FOMO [fear of missing out], a prevailing belief in some groups that remaining silent on these issues could be interpreted as complicity."

There's also a desire by many people, especially students, to be involved in the "hot" social media issue of the day and "not so much due to a true genuine desire to either make a difference or have a positive, meaningful impact made," William Hall, political science professor at Webster University, told Newsweek.
Hall said that historically, protesters devote the time to become informed about the key issues and stances they represent. But more modern-day protests, including those over the Middle East conflict, mark a deviation from the historical norm that might be amplified by today's social media.

Enduring Ignorance of Middle Eastern Conflict​

Ignorance around the Middle East has been present in the United States for a long time, according to Joseph Richard Guthein, a Texas-based attorney at Gutheinz Law Firm.

Around 45 years ago, Guthein was earning his Ph.D. in sociology at the University of California, Davis, and he got to observe a group of students demonstrating in favor of Palestinians against Israel.
"When I interviewed those college students, I was floored by the large number of students I interviewed that had no idea what countries bordered Israel or any basic facts about the history of Israel or Palestine," Guthein told Newsweek.
He added students knew very little about any terrorist attacks against Israel, including the Munich Olympics massacre that ended in the murders of 11 Israeli Olympic team athletes.

"When I offered examples of savage terrorist attacks against Jewish people, the students either didn't care or didn't believe it," Guthein said.
Still, Guthein has noted a stark difference in pro-Palestinian protesters today.
"The biggest change I have seen over 40 years is now many demonstrators know of the atrocities and are glad they happened," Guthein said.

Protesters regret "from the river to the sea" chant upon learning meaning

A new survey found many students couldn't explain the meaning of the pro-Palestinian rallying cry.

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Keep up your good work. Jews deserve their place in the Arab land.
not just from Europe but Hundreds of thousands of jews vacated Arab countries to settle in Israel.

Your post has exposed hypocrisy of Pakistanis very well in the open. They deny Israel's existance, they repeat about " border drawn by Britishers" like a troglodyte, meanwhile they are hogging the Afghan land thanks to a border(Durand line) drawn by their British overlords.

 

[vsdoc]

It should not, as there is no compulsion in religion.

But it happened. With great genocides in the name of religion.

If people who suffered are now in a position of power, the least you can expect from them is to ruthlessly destroy any threat that can again harm their people.

Should they go about genociding on their own in retribution?

No.

But the right of self defence with the use of overwhelming force is the right of all people. And no one can dictate to them what they should see as a legitimate threat and the degree of force they should use to secure themselves.

If I was a Jew, and I had a small nation state surrounded by enemies on all sides, a state I had reclaimed after thousands of years, I would not stop till the enemy was destroyed this time.

And I believe Israel will go nuclear if pushed this time. They will not stop.

Just as Russia will not.

Cheers, Doc

 

[mangekyo]

But it happened. With great genocides in the name of religion.

If people who suffered are now in a position of power, the least you can expect from them is to ruthlessly destroy any threat that can again harm their people.

Should they go about genociding on their own in retribution?

No.

But the right of self defence with the use of overwhelming force is the right of all people. And no one can dictate to them what they should see as a legitimate threat and the degree of force they should use to secure themselves.

If I was a Jew, and I had a small nation state surrounded by enemies on all sides, a state I had reclaimed after thousands of years, I would not stop till the enemy was destroyed this time.

And I believe Israel will go nuclear if pushed this time. They will not stop.

Just as Russia will not.

Cheers, Doc

They cannot claim ownership of something that was never theirs. The Jews who moved to Israel post-1948 are of European descent. Their roots are in Europe, not the Middle East. Considering India as a Hindu nation, would it be justifiable for European converts to Hinduism to lay claim to India and create an apartheid state that benefits European Hindus, engage in acts of violence against local Indians, evict them from their homes, and then confine them to a densely populated, heavily restricted zone where they regulate every single thing entering and leaving? According to your line of reasoning, such actions would be permissible and, though they are clearly not. An aggressor cannot claim self-defense when the other side is protecting itself.

Like I said, religion does not entitle you to ownership of a land. As a matter of fact, Palestine wasn't even a Jewish state pre-1948, nor was the land ever governed by European Jews.

 

[vsdoc]

They cannot claim ownership of something that was never theirs. The Jews who moved to Israel post-1948 are of European descent. Their roots are in Europe, not the Middle East. Considering India as a Hindu nation, would it be justifiable for European converts to Hinduism to lay claim to India and create an apartheid state that benefits European Hindus, engage in acts of violence against local Indians, evict them from their homes, and then confine them to a densely populated, heavily restricted zone where they regulate every single thing entering and leaving? According to your line of reasoning, such actions would be permissible and, though they are clearly not. An aggressor cannot claim self-defense when the other side is protecting itself.

Like I said, religion does not entitle you to ownership of a land. As a matter of fact, Palestine wasn't even a Jewish state pre-1948, nor was the land ever governed by European Jews.

Disagree.

This is not my belief system. It might be yours and of other Muslims and Christians.

Not of Hindus, Jews and Zoroastrians.

And Ashkenazis are birthed of Jewess mothers and European fathers. They have direct ancestral blood ties to the land.

Blood

Faith

Soil

Cheers, Doc

 

[Separ610]

And Judaism is the original ancestral faith of the land. There is no way around that fact and the wars that were fought since then over thousands of years.

It's not about faith but who lived in those lands ethnically, and Arabs have been in that region longer than Hebrews. Go look up Nabatean Arabs.

 

[Separ610]

No-one cares.

The guy you are talking to is a Parsi, most probably ethnically similar to you only, because they don't marry much outside. His ancestors were displaced from Persian land because they did not convert to Islam. So preach your mulla- ummah sob story somewhere else.

We know it's not about "ethnicity ".

It's about ethnicity when it suits you but then it's not about ethnicity when the facts come your way.

If you don't care then we dont want to hear about "Jews been there lOnGeR" BS anymore otherwise the facts will come out again. I've reported your racism.

 

[mangekyo]

Disagree.

This is not my belief system. It might be yours and of other Muslims and Christians.

Not of Hindus, Jews and Zoroastrians.

Wether its your belief system or not, since you are sympathetic and support the European Jews who engage in these crimes, you should feel the same towards anyone who intents to do the same to you and your people, if not, then you have double standards.

And Ashkenazis are birthed of Jewess mothers and European fathers. They have direct ancestral blood ties to the land.

So having one female paternal ancestor gives you the right to own a land? By your logic, if I find out I have an Indian great grandmother, you should bequeath me all your property and assets. If not, you are a hypocrite.

Blood

Faith

Soil

This isn't an episode of Game of Thrones. This is the real world, and real fathers, mothers, daughters and sons are being massacred every single day because of people who have the same views as you.

 

[UKBengali]

Your post has exposed hypocrisy of Pakistanis very well in the open. They deny Israel's existance, they repeat about " border drawn by Britishers" like a troglodyte, meanwhile they are hogging the Afghan land thanks to a border(Durand line) drawn by their British overlords.

Total failure of logic.

Have the locals been displaced from these lands to make way for say people from other parts of Pakistan like what happened in Palestine?

 

[Cryptonian]

Total failure of logic.

Have the locals been displaced from these lands to make way for say people from other parts of Pakistan like what happened in Palestine?

No failure in logic. You are bring in your imaginary clause of "displacement". Can ethnic Pashtuns from both side move across the border freely ?

 

[UKBengali]

No failure in logic. You are bring in your imaginary clause of "displacement". Can ethnic Pashtuns from both side move across the border freely ?

Dude, you really need to think a bit more before replying.

There is no colonial settler state in action as to what happened on the Afghan and Pakistan border. There are other similar occurences in the sub-continent and it is all part of the legacy of colonialism.

UK ultimately drew up the borders and no-one has been displaced from their land and not given full citizenship rights under the new state they found themselves in unlike what happened in Palestine.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Hamas is a product of its environment. When you see your children, women and old people humiliated, jailed and even killed on a regular basis, it creates a certain reaction.

It is unfair for the rest of us to judge how people should respond in such a situation.

Hamas was created by Israel to finish off the honourable PLO and now their own monster is attacking them.

 

[Cryptonian]

Dude, you really need to think a bit more before replying.

There is no colonial settler state in action as to what happened on the Afghan and Pakistan border. There are other similar occurences in the sub-continent and it is all part of the legacy of colonialism.

UK ultimately drew up the borders and no-one has been displaced from their land and not given full citizenship rights under the new state they found themselves in unlike what happened in Palestine.

Israel gives equal rights to Arab muslim citizen living in it's territory. And it's even willing for two state solution, but guess who is not ready

 

[UKBengali]

Israel gives equal rights to Arab muslim citizen living in it's territory. And it's even willing for two state solution, but guess who is not ready

Even that is a fail as they cannot marry a Palestinian that is not a "citizen" of that entity and bring them into the entity.

My suggestion is to read more and write less, as you clearly need to learn some of the core basics before forming informed opinions on the matter.