US will run out of missiles in war with China, lose the conflict, warns Congressional wargame

[Beijingwalker]

US will run out of missiles in war with China, lose the conflict, warns Congressional wargame​

FP Staff • December 6, 2024, 16:00:12 IST

Congress members and private experts have flagged that the United States would run out of weapons in case of a full-scale armed conflict with China​

A missile is launched from a United States military HIMARS system during joint military drills at a firing range in northern Australia as part of Exercise Talisman Sabre on July 22, 2023. (Representative Photo, Credit: AFP)

The United States would lose a war with China after running out of missiles within days, according to a simulation organised by Congress.

In the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party simulation of a US-China armed conflict on Thursday (December 5), members of Congress as well as private experts flagged the inefficiency of the US defence industry in supplying the US military needs appropriately and the inability of the United States to win a war the conflict.

The warnings come at a time when China is ramping up aggression around Taiwan and other US partners in the Indo-Pacific region. Any armed conflict in the region is bound of rope in the United States as most of the nations in the region are US allies and partners — including the self-governing island of Taiwan.

We can’t win fight with China, warns top Congress member​

John Moolenaar, who heads the House CCP committee, warned that the United States was not in a position to win a fight with China.

“Our defence industrial base lacks the capacity to deter and win a fight with the PRC,” said Moolenaar, referring to China by the formal name of People’s Republic of China (PRC), according to Washington Times.

Moolenaar, a Republican from Michigan, further said that US defence firms cannot innovate rapidly and supply chains for key defence components are vulnerable to China’s coercion and manipulation, as per the newspaper.

Echoing Moolenaar, Democratic Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, the Ranking Member of the House CCP committee, said that the simulation revealed significant gaps in US defence production capacity and flagged the reliance of US defence industry on minerals supplied by China.

“History tells us we need a healthy defense industrial base now to deter aggression and make sure the world’s dictators think again before dragging the US and the world into yet another disastrous conflict,” said Krishnamoorthi.

US will run out of missiles in a week in war with China, flags expert​

Christian Brose, the Chief Strategy Officer at the arms maker Anduril Industries, told the committee that simulations show that the US military will run out of weapons in less than a week of war with China, according to Washington Times.

Brose went on to flag that the US aid to Ukraine meant that nearly a decade’s worth of US tactical weapons have been given to Ukraine.

“America and our allies increasingly lack the industrial capacity to deter —and, if necessary, fight and win— a great power conflict,” said Brose.

Brose’s comments echoed that of US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, who said on Wednesday (December 4) that the US weapons would exhaust “very rapidly” in case of a full-scale war with China.

“God forbid we end up in a full-scale war with the PRC. But any war with a country like the PRC, a military like the PRC, is going to involve the exhaustion of munition stockpiles very rapidly,” said Sullivan at an event hosted by Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

 

[AViet]

In 1972 December, the US air force had to stop bombing North Vietnam because of the main reason, which was if they keep losing B52 at this rate, the US would lose all of its B52 within 4 months, while North Vietnam still had enough missiles.

 

[UKBengali]

The idea that US can now fight China in E Asia is totally absurd.

Chinese missiles will “sanitise” an arc of all hostile surface forces extending at least 1000km from the Chinese coastline within 48 hours of the start of hostilities.

The time has come to lay this scenario to bed as China is far too powerful now in East Asia. This is not 2015 anymore when the US had technological superiority over PLAAF and PLAN.

 

[tower9]

The idea that US can now fight China in E Asia is totally absurd.

Chinese missiles will “sanitise” an arc of all hostile surface forces extending at least 1000km from the Chinese coastline within 48 hours of the start of hostilities.

The time has come to lay this scenario to bed as China is far too powerful now in East Asia. This is not 2015 anymore when the US had technological superiority over PLAAF and PLAN.

The US couldn’t even beat China in 2015. Now it’s just a foregun conclusion. It’s insane there are still people that think this is a possibility, they must imagine a China that’s still filled with peasants riding bikes. China now has the worlds largest arsenal of the most advanced hypersonic missiles, literal robot wolves and the worlds biggest navy on top of 70% of all shipbuilding capacity, 90% of all drone capacity and command the cutting edge in telecommunications and drone research.

People need to live in the real world.

 

[Beijingwalker]

But US can "sanction" China


Trump says would impose tariffs if China invades Taiwan
Kanishka Singh - Reuters
Sat, 19 October 2024 at 8:10 am GMT+8

US presidential candidate Donald Trump says he would impose additional tariffs on China if it were to "go into Taiwan", the Wall Street Journal reports.

"I would say: If you go into Taiwan, I'm sorry to do this, I'm going to tax you, at 150 per cent to 200 per cent," the former US president was quoted as saying in an interview with the newspaper.

Trump, asked if he would use military force against a blockade on Taiwan by China, said it would not come to that because Chinese President Xi Jinping respected him.

"I had a very strong relationship with him," Trump said. "I wouldn't have to (use military force), because he respects me and he knows I'm f***ing crazy," he said in the interview.

China claims democratically governed Taiwan as its own territory and has never renounced the use of force to bring the island under its control. Taiwan strongly objects to China's sovereignty claims.

Trump, as part of his pitch to voters in the knife-edge November 5 election in which he faces Vice President Kamala Harris, has floated plans for blanket tariffs of 10 per cent to 20 per cent on virtually all imports as well as tariffs of 60 per cent or more on goods from China, in measures he says would boost US manufacturing.

During his term as president from early 2017 to early 2021, Trump's aggressive approach toward China was underscored by waves of tariffs that plunged the two countries into a trade war that moved markets worldwide.

In the interview with the Wall Street Journal, Trump also spoke about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, repeating his claim that if he were still in office Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have launched the invasion.

"I said to Putin, 'Vladimir, we have a great relationship. ... Vladimir, if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard, you're not even going to believe it. I'm going to hit you right in the middle of fricking Moscow'," Trump was quoted as saying when talking about a past interaction with Putin.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-says-impose-tariffs-china-001042109.html

 

[UKBengali]

The US couldn’t even beat China in 2015. Now it’s just a foregun conclusion. It’s insane there are still people that think this is a possibility, they must imagine a China that’s still filled with peasants riding bikes. China now has the worlds largest arsenal of the most advanced hypersonic missiles, literal robot wolves and the worlds biggest navy on top of 70% of all shipbuilding capacity, 90% of all drone capacity and command the cutting edge in telecommunications and drone research.

People need to live in the real world.

In 2015 China would have sustained a lot of damage from
US forces and it may have ended up that no one really won.

Now we are almost in 2025 and China is militarily dominant in East Asia against any conceivable coalition.

US military knows that it will lose and very badly but they won’t say it publicly for US “stronk” reasons.

 

[Pingle]

In 2015 China would have sustained a lot of damage from
US forces and it may have ended up that no one really won.

Now we are almost in 2025 and China is militarily dominant in East Asia against any conceivable coalition.

US military knows that it will lose and very badly but they won’t say it publicly for US “stronk” reasons.

At least this type of post was not expected from you brother.....

You have always been neutral and unbiased but when it comes to China you blindly support them as if you are a Chinese..... tell me or show me one single example of China winning a modern warfare that involves naval and ariel power.... I'm not interested in the examples of their foot soldiers victories till 80s....

Neither they are battle hardened nor they have any modern battle experience and top of it world is yet to witness anything substantial about their weapons...... don't understand why on PDF they are the best....

 

[Beijingwalker]

At least this type of post was not expected from you brother.....

You have always been neutral and unbiased but when it comes to China you blindly support them as if you are a Chinese..... tell me or show me one single example of China winning a modern warfare that involves naval and ariel power.... I'm not interested in the examples of their foot soldiers victories till 80s....

Neither they are battle hardened nor they have any modern battle experience and top of it world is yet to witness anything substantial about their weapons...... don't understand why on PDF they are the best....

On the morning of 20 January, troops from the first flotilla captured Robert Island in about ten minutes. Shortly after, the second flotilla attacked Pattle Island; 30 South Vietnamese troops, including an RVN army major, and a United States (US) liaison officer were captured. Money Island was abandoned by RVN commandos and captured without fighting.

China had secured local superiority, especially with the arrival of the PLAN's Type 01 frigates. The United States refused South Vietnam's requests for assistance.

Battle of the Paracel Islands - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Beijingwalker]

And only fools believe past glory also means future victory, countries rise and fall over time, your western masters also follow this pattern.

 

[MastanKhan]

In 1972 December, the US air force had to stop bombing North Vietnam because of the main reason, which was if they keep losing B52 at this rate, the US would lose all of its B52 within 4 months, while North Vietnam still had enough missiles.

Hi,

That was from the initial days of bombings---. The americans changed the tactics and strategy and brought down the losses. Realistically---the Viets felt the might of the US air power for the first time in reality thru all that conflict---.

After the first 24 hours---they began to understand the true might of the american behemoth---. After 72 hours---the viets were BEGGING the americans to stop---.

In 24 hours of the start of the operation linebacker 2----they were desperately trying to make the US come back to the peace table---.

Most readers don't understand that by the time the US will run out of ammo---the other nation's industrial complex will be in cinders---.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Most readers don't understand that by the time the US will run out of ammo---the other nation's industrial complex will be in cinder blocks---.

Maybe in the past , but not now with this pathetic industrial capability and capacty, US worshippers just don't live with the times.

 

[MastanKhan]

Maybe in the past , but not now with this pathetic industrial capability and capacty, US worshippers just don't live with the times.

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Hi,

With great respect to chinese members---in a war---the US will annihilate the oppositions industrial complex---.

I have written before many a times---a $500000 bomb will do a miniscule damage to a $10 hut in afghanistan---.

But the same bomb will destroy a $50 million dollar factory in a high tech country in a heart beat---.

A nation---that cannot reach US mainland with its weapons---can scrape the skin off the americans and nothing more---.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Hi,

With great respect to chinese members---in a war---the US will annihilate the oppositions industrial complex---.

I have written before many a times---a $500000 bomb will do a miniscule damage to a $10 hut in afghanistan---.

But the same bomb will destroy a $50 million dollar factory in a high tech country in a heart beat---.

A nation---that cannot reach US mainland with its weapons---can scrape the skin off the americans and nothing more---.

Chinese army fought US twice in the past 70 years in Korea and Vietnam, and our industrial complexes are still here and get stronger each passing year.

 

[Pingle]

@Beijingwalker
I don't want to degrade China achievements infont of USA but let's wait..... it's too early to assume by such small things you are comparable to USA......

 

[MastanKhan]

Chinese army fought US twice in the past 70 years in Korea and Vietnam, and our industrial complexes are still here and get stronger each passing year.

hi,

chinese fought past wars with usa against other soldiers---.

this time their soldiers will fight against monster who will show no mercy---.

understand---the modern usa soldier is trained full of contempt for any other nationality---.

This american army is the Hulugu Khans mongol army which loves to murder---destroy---decimate one and all without conscience and in the name of righteous religion---.

And to top it off---it has the energy---training---it has the resource---it has monstrous weaponry---and it has an unending hunger for death and destruction of those that it declares " bad guys "